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    Question Another case to get your knickers in a twist

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...f-defense-case

    A Black Man Charged With Murder Said He Shot At A Group Of White Teens in Self-Defense

    Around 1 a.m. on June 14, 2020, 21-year-old Marc Wilson, who is Black, and his 21-year-old girlfriend, Emma Rigdon, who is white, left a Taco Bell in Statesboro, Georgia.
    At a stoplight, they pulled up next to a pickup truck.
    Wilsonís lawyers say that at least one of the white teenagers inside the truck shouted the n-word and ďyour lives donít matter.Ē

    Wilson later told police that the teenagers in the pickup truck swerved in front of him, tried to knock his sedan off the highway, and threw an object that impacted the car with a loud sound that made him think they might be shooting at him.

    Wilson pulled out a gun and fired out his window at the truck.

    The bullet struck and killed 17-year-old Haley Hutcheson, who was sitting in the pickupís backseat.



    Wilsonís case, which is scheduled to go to trial in early 2022, presents a similar legal defense: A young person says he fired his gun at a group that threatened his safety.
    Did anyone one hit him (e.g. with a skateboard)
    Did anyone point a gun at him?
    Is this he said they said issue? (I wish lie detector tests were accurate and admissible in court)

    Discuss, bye.

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    Hey, welcome back! You sure jumped in with both feet.
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    G'day RP. At least he had a witness, the girlfriend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Discuss, bye.
    race baiting troll
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    Tick,tock.

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    Default Re: Another case to get your knickers in a twist

    Today, it's only "self defense" if a white guy shoots at black people or their sympathizers.

    But more seriously, there is entirely too much well armed "self defense" going on.

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    Even if the attack happened, where there was an attempt to run him off the road, he didn’t hit the driver, but a passenger in the back seat. Not justifiable.

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    Welcome back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
    Tick,tock.
    won’t be long

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    I'd say welcome back, but is he really? He said "discuss, bye" after all. Personally, I'd rather he stuck around.

    One could argue that, if the truck tried to run him off the road, and that if his shot made the truck stop doing that, then it was successful self defense. You then make the case that it was the truck driver who endangered the lives of his passengers & he's at fault.

    Of course that'd only happen if the races were reversed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I'd say welcome back, but is he really? He said "discuss, bye" after all. Personally, I'd rather he stuck around.

    One could argue that, if the truck tried to run him off the road, and that if his shot made the truck stop doing that, then it was successful self defense. You then make the case that it was the truck driver who endangered the lives of his passengers & he's at fault.

    Of course that'd only happen if the races were reversed...
    I'm leaving you chaps to discuss the matter between yourselves, seeing how knowledgeable you are about the facts regarding the RH incident and case.

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    lame

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    lame
    Your opinion and you are entitled to it.



    PS Does not necessarily mean that it is true and correct.

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    inane

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    Default Re: Another case to get your knickers in a twist

    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    inane
    Again, your opinion and you are entitled to it.



    PS Does not necessarily mean that it is true and correct.

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    childish

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    childish
    Once again, your opinion and you are entitled to it.



    PS Does not necessarily mean that it is true and correct.

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    tedious

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    Yep, I agree your responses are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I'd say welcome back, but is he really? He said "discuss, bye" after all. Personally, I'd rather he stuck around.

    One could argue that, if the truck tried to run him off the road, and that if his shot made the truck stop doing that, then it was successful self defense. You then make the case that it was the truck driver who endangered the lives of his passengers & he's at fault.

    Of course that'd only happen if the races were reversed...
    Your error, of course, is in saying “the truck tries to run him off the road”. It was, in fact, the driver who used a truck to try to drive him off the road. Whether successful in stopping the attempt or not doesn’t matter because the shooter struck and killed a non-involved person. If Rittenhouse had shot a person who had not directly attacked him, the same would apply and he would, rightly, have been charged with several offences, non of which could use self defence law as a defence.
    In this case, the only person who the shooter could have legally shot (assuming the story is factual), is the driver.

    The driver will undoubtably also face charges in this situation.

    Race has nothing to do with it.

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    had almost forgotten how much of a dou. . . .


    oh hi rummy, didn't see you standing there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decourcy View Post
    Your error, of course, is in saying “the truck tries to run him off the road”. It was, in fact, the driver who used a truck to try to drive him off the road. Whether successful in stopping the attempt or not doesn’t matter because the shooter struck and killed a non-involved person. If Rittenhouse had shot a person who had not directly attacked him, the same would apply and he would, rightly, have been charged with several offences, non of which could use self defence law as a defence.
    In this case, the only person who the shooter could have legally shot (assuming the story is factual), is the driver.

    The driver will undoubtably also face charges in this situation.

    Race has nothing to do with it.
    Hey - I did say "one could argue that" - not that I thought it was the case. The shooter probably will (& probably should) go up for at least manslaughter - maybe more. The driver of the truck should be up on some charges as well.

    IMO, the real lesson from this is that guns for self-defense (from humans) are 99% of the time, a really stupid idea - as an innocent bystander being hurt is a likely outcome.

    As far as race goes, we'll see how it plays out. People of color are often treated very differently here in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    had almost forgotten how much of a dou. . . .


    oh hi rummy, didn't see you standing there
    Sorry to interrupt, please complete your statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Hey - I did say "one could argue that" - not that I thought it was the case. The shooter probably will (& probably should) go up for at least manslaughter - maybe more. The driver of the truck should be up on some charges as well.

    IMO, the real lesson from this is that guns for self-defense (from humans) are 99% of the time, a really stupid idea - as an innocent bystander being hurt is a likely outcome.

    As far as race goes, we'll see how it plays out. People of color are often treated very differently here in the US.
    True. I should have said “the error” rather than “your error”.

    The librarian story shows what can happen with armed escalation as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decourcy View Post
    The librarian story shows what can happen with armed escalation as well
    Yes, I suppose that there is no better way of increasing your sense of entitlement than having a gun in your hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Yes, I suppose that there is no better way of increasing your sense of entitlement than having a gun in your hand.
    No, that sense comes first. The librarian didn’t need a gun to feel like she owned the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post

    Is this he said they said issue? (I wish lie detector tests were accurate and admissible in court)
    A stipulated polygraph is admissible in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domesticated_Mr. Know It All View Post
    A stipulated polygraph is admissible in court.
    Don't ask me how I know this.
    I hope they put it to good use.

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    Just stacking all Rummy's posts together.

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    You must be bored out of your skull if you have the time to 'collate' all my posts together.

    Cold weather forecast (snow?) this weekend and is cabin fever setting in?

    Thanks anyway.

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    Just keeping you top of the charts... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    Just keeping you top of the charts... :-)
    Thanks.

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