Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 35 of 39

Thread: The Russian connection

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Question The Russian connection

    Anyone remember that one?

    The one that was championed for years by the Democratic party and the campaign of Hillary Clinton.

    The US news media seems to be rather quiet about the matter now.

    The Department of Justice charged (at the start of this month) Igor Danchenko, 43, with lying to the FBI.


    He was detained as part of an inquiry into the origins of baseless claims that Mr Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.


    The so-called Steele Dossier was used by the FBI to obtain surveillance warrants on a top Trump aide.


    The document was held up by Democrats to paint Mr Trump as a Russian puppet, a narrative amplified in a feedback loop by most US media for much of the president's four years in office.


    . . .

    Mr Danchenko worked with ex-British spy Christopher Steele on the dossier.
    . . .



    Mr Steele was hired to conduct the research through a law firm on behalf of Mr Trump's political opponents, including the campaign of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic candidate in the 2016 election.



    One can read the whole BBC news report here https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59168626


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Adopting the shotgun approach for your return, eh, RP?
    No shotgun, I don't have a shotgun, nor do I have a licence. *
    Just asking questions, raising topics for discussions.
    Would you prefer I post on mundane topics.

    * I wish I had one to deal with the green vervet monkeys destroying my roof.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Isle of Mull, Scotland
    Posts
    10,212

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    No shotgun, I don't have a shotgun, nor do I have a licence. *
    Just asking questions, raising topics for discussions.
    Otherwise known as stirring it or trolling.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Deepest Darkest Wales
    Posts
    25,194

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    And there's a couple of year's worth of Daily Wail to work through.
    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Valley of the Sun
    Posts
    119,262

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    The US news media seems to be rather quiet about the matter now.
    it's a five year old story, we've moved on
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Albuquerque, NM
    Posts
    31,288

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    < yawn >
    Gerard>
    Albuquerque, NM

    Next election, vote against EVERY Republican, for EVERY office, at EVERY level. Be patriotic, save the country.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    it's a five year old story, we've moved on
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    it's a five year old story, we've moved on
    Apparently the Department of Justice has not 'moved on' and is continuing to pursue it.

    Strange how the 'media' in the USA once wildly and widely championing the matter as being the solid truth and absolute fact now appears not to be interested.
    Hmm, I wonder why?

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Cantão - Brazil
    Posts
    16,918

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    green vervet monkeys destroying my roof
    Why you got African monkeys in the Caribbean?

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    First sentence: You forgot to put in a smiley so we know that you are not so serious and un-humorous that you feel the need to state the obvious.

    Second sentence: Yes, you are doing that, but the rate at which you are doing that is so fast that it appears that you are trolling the Forumites with right-wing talking points. You wouldn't do that, would you?

    Third sentence: You forgot the question mark at the end of the sentence, and no, I would like you to post topics that you will engage in further conversation about without resorting to sophistry and/or deflection to "whataboutisms".

    Welcome back, but play nice, OK?
    I note that there are no emoticons in your post.

    Re your points:

    1. Sincere apologies for not putting emoticons in my post (although I did place one at the end of the asterisked remark. I was stating a fact and am being serious. I did not realise that it was now compulsory to put emoticons in my posts.

    2. I post on topics that I am interested in. Just catching up for lost time. Is that not allowed? Apologies, I will endeavour to type and post slower to allow those 'Forumites' that are unable to read quickly can catch up.

    3. Apologies for not having 'perfect' punctuation. I did not realise that it was now a compulsory forum requirement. Plus I see you would like (Is this a Woodenboat directive?) posts 'without resorting to sophistry and/or deflection to "whataboutisms" '. I have no intention of deceiving anyone. Does the 'sophistry and/or deflection' comment to apply to all other forumites or just me?

    Apologies for any imperfect
    grammar.

    Last edited by Rum_Pirate; 11-25-2021 at 11:44 AM.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Posts
    28,934

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Gobbledygook...

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Longino View Post
    Gobbledygook...
    Oh wow, you have learnt to type a a long word. Congratulations.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Central Coast, Ca
    Posts
    35,365

    Default Re: The Russian connection


  13. #13
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Rum Pirate:

    1.) I post emoticons or an <inflection comment> in my posts where I feel that they are warranted or needed.
    2.) If your posting that you do not own a shotgun was a serious comment, you seem to be a bit restricted in your understanding of the use of similes in conversation to describe a topic. You might want to try to rectify that.
    3.) Your interests seem to run almost exclusively to topics that you know will get resistance in this Forum. I do not believe that this is accidental, nor that your interests are that limited.
    4.) I expect you to do your best to be an engaging, friendly and non-disruptive contributor to this Forum. Do the best that you can, eh? As for what the other Forumites do or do not, when I claimed that my behaviour was acceptable because others were doing it, my mother used to tell me, "If your playmates jump off a bridge and hurt themselves, will you do that, too?" My Mom was a smart woman.
    5.) I expect that you will rebut this posting in a manner designed to provoke and deflect rather than discuss (as you purport to be interested in), and if you don't and engage with me in a friendly, serious manner, well God bless you and I will re-engage. If you live up to my expectations, then my response will not be posted, but I will disengage from you. I realize that the threat of my disengagement is pretty thin soup, but the ability to engage about boats, living in the Caribbean archipelago, family, and other pleasant topics with someone from afar who has experiences in all of those topics would, I hope, hold some attraction. Your call...
    You post ignored others and thus appeared to be a direct personal attack on me.

    I politely responded to explain my position, which included two apologies.

    Will you be dressing others on the forum as you have addressed me and my posting?

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Why you got African monkeys in the Caribbean?
    They were originally imported as 'gentleman's' pets.

    Then they went wild and bred like 'rabbits'.

    Due to isolation breeding they are a desired base for research. However this upsets PETA etc.

    They peel the asphalt shingle flaps off the roof and throw them like frisbees at the dogs.

    I am now faced with a US$25,000.00 repair to the roof due to leaks.

    Hence my desire for a shotgun (But I will not do that).

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    I ignored others because I was talking to you, and you alone, RP. No personal attack, just asking why you are so prolific at posting contentious subjects all of a sudden. Why are you so combative?
    You singled me out and criticised me alone.

    In response, I politely explained my self.

    If you wanted to talk to me, and me alone, you could have sent me a PM.

    Surely that would have been more appropriate and polite?


    Edit: To change last punctuation to a question mark.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    29,958

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Ironic timing, TG and all.

    Makes ya wonder.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    St. Paul, MN, USA
    Posts
    62,262

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Mr Steele's report was always was known to include solid fact, somewhat less well-supported ideas, hearsay, and guesses; it was never claimed to be anything else. If you think that this in any way casts more doubt on it, you're - well - to be very polite, mistaken.
    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
    for nature cannot be fooled."

    Richard Feynman

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pittsburgh, Pa.
    Posts
    4,259

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Of course the verity of what was in the dossier does nothing to remove the fact that the Russians helped Trump gain office

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...al-of-america/
    If he ever drinks the brew of 10 tanna leaves, he will become a monster the likes of which the world has never seen



  19. #19
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    2 states: NJ and confusion
    Posts
    44,036

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    The very first sentence of the Mueller report was quite telling. Anyone interested, I'm sure, can look it up.
    "Banning books and not guns seems backwards. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Sep 1999
    Location
    Norwalk, Ohio
    Posts
    34,694

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    .
    By Heather Cox Richardson: Letters from an American:

    An investigation by Jordan Liles of Snopes.com shows that foreign social media accounts are magnifying right-wing voices. In the wake of the Rittenhouse acquittal, for example, foreign accounts posing as Americans appeared to celebrate the jury’s decision.

    Frank Figliuzzi, the former assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI, tweeted that of 32,315 pro-Rittenhouse hashtag tweets from November 19–20, 29,609 had disabled geolocation. Of them, 17,701 were listed as “foreign,” and most of those were in Russia, China, and the EU.
    "foreign accounts posing as Americans"

    An update by Jordan Liles: "As of Nov. 20, the foreign-run Facebook accounts mentioned in this story appeared to have been removed by Facebook in the hours after our reporting was published."
    "I'll tell you why [religion's] not a scam. In my opinion, all right? Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that."Bill O'Reilly

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    The very first sentence of the Mueller report was quite telling. Anyone interested, I'm sure, can look it up.
    Towhich line do you refer?

    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...Mueller-Report

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Frankfort, MI
    Posts
    10,888

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post

    I am now faced with a US$25,000.00 repair to the roof due to leaks.
    …………….


    Jeff C

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by leikec View Post
    …………….


    Jeff C

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Central Coast, Ca
    Posts
    35,365

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    They were originally imported as 'gentleman's' pets.

    Then they went wild and bred like 'rabbits'.

    Due to isolation breeding they are a desired base for research. However this upsets PETA etc.

    They peel the asphalt shingle flaps off the roof and throw them like frisbees at the dogs.

    I am now faced with a US$25,000.00 repair to the roof due to leaks.

    Hence my desire for a shotgun (But I will not do that).
    You could always sue them

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Valley of the Sun
    Posts
    119,262

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    <snort>
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

  26. #26
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Isle of Mull, Scotland
    Posts
    10,212

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Could be the leaks from the roof dripping on Rummy's head that explains things.
    Thought there wasn't much rain in Kitts?
    Must be the monkeys tiddling then. :-)

  27. #27
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,792

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Probably rains more in your area.
    Which undoubtedly provides you with extensive personal experience that explains what you are doing.

    have a great day. ��

  28. #28
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia
    Posts
    13,255

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    They were originally imported as 'gentleman's' pets.

    Then they went wild and bred like 'rabbits'.

    Due to isolation breeding they are a desired base for research. However this upsets PETA etc.

    They peel the asphalt shingle flaps off the roof and throw them like frisbees at the dogs.

    I am now faced with a US$25,000.00 repair to the roof due to leaks.

    Hence my desire for a shotgun (But I will not do that).
    Now this is interesting! Do you have photos?

    No monkeys here….but we do have these god awful black vultures. They attack vehicles at the boat ramps on the river.

    They like to rip the rubber off window seals and windshield wipers.
    Skip

    ---This post is delivered with righteous passion and with a solemn southern directness --
    ...........fighting against the deliberate polarization of politics...

  29. #29
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    the hills
    Posts
    67,918

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    A variation on “Do you think…”
    RP : “ I just wanted to put it out for discussion”.

  30. #30
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Isle of Mull, Scotland
    Posts
    10,212

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Probably rains more in your area.
    Which undoubtedly provides you with extensive personal experience that explains what you are doing.

    have a great day. ��
    Agreed it rains plenty (although probably snow tomorrow)
    Could be why we don't have tacky cheap roofs that leak... :-)
    That quote sounds ridiculous- you would get a decent slated roof for a third of that around here.

  31. #31
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Central Coast, Ca
    Posts
    35,365

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    With the added benefit of the slate getting hot enough to discourage those pesky monkeys.
    (this conversation reminds me of a Monty Python skit)

  32. #32
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    16,800

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    The very first sentence of the Mueller report was quite telling. Anyone interested, I'm sure, can look it up.

    This?

    The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
    You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

  33. #33
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Hills of Vermont, USA
    Posts
    45,516

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    Agreed it rains plenty (although probably snow tomorrow)
    Could be why we don't have tacky cheap roofs that leak... :-)
    That quote sounds ridiculous- you would get a decent slated roof for a third of that around here.
    1) RP has to pay huge duties on materials. 2) roof prices are based on square footage and complexity. In Vermont, the average roof replacement (asphalt shingles) is $12K US - with no repairs and on a standard roof with no gables or complexity. A big house can easily cost 30K. Supply shortages have more than doubled the cost of shingles in the last 12-18 months. A slate roof here would be quadruple the cost of asphalt - assuming you could find someone who knows how to do a slate roof.

    So, IMO, 25K is not unexpected where he is & with today's costs.

    Now - acuity suffering from drips is another thing!
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

  34. #34
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    victoria, australia. (1 address now)
    Posts
    71,347

    Default Re: The Russian connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    This?

    The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
    The biter bit….
    reference Guatamala, The United Fruit Company, Bananas, the CIA and a civil war. And Guatamala hasn't recovered yet.
    What comes around etc……….

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •