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    I'd read in the morning that NRA claimed responsibility for Dugina's death, but all news on the matter seem to have vanished since FSB "found" the culprit. Since they insist that the woman belonged to the Azov batallion (even though the document doesn't pass basic checks, looks like they've just pointed to a random woman whose documents they've found left behind in Mariupol), it may be that we'll see more on the topic when orcs start the show trial farce of Azovstal defenders.

    At the same time, FSB officers are sent to post-KGB prisons by the dozens, under half made up charges relating to poor performance in first weeks of war.

    Dugin being first order celebrity and only second/third order cogwheel in kremlin's machine, he looks like a perfect target for a propaganda heavy false flag assassination. Even more so if he miraculously survives, losing his daughter.
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    A young Ukrainian woman with her child. From the occupied region, and she left documents in the hotel room……in Moscow…..that prove she’s Azov. If they were actually serious and being uniquely truthful, it’s still impossible to believe them. A spy good enough to plant a bomb in a protected car but so clumsy she travels with unnecessary evidence to leave in Moscow. It’s absurd.

    They got Putin, we had Trump. What comes from the mouthpieces of suchgovernment bears no relation to reality. It’s all agitprop. After all, what happens in Russia that he doesn’t approve of?
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    Two scenarios:

    Disaffected Russians, hoping to rattle Putin's golden cage, launched the attack to make him feel threatened.

    The FSB plants a bomb on the car, as revenge for deeply flawed guidance on an invasion that is so far, both unsuccessful and highly damaging to Russian forces.

    But. . .were they hoping to get Dugin?

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    On the other hand, let’s say she is the wife of an Azov battalion soldier. She’d certainly have reason to take measures and really, Russia plans to have its revenge? What have they been doing these past six months? Well, they added another cruiser to the fleet. Ukraine will pay the price in blood but in the meantime, watch this.

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    My post Jeff? Let’s try it this way then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ev8P2gnoQ
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    Tomorrow is Independence Day in Ukraine and six months after the start of the invasion.

    President Zelensky has ordered “no celebrations” because the Russians may “try to make a demonstration”.
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    I’ve been waiting to hear Vlad’s initial reaction to Dugina’s assassination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKybsX7K_kU
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    The bombing is alleged to the the work of Russian Partisans. If so the kickback in Russia seems to be consolidating.

    Former Russian MP Ilya Ponomarev alleges the explosion was the work of the National Republican Army, which he claims is working inside Russia and dedicated to overthrowing the Putin regime.

    Listen to his interview on Australian ABC Radio:

    Former Russian MP claims Russian partisans behind Moscow car bomb - ABC Radio National
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    So if the bombing is proven to be the work of partisans inside Russia, what are the chances that the woman they've accused will be released? JayInOz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    The bombing is alleged to the the work of Russian Partisans. If so the kickback in Russia seems to be consolidating.

    Former Russian MP Ilya Ponomarev alleges the explosion was the work of the National Republican Army, which he claims is working inside Russia and dedicated to overthrowing the Putin regime.

    Listen to his interview on Australian ABC Radio:

    Former Russian MP claims Russian partisans behind Moscow car bomb - ABC Radio National
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayInOz View Post
    So if the bombing is proven to be the work of partisans inside Russia, what are the chances that the woman they've accused will be released? JayInOz
    I thought she’d escaped them by crossing the border to Estonia. According to the Russians, that is. If indeed she was detained, there is little chance she will be released any time soon regardless of her guilt or innocence. As with Brittney Griner, she would become a pawn.
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    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-...tion/101262720


    DurandDurand, an expert in the 3D laser scanning of structures, had arrived in Ukraine’s second-largest city on a 17-day mission to document the destruction of culturally significant sites across the nation. an expert in the 3D laser scanning of structures, had arrived in Ukraine’s second-largest city on a 17-day mission to document the destruction of culturally significant sites across the nation.
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    Seems Rasputin Mk II has had a heart attack. Having your daughter blown up in lieu of yourself must be stressful.

    Or the hit man is coming around for another go.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ato-war-latest

    Ukraine: Horror as Dugin 'suffers heart attack' after Putin's 'revenge bomb' on ally
    VLADIMIR PUTIN'S close ally Alexander Dugin has suffered a heart attack following the bombing that killed his daughter.

    Mr Dugin is reportedly in hospital after the attack, which Russia has now blamed Ukraine for.

    Kremlin analyst Olga Lautman reported that Dugin had suffered a heart attack, quoting his close ally Sergei Markov.

    Mr Markov posted on his Telegram channel: "Poor Alexander Dugin. He is in the hospital now. Our huge condolences."

    Several reports have also suggested Putin carried out the plot.

    Russian expert Anders Aslund tweeted: "It appears most likely that Putin killed Darya Dugina. He has that habit.

    "The videos at her house were out. Alexander Dugin was supposed to be in the car. Why would Ukraine waste resources on such a target?"

    "Given Putin's fondness of false flag operations, it is most likely that he ordered Dugin to be blown up, making it look as done by the Ukrainians, while Dugin's daughter was blown up instead. More such murders are likely."
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    That's what I thought. Heart attack eh? He'll survive as long as Vlad thinks he can make some capital out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-...tion/101262720


    DurandDurand, an expert in the 3D laser scanning of structures, had arrived in Ukraine’s second-largest city on a 17-day mission to document the destruction of culturally significant sites across the nation. an expert in the 3D laser scanning of structures, had arrived in Ukraine’s second-largest city on a 17-day mission to document the destruction of culturally significant sites across the nation.

    Wow - what an amazing way to document a war.
    That 3D of the bridge is an amazing record.
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    There's a joke from Dublin; Q: How does a boy from the North Side propose marriage? A: Yer Wha!?


    I had a similar reaction to this;
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...dependence-day
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    Unfortunately, and inevitably no adequate reparations of any sort will ever be made, and very few Russian war criminals or their superiors will ever be held accountable.
    Even if, and it's unlikely, Russia collapses economically and half the population starves those really responsible will get off more or less scot free.
    Look at what happened to Japan post WW2. The civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki paid, but for political reasons most of those responsible for the atrocities, slave labour, medical experiments etc walked away, some into military science labs in allied countries.
    The omly way to get revenge will be a long campaign of individual consequences by non state actors.

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    HIMARS is a big relief for Ukrainian army:

    Back in April, they were complaining they had no long-range weapons. Now they have things like these HIMARS. (...) And what they've allowed the Ukrainians to do is knock out a lot of Russian ammunition depots. And there's a colonel I was talking to a few days ago, his name is Roman Kostenko, and he said the ammunition - that loss of ammunition is now forcing the Russians to be a lot more judicious in their targeting. And this is what he had to say.

    ROMAN KOSTENKO: (Through interpreter) There are some of our positions they aren't shelling at all because they are currently shelling priority targets. Earlier, they shelled along the entire front line. Now they shell in specific places.


    LANGFITT: And what this means (...) is the Ukrainians can move a lot more easily to set up new lines of attacks. So a few days back, I was driving on the road, and I come across a bunch of Ukrainian tanks, two mobile rocket launchers, and they were comfortably moving around to new positions. But attacking does require lots of heavy weapons, and the Ukrainians continue to say they need a lot more of them.
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    Reports here talk of Russia increasing the size of it's army. Consription in areas previously not effected?
    "Vladimir Putin has signed a decree to increase the size of Russia’s armed forces from 1.9 million to 2.04 million, as the war in Ukraine enters its seventh month with no signs of abating."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...forces-ukraine

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    ^ More fodder for Ukrainian cannons.
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    Russia sends her sons. Ukraine puts them in plastic bags and sends them home. JayInOz

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayInOz View Post
    Russia sends her sons. Ukraine puts them in plastic bags and sends them home. JayInOz
    I've seen some very graphic footage of what they look like when they are bagged and tagged. I envy them the job.
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    The war in Ukraine seems static right now, and don't generate spectacular news. It's still in the news every day in Sweden, but in the form of interviews and background articles. A couple of days ago there was an interview with one of the Swedish volunteers. Essentially all Swedish volunteers, and I think that goes for every nationality, have a solid military background. Initially, the volunteers had to work to gain confidence with their Ukrainian counterparts and show that they were not war tourists mainly occupied with updating their blogs. I guess those war tourists were there as well, but have now left or changed.

    The volunteers were initially organised in front line companies, fighting the Russians. They received a request from the Ukrainian high command to withdraw from the front and work as instructors instead. This once again show common sense from the Ukrainians. Experienced officers from other nations are better used in training Ukrainian army recruits than being tied up at the front. It's better that an experienced officer generates some ten competent Ukrainian soldiers than being one himself. Ukraine is in for the long haul.
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    While Putin is in charge he'll just throw men, and maybe eventually women, at Ukraine and likely Moldova and win by attrition unless their equipment supply runs out. That's what they did in WW2, and some of their soldiers reportedly didn't even have a gun which may or may not be true. None the less Russia is 'familiar' to mass losses, but not defeat. Russia is just too big a land mass with too many people to 'defeat'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    None the less Russia is 'familiar' to mass losses, but not defeat. Russia is just too big a land mass with too many people to 'defeat'.
    They've been defeated and will be defeated again.

    Dagestan, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, etc. are not ready to die for Holy Mother Russia. Depose the puppets and the people will tear down the statues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    While Putin is in charge he'll just throw men, and maybe eventually women, at Ukraine and likely Moldova and windy attrition unless their equipment supply runs out. That's what they did in WW2, and some of their soldiers reportedly didn't even have a gun which may or may not be true. None the less Russia is 'familiar' to mass losses, but not defeat. Russia is just too big a land mass with too many people to 'defeat'.
    Russia doesn’t really have so many people. About 143 million. Ukraine has 43 million or so, but far more Ukrainians want to fight for their country.

    Of that 143 million, 81%, call it 116 million, are ethnic Russians, and 19% are not. The make up of the Russian Army fighting in Ukraine seems a little different.
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    Russia has lost many wars, some of them with Sweden. Of the mer recent wars (not with us), Russia lost against Japan in 1905 and then lost WW1. The Soviet union was on the winning side in WW2, but they were not alone then. The Soviets lost in Afghanistan and lost the cold war. Russia usually lose wars but is never wiped out. They'll once again eventually lose in Ukraine but will not be wiped out; it's not in the interrest of anyone that 116 million Russians don't have their own state.
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    Interesting comparisons can be made between Russia and Australia as the GDP of both is approximately similar but as Russia's population is much bigger Russians on average are poorer than Australians.

    Country comparison Australia vs Russia 2022 | countryeconomy.com

    2021 GDP: Oz-
    $1,633,290M Russia- $1,775,548M

    GDP per capita Oz $63455 Russia $12,198

    GDP isn’t everything | The Strategist

    Russians are still much poorer than Australians—their purchasing power per person is US$29,600 compared with Australians' US$53,400.

    Lots of info

    Russian economy the same size as Australia - Google Search
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    Hmmm, what's the Russian spend on the military compared to ours?
    (Of course over the last 60 years ours has been largely wasted by military aquisition and political incompetence, and ideological pro US adventurism).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    While Putin is in charge he'll just throw men, and maybe eventually women, at Ukraine and likely Moldova and win by attrition unless their equipment supply runs out. That's what they did in WW2, and some of their soldiers reportedly didn't even have a gun which may or may not be true. None the less Russia is 'familiar' to mass losses, but not defeat. Russia is just too big a land mass with too many people to 'defeat'.
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    Russia's strength has never been its economy or military spending. It was always its ability to throw more cannon fodder at the enemy than anyone else except China.

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    Ukranian forces on the attack ….
    https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/08/2...troopers-flee/

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    As I said earlier, their pain threshold is pretty high.

    It's going to continue to be a grinder.

    Psy ops will play an important part in sapping the Russkie's will. Eventually Putin may find that while he has troops on the ground, they may indulge in tacit play-fighting to stay alive. Unfortunately for them, I don't think the Ukrainians will play along.
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