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    I think that post goes beyond the pale as far as this forum is concerned………...

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    But Sandtown, if Ukraine gets no further assistance, it will lose and be turned into part of Russia.

    Then Poland and Romania will border Russia, so withdraw NATO support from them too?
    Poland already has a border with Russia (Kaliningrad). Under the Veterans for Peace resolution, Polish troops, being part of NATO, would not be allowed in Poland. It seems they passed a resolution without knowing anything about the situation.

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    Maybe all those criticisms/complaints levied by HR and Sandy are... just fluffing the sheets; immaterial, intended only to distract/derail. Wouldn't that be something?
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    No, the most interesting things about that photo are that it contains two fascist/Nazi symbols,

    and that the NYT conveniently left that fact out of the article. \

    I am a Times subscriber, but I do not trust them very much. Remember Judith Miller !!

    Be skeptical my friends.

    https://fair.org/home/action-alert-n...ze-in-ukraine/
    The reality is the Nazis borrowed the totenkopf from earlier military insignia. So, the question is, so what?
    without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    The reality is the Nazis borrowed the totenkopf from earlier military insignia. So, the question is, so what?
    Here's 6 units from all over the world with a death's head in current use as their badge. I could go on, but 6 is probably enough.

    Queen Elizabeth's Own Royal Lancers (17/21 Lancers) wear a death's head as their badge. [Question for the Brits: now that you've got King Charles, does the name of the regiment change to King Charles' Own?] Here's the current commanding officer:



    100 Squadron RAF (Slogan is Malay for "Never stir up a hornet's nest")



    493rd Fighter Squadron USAF (Grim Reapers)



    Varyag Battalion, Donetsk Peoples' Republic (Putin's lickspittle):



    101 Squadron, Israeli Air Force



    Kuperjanov Infantry Battalion, Estonia (raised 1918, slight hiatus 1940-1992, reactivated 1992):

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    I really don't think you know very much.
    How would you know?

    I’m sure Vets for Peace start out from the sweetest of intentions. But their public statements and policy prescriptions for Syria and Ukraine are shallow and misinformed, in both cases being (willfully?) ignorant about the malignant roles taken by Russia.

    But if it feels good for you to blame America for barrel bombs and chlorine gas in Syria and war crimes in Ukraine, it’s clear I nor anyone else can stop you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I think that post goes beyond the pale as far as this forum is concerned………...
    What post do you have in mind ?? Gonna cancel me, are ya ??
    Last edited by sandtown; 12-06-2022 at 01:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Likewise, you should be skeptical of your own links. Be a student on this thread, not just a teacher.
    That is good advice and we should all strive to follow it.

    I have indeed learned a good deal from other posters here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    The reality is the Nazis borrowed the totenkopf from earlier military insignia. So, the question is, so what?
    Some of us vets are not too wild about waving that symbol about . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    But if it feels good for you to blame America for barrel bombs and chlorine gas in Syria and war crimes in Ukraine, it’s clear I nor anyone else can stop you.
    So in Syria the US backed the supposed rebels against the regime, but many of them turned out to be Al Qaeda-istas. Our valiant alley the Kurds were fighting ISIS, but were as usual sold out to the Turks. ISIS would still control a huge chunk of Iraq and Syria were it not for the valiant assistance of Iran and the Sunni militias. The Assad regime is awful, but in part represents the Shia Alawites. ISIS vowed to kill them all, and may well have done so were it not for the Kurds.

    Meanwhile the ethnic/religious extremists in Israel and Saudi are dancing with glee.

    I am no expert on the region, but you don't know jack.
    Last edited by sandtown; 12-06-2022 at 01:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    The reality is the Nazis borrowed the totenkopf from earlier military insignia.
    You are wrong. That particular version of the SS-Totenkopfverbände is Nazi through and through.

    Are you really trying to deny that Ukr (not to mention Hungary, Poland, and a bit of Italy and Sweden) have a problem with ethnic nationalist extremism ??

    If you are, you must be asleep

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    The Russian offensive campaign assessment, December 5.
    https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ent-december-5

    Key inflections in ongoing military operations on December 5:

    • Russian forces continued to defend their positions along the Svatove-Kreminna line against Ukrainian attacks.[16]


    • Russian forces continued to make incremental gains around Bakhmut but have not yet surrounded the city, and conducted offensive operations in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area. Ukrainian sources claimed that small Russian assault groups of 15-20 personnel are attempting to penetrate Ukrainian lines.[17]


    • Russian occupation officials continued the forceful transfer of Ukrainian children from occupied territories in Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts to Russia under the guise that the children require special medical care.[18]


    • Russian forces shelled more than 20 settlements on the right (west) bank of the Dnipro River and continued to strike Kherson City.[19]


    • Russian senator Andrey Klishas of the ruling United Russia party proposed the Kremlin restrict the ability of Russians who fled the country to avoid mobilization to secure work upon returning to Russia.[20]


    • Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported that the Russian military, in concert with the Russian Internal Ministry, is taking steps to launch an electronic database by February 2023 to document the personal details of all servicemen and restrict their movement even when out of uniform.[21]

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    Wow! Sandtown replies to 5 posts, but still evades my question.

    Come on, sandy. Should NATO troops withdraw from all Russian borders to avoid provoking them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    You are wrong. That particular version of the SS-Totenkopfverbände is Nazi through and through.

    Are you really trying to deny that Ukr (not to mention Hungary, Poland, and a bit of Italy and Sweden) have a problem with ethnic nationalist extremism ??

    If you are, you must be asleep
    You still haven't answered the big question. How much territory should Ukraine cede to Russia in exchange for a ceasefire?
    without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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    Can we please stop responding to the Russian apologists? If minds have not been expanded after 100 pages of reasoned discussion then there is very low chance of somehow showing them the light with one more post.

    This used to be a great collection of the latest news from Ukraine, and has been drowned under a steaming pile. If one wants to discuss the mis-deeds of the US, perhaps one of the countless threads on that topic could be used instead of this one.

    Maybe we can restore this thread as a place to find updates and discussion of the Ukrainian defence against the invasion.

    I'll help.



    Russian bombers have been gathering at several airbases in preperation for another large strike against the civilian infrastructure of their neighbor. Somehow, somebody has managed to strike the air bases far behind the lines. It is probable that the ammunition stock was the primary target and was missed, but at least one bomber was damaged beyond being airworthy.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63857451

    Of course the strike did happen on Ukraine anyway, reportedly using 14 instead of the planned 20 aircraft.

    Ukraine claims they shot down 60 of the 70 missles fired. A huge success due almost entirely to the weapons systems recently delivered by allies. Civilian lives and infrastructure was saved. The first video of a German Gepard shooting down a kamakaze drone was released.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4dUTzTfikE

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    ^ Spoil sport.
    Some folks enjoy wrestling with pigs whilst p!!$!ng in the wind.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    In other news the US DoD is planning to increase 155mm artillery shell production to 20,000 a month by this spring. Production was at 7,000 a month. It's still a lot less than Ukraine is consuming, but the US is not the only supply source. It does present a problem for Putin, because it means as the war goes on Ukraine will be able to increase the tempo of it's artillery fire.

    Ignoring the trolls, a while back I posted that Putin had a sensible strategy, freeze Europe to weaken it's resolve while training up the new conscript army. Then go on the offensive again when the new troops are ready. However if Ukraine has a lot more artillery ammo when the new troops are ready it's a problem for the offensive? Thoughts on this? Russia is training a lot of troops, they have continued their mobilization and the total number conscripted is well over the 300,000 figure that they quoted to the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hunter View Post
    a while back I posted that Putin had a sensible strategy, freeze Europe to weaken it's resolve while training up the new conscript army. Then go on the offensive again when the new troops are ready. However if Ukraine has a lot more artillery ammo when the new troops are ready it's a problem for the offensive? Thoughts on this?
    I think that not giving Putin time to get organized and Europe and the US time to weaken their resolve has to be Ukraine's priority. A winter stalemate is good for Russia. I expect Ukraine will try a winter offensive for that reason. Maybe in Zapo, finally.

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    #7440: In WWI there was an artillery shell shortage in the beginning, until all the combatants ramped up. The production of shells grew to be truly staggering, even in Russia.

    Loving these deep Ukrainian strikes. They go to the core of the Russian lie about how their little incursion was going to plan. They are a manifestation of what BH Liddell Hart called the indirect approach. Keep the SOBs guessing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    You still haven't answered the big question. ?
    No, you answer my question first. Do you deny that Europe has a problem with extremist ethnic nationalism ??

    I should be clear that Russia also has a problem with ethnic nationalist extremism, as does the US with the Trumpistas.

    Why does that simple question get ducked so regularly ??
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    Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure and the war crimes that are uncovered every time Ukraine liberates an area have the effect to harden the resolve, at least in my part of Europe. The public pressure is for increasing aid to Ukraine, not withdrawing. I've no doubt that the taxpayers will be able to finance our industry to provide the armament Ukraine needs. The longer the war continues, the more Russia will be aware that they're in war with the combined might of western industry.
    /Erik

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    article yesterday talked about evidence of the Russians are still able to manufacture missiles. Either have another supplier of chips, or have a big stockpile.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Come on, sandy. Should NATO troops withdraw from all Russian borders to avoid provoking them?
    Who knows what a settlement might involve ?? But to lil me, I'd say that if NATO withdraws, then Russia should withdraw its forces from the border - hundreds of miles.

    And if it were up to me, which it is not, I would de-militarize the whole region.

    DMZ's have worked on the US-Canadian border for centuries - so why not elsewhere ??

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02...astern-europe/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Here's 6 units from all over the world with a death's head in current use as their badge. I could go on, but 6 is probably enough.

    Queen Elizabeth's Own Royal Lancers (
    I read a bit of that unit's history - imperial fascists they seem to be.

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    Ukrainian drones hitting airfields inside Russia.
    If Russia wins, there will be no Ukraine; if Ukraine wins, there will be a new Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Here's 6 units from all over the world with a death's head in current use as their badge. I could go on, but 6 is probably enough.

    Queen Elizabeth's Own Royal Lancers (17/21 Lancers) wear a death's head as their badge. [Question for the Brits: now that you've got King Charles, does the name of the regiment change to King Charles' Own?] Here's the current commanding officer:



    Probably not.
    On 5 April 2017, to mark her 70th anniversary as colonel-in-chief of The Royal Lancers and its predecessors, The Queen granted the regiment the honorific suffix "Queen Elizabeths' Own", to recognise their service to Queen Elizabeth II and Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother.[5]
    The Royal Lancers are an armoured cavalry regiment in 1 Armoured Infantry Brigade. Its famous skull and crossbones cap badge, referred to as The Motto, is one of the most recognisable in the British Army and represents its motto: ‘Death or Glory’.
    The history of the skull and cross bones:
    In 1759, Colonel Hale of the 47th Foot was sent back to Britain with the news of General James Wolfe’s death at the Battle of Quebec. As a reward, he was commissioned to raise the 18th Light Dragoons.
    In memory of Wolfe’s demise, the regiment's cap badge was a skull and crossbones, and its motto ‘Death or Glory’. In 1763, it was re-numbered 17th in the order of precedence.
    So, does someone want to figure out who is copying whom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Ukrainian drones hitting airfields inside Russia.
    Seems they hit an air base in Kursk.

    Russia's air defense network seems to be a little patchy, eh?
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    Stefan Korshak, working for the Kyiv Post, is also writing articles on Facebook every second day or so. Today's article was a reflection on yesterday's events. I'd link the whole article if I were able, but Google is also a useful tool. Some excerpts:
    I have a sneaking suspicion that yesterday, December 5 2022, will go down in history as a turning point in the Russo-Ukraine War, and more specifically a turning point pretty similar to September 15 1940 in the Battle of Britain.
    On Sep 15 1940 British pilots (along with not a small number of Polish, Czech, French, Canadian (eh?) and other allied volunteer pilots) shot down 56 incoming Germany aircraft, among them many He-111 bombers. (Pictured)

    Herr Goering and the German national leadership decided these losses were probably not sustainable because Germany wasn’t producing enough planes and pilots to make it up. That meant the German air force hadn’t a prayer in destroying the British air force, and THAT meant Germany had to think of a different way of winning World War Two, than invading Britain.
    December 5 in the skies over Ukraine may well have been one of those decisive moments in a war. The Russians, after waiting about two and half weeks, launched another wave of missiles at Ukraine’s energy grid. Reports say about 70-80 cruise missiles were fired.
    80% - 90% of those missiles were shot down by Ukrainian air defence. Total cost for the missiles would have been about half a billion USD, and the damage to Ukraine not very large. In the long run, Russia cannot sustain such attacks.
    On top of that you have the Ukrainian attacks on the strategic bomber air bases, which are diminishing Russia's nuclear deterrence capacity. If a war-torn country can attack Russia's nuclear bomber bases with improvised missiles, is Russia's nuclear deterrence capability really safe from China or the USA?
    It's questionable (according to Russian bloggers) if Russia can sustain the bomber fleet at dispersed bases. They don't have the personnel for that.
    By all reasons Russia should abandon their terror bombing strategy. It's unaffordable and of no military value. Russia is a very slow learner so they will probably continue until their nuclear capable missiles and strategic bombers are severely depleted.
    /Erik

    Added: ACB will probably link the article as usual when it's published on Medium
    Last edited by ERGR; 12-06-2022 at 02:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Maybe all those criticisms/complaints levied by HR and Sandy are... just fluffing the sheets; immaterial, intended only to distract/derail. Wouldn't that be something?
    Yeah for sure - none of you keyboard warriors is at all interested in hearing the point of view of at least a third of USAeans.

    Wow, there are really a lot of Rooskie Bots and Punin lovers out there !! (insert sarcasm thingy)

    And your solution is to attack characters and employ juvenile name calling to stifle debate.

    Takes me back to 2003 when your ilk did the same things to us war skeptics.

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    Kenneth Gregg is another person I'm following on Facebook. He's a Swedish speaking Finlander who's moved to Ukraine and nowadays works as an instructor for the Ukrainian Army after having spent time at the front. The UA considers him too old for frontline duty, but he's probably more valuable as an instructor anyway. Kenneth Gregg writes in Swedish (yet another reason to learn Swedish).
    Anyway, he reports that there's now an information black-out from the fronts. This usually means that something important is about to happen. When it starts, we can always trust un-disciplined Russian soldiers to spread information around to inform us about the doings of the Russian army.
    /Erik

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    No, you answer my question first. Do you deny that Europe has a problem with extremist ethnic nationalism ??

    I should be clear that Russia also has a problem with ethnic nationalist extremism, as does the US with the Trumpistas.

    Why does that simple question get ducked so regularly ??
    Why just Europe? Look at Israel, Saudi Arabia, North Korea...just to name a few. Now answer my question please.
    without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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    There are significant barriers to negotiations . . . it is not looking good.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/20...eid=55f70848ef

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    Oh please, if you really must wrestle the pig then go ahead. But please don't make me watch.
    I.e. please don't quote the troll.
    Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdB View Post
    Oh please, if you really must wrestle the pig then go ahead. But please don't make me watch.
    I.e. please don't quote the troll. Please.
    Are you saying that Gen Milley is a troll ?

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