Ukraine

[skuthorp]

I doubt there's a politician alive that thinks in terms of 15 years, let alone 150. Same apples to most voters, 3 years maybe or the life of their loans. Some more lately maybe thinking of their children's future and what sort of world they will inherit.
We fool ourselves all the time that we have actual control of anything much.

[Nicholas Carey]

I doubt there's a politician alive that thinks in terms of 15 years, let alone 150. Same apples to most voters, 3 years maybe or the life of their loans. Some more lately maybe thinking of their children's future and what sort of world they will inherit.
We fool ourselves all the time that we have actual control of anything much.

Or publicly-traded corporations.

Hence The Clock of the Long Now, a project of Stewart Brand and other alumni of [iThe Whole Earth Catalog[/i]. Funded by Jeff Bezos. Brian Eno came up with chimes.

The Clock of the Long Now is designed to run accurately for 10,000 years and tick once a day. It is intended to remind people of The importance of long term thinking.

https://longnow.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now

[Johan R]

You did.

Which is why you responded to my post.

I responded to this comment:

You decry personal attacks...then turn around and call people here juvenile.

with:

People making personal attack comments ARE juvenile. It is an observation, not an attack.

And also replied to you comment:

Anyone who says that any support for Ukraine is a wish to prolong the war because of the cost...well...any response to them is not a 'personal attack.'

with :

No one here has said that. Lighten up

You proclaim I said that. You are a liar.

[Johan R]

[-We must get into the same subversive game as the Russcists do with their employed propagandists pretending to be Vadim and Johan R and many others.

You are also a liar who has been been asked repeatedly for your evidence for making such claims, which every time you have ignored. There was a lot in your opinion i agreed with until that point.

[lupussonic]

You bore everyone Johan.

[Johan R]

You bore everyone Johan.

Only boring people get bored.

If you think people making claims with no evidence is ok, says more about your values.

NOT about Ukraine.

[lupussonic]

There you go, boring me again.

Do you have a topic concerning the invasion of Ukraine you would like to discuss?

You can bleat like a child somewhere else if not.

[Johan R]

I haven't accused you of being a Russian propagandist.

I am not able to comprehend why this obscure Johan in Sweden repeats Putinist propaganda over and over again.

-We must get into the same subversive game as the Russcists do with their employed propagandists pretending to be Vadim and Johan R and many others.


Just putting that there for others edification that you lie, even if some find it a bore.

[Johan R]

There you go, boring me again.

Do you have a topic concerning the invasion of Ukraine you would like to discuss?

You can bleat like a child somewhere else if not.

I have read the ignore function is a wonderfull thing. I have been trying to discuss Ukraine repeatedly. If you and others are fine watching people post comments again and again, with no factual basis, then do not bleat, when it goes off topic.

[lupussonic]

Johan, you have lost either way.

If you are a Russian disinformation worker, you should have realised now that you are conversing with a total of around 20 people; and most of those are not your target as they are intelligent and robust in their opinions. There are far better platforms with far higher numbers of gullible people to work on.

If you are just a guy spendng his time on a chat forum trying to convince someone you are Swedish, but never discussing the topic at hand, that is nothing less than pathetic.

Please take stock of yourself, perhaps grow up a little, and add something interesting to this (or other) threads.

[Johan R]

Johan, you have lost either way.

If you are a Russian disinformation worker, you should have realised now that you are conversing with a total of around 20 people; and most of those are not your target as they are intelligent and robust in their opinions. There are far better platforms with far higher numbers of gullible people to work on.

BINGO! Im pleases me to see at least one person can see logic. Can you explain why others do not possess your sharp intellect?

If you are just a guy spendng his time on a chat forum trying to convince someone you are Swedish, but never discussing the topic at hand, that is nothing less than pathetic.

Try reading what has been posted before casting stones. Your personal observations are far from reality, but that is ok, it shows your own immature mind has not fully developed; give it time.

[George.]

These rusbots are pretty weak. You would think the Russians would fire them and just use ChatGPT. It would be a huge improvement, but they probably have no idea.

[Johan R]

Careful there.

Perhaps heed your own advice.

If you are going to lie that someone said something they did not, do not be surprised to be called a liar.

Attempting to attribute something you said, as something I said, is lying. Plain and simple.

Perhaps choose your own words more carefully. If you insist on trolling, use a baited hook at least. You are as transparent as glass.

[WszystekPoTrochu]

Leopard II:

Germany: 14
Spain: 14
Portugal: 4
Poland: 14
Finland: x?

UK: 14 Challenger II

USA: 30 Abrams eventually

300 needed, now.

Norway: 4-8 + undisclosed financing
Poland: 14 Leopards + 30 PT-91s + 16 T-72s = 60 tanks

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

A date… (the UKDJ is usually accurate about this sort of thing):

Delivery of tanks and support equipment, with training complete, by the end of March.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit...bnVjOdaWT0MD98

[gypsie]

End March, April, Is the spring thaw?

i wasn't as tuned into these matters this time last year. Was't it in the mud that Ukraine surged and Russia stumbled that time last year?

[gypsie]

Under the forum banner there's a drop down menu under 'Forum Actions' where you can, if you choose, select 'General Settings'.
On the left if you scroll down there is 'Edit ignore List'.
If you do choose to select that there's an empty cell into which you put a forumites handle. If you start the name it generates a list, say of all the Johan's on the forum for example and you could, if you wished, select Johan R for example.
If you do this most of the personal insults and abusive language you read will disappear...

If you must reply, please don't quote.

[Johan R]

Sandtown has stated that the USA is supporting a war of attrition. A proxy war. Fight them over there. Bleed Russia.

What does Sandtowns comment have to do with anything you said, that I said?

Now, your English is not great in the sentence above, and so it can be construed more than one way.

And if that is the case, why not ask for clarification? Instead you made your own interpretation, which is fine, what is not fine is to say "you said it", which clearly is a lie.

But, to call someone a liar...lighten up

.

I call BS and liars when i see it. You can live by your own low moral standards if you choose, no sweat, just do not complain when you get caught out.

You can apologise and let this thread get back to Ukraine.

[Johan R]

Relax, cupcake.

I am plenty relaxed, thank you, it is a Friday. You look uncomfortable up there flailing around on your own petard.

[LeeG]

Norway: 4-8 + undisclosed financing
Poland: 14 Leopards + 30 PT-91s + 16 T-72s = 60 tanks

I wonder if there is a larger number of armored fighting vehicles that can approximate the capability of main battle tanks? Thinking of six and eight wheeled vehicles with 25-50 mm cannons and missiles.

[Osborne Russell]

I wonder if there is a larger number of armored fighting vehicles that can meet the capability of main battle tanks?

Shibba shibba. On to victory . . . or defeat.

wHAT WOULD be victory, to you?

"These are the times that try men's souls." Thomas Paine, famous (in the USA) Englishman.

[WszystekPoTrochu]

If you must reply, please don't quote.

Agree. I did not programmaticaly ignore the previous alter ego and will not ignore the new one, but even if trolls convince no one, changing this thread from meat & potatoes to a watered down, salty broth significantly reduces thread's value and is therefore their success.

[birlinn]

From 'Trump has lost his marbles', and posted on Truth Social this am:
"FIRST COME THE TANKS, THEN COME THE NUKES. Get this crazy war stopped, NOW. So easy to do!"
The comment that followed on the original post sums it up for me.

[mizzenman]

I suspect we will not se a large offencive with the tanks before the ground has dried out completely, maybe june?

[gypsie]

From 'Trump has lost his marbles', and posted on Truth Social this am:
"FIRST COME THE TANKS, THEN COME THE NUKES. Get this crazy war stopped, NOW. So easy to do!"
The comment that followed on the original post sums it up for me.

Still ignoring how he tried to blackmail this country?

He didn't give any clues as to this 'easy' solution by any chance?
Must be a simpleton troll thing.

[heimlaga]

I am not able to comprehend why this obscure Johan in Sweden repeats Putinist propaganda over and over again.

-We must get into the same subversive game as the Russcists do with their employed propagandists pretending to be Vadim and Johan R and many others.


Just putting that there for others edification that you lie, even if some find it a bore.

A perfect illustration of a Putinist professional propagandist snaring himself step by step in his own net of lies and at the same rate loosing all credibility while being recognized for what he is. Glad you took the trouble to compile the illustration.

Stiring up **** and deranging discussions without adding any pretended "facts" is another typical strategy of those propagandists and now you start doing that too. Here we go!

[Canoez]

Certainly western tanks will likely change the game for armor-on-armor engagements. With the larger range of these tanks over their Russian counterparts this should lead to a more rapid attrition of Russian armor. The mobility will be helpful in allowing them to evade counter-battery fire from longer-range artillery.

While there are a few Russian tanks with comparable range, they haven't been fielded in large numbers, or utilized well from a tactical perspective.

[Osborne Russell]

Not a technical question
A moral question

[Johan R]

...........

Editing posts to paint yourself in a good light. Why would you do that if you was an honest person? This is what you said, again.

"I am not able to comprehend why this obscure Johan in Sweden repeats Putinist propaganda over and over again"

While at the same time, you are telling me and others....

"Jag har inte anklagat dig för att vara rysk propagandist" in English "I haven't accused you of being a Russian propagandist"

But you have....."..Johan in Sweden repeats Putinist propaganda over and over again"

But you still have not shown any "propaganda" despite your instance i have repeated it over and over, neither has anyone else.

So you are a liar. Everyone can see what you wrote. They are your words. You see things that are not there, like Twodot.

[sandtown]

Still ignoring how he tried to blackmail this country? .

. . . on the Drumph message today about the war.

Yes, one has to admire Zelensky for standing up to Trump's extortion attempt. The Z man stood up to it in the face of enormous pressure.

On the other hand that lying sack of merde Trump is not wrong all the time (his re-boot of NAFTA was an improvement).

The war does indeed need to stop.

[Johan R]

While there are a few Russian tanks with comparable range, they haven't been fielded in large numbers, or utilized well from a tactical perspective.

All very well having tanks that can travel 500km, but without the logistics to keep them moving, pretty meaningless. Look at the convey stuck beyond Kyiv last year. Sitting ducks.

[sandtown]

Sandtown has stated that the USA is supporting a war of attrition. A proxy war. Fight them over there. Bleed Russia.

It is stated by more than just me - in fact it is common knowledge.

the always charming Ollie North

“Those people (Nicaraguan Contras) were willing, as the Ukrainian people are, to use their blood and our bullets.” As a bonus, most of the money “is spent here in the United States” on weapons contractors, North stressed.

[Osborne Russell]

An anology to the past . . . may be apposite . . . or not.

Depends, what past; in what respect.

[LeeG]

It is stated by more than just me - in fact it is common knowledge.

the always charming Ollie North

“Those people (Nicaraguan Contras) were willing, as the Ukrainian people are, to use their blood and our bullets.” As a bonus, most of the money “is spent here in the United States” on weapons contractors, North stressed.

“as a bonus” the MIC has even more money flowing into it for Act III. No bake sales for the Air Force no siree.

[gypsie]

On the other hand that lying sack of merde Trump is not wrong all the time (his re-boot of NAFTA was an improvement).

The war does indeed need to stop.

Did you catch how he proposes to do it? Being a potential leader of the free world with experience wielding the accompanying resources an all. He must have a plan.

Or are we just playing a game of 'State the frikkin obvious'?