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    Default Hartley ts16 across the Atlantic.

    And here was me thinking it would be daring to take my ts16 over the bar and 15 miles up the coast to Southport.
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    Default Re: Hartley ts16 across the Atlantic.

    I'm enquiring about page 67.
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    Wow Gary, thanks for posting this. I’d heard of the voyage but hadn’t ever seen this article.

    I had read a bit about it on a site somewhere quite a while ago when I went looking for information on a couple that I’d met in Darwin and again up in Indonesia who’d sailed their TS16 from Perth (they’d intended to cruise up the coast a bit and kinda just kept on going) - the site had information on a whole bunch of amazing TS16 voyages including these guys. If I can find it again I’ll drop a link to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Wow Gary, thanks for posting this. I’d heard of the voyage but hadn’t ever seen this article.

    I had read a bit about it on a site somewhere quite a while ago when I went looking for information on a couple that I’d met in Darwin and again up in Indonesia who’d sailed their TS16 from Perth (they’d intended to cruise up the coast a bit and kinda just kept on going) - the site had information on a whole bunch of amazing TS16 voyages including these guys. If I can find it again I’ll drop a link to you.
    Please do Greg.
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    Default Re: Hartley ts16 across the Atlantic.

    Thanks for posting the article. An article to remember. Curious what page 67 may bring. C.

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    I'm guessing that it was modified in various ways, perhaps including a fixed keel with extra ballast?

    Sorry I have to ask but the pic is too low res for these old eyes to read :-0


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitziel View Post
    I'm guessing that it was modified in various ways, perhaps including a fixed keel with extra ballast?

    Sorry I have to ask but the pic is too low res for these old eyes to read :-0


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    Yeah fixed keel with about 380 LBS of lead and substantial reinforcing of the hull and deck.
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    Default Re: Hartley ts16 across the Atlantic.

    I have two more ts16 articles i can post if people are interested. Off topic but relevant to TS16s.
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    Hurricane Andrew? in a ts16? WOW! I hadn't heard about this journey before. Thanks for posting it and good luck finding pg 67. I'm ready for it!

    And please do add those other two articles. Definitely interested!

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    Default Re: Hartley ts16 across the Atlantic.

    Page 67 has been found...apparently.
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    This is worth de-lurking to say thank you for posting this article.

    I have a fascination with small boats sailing across oceans and fell in love with plywood Hartleys back in the early '90s when I spent a fair bit of time falling out of a friend's TS16 when I was still living in Australia. This ticks both boxes. I've just bought a set of TS18 plans and was wondering whether I could beef that up to do offshore passages and this kind of answers that.

    Interesting thing is that the article is from 1988 and the really big Cat 5 Hurricane Andrew was 1992 so there must been an earlier one as well, still massively impressive for a TS16 to survive it though.
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    It does look quite low in the water and the provision lists and fuel are quite hefty..
    I do wonder a bit about the fascination of crossing big bits of sea in very small boats... It is slightly more comfortable in a bit bigger ones. The fame is not long lived?
    OK in this case some TS16 owners are keen, But? The boat souds quite modified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew2 View Post
    It does look quite low in the water and the provision lists and fuel are quite hefty..
    I do wonder a bit about the fascination of crossing big bits of sea in very small boats... It is slightly more comfortable in a bit bigger ones. The fame is not long lived?
    OK in this case some TS16 owners are keen, But? The boat souds quite modified.
    I have absolutely no desire to emulate the feat in any way. The boat was structurally reinforced and it did have a fixed keel.
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    Having owned a Hartley 14 I was always amazed by its ability to carry weight but looking at the store list of supplies carried by these guys I’m almost tempted to call it fud

    Their water and fuel alone is up around 550 kilos with other provisions easily doubling that and just where does one store 9 slabs of beer in a TS 16.
    Realy the provisions and supply list is more in line with a 35 footer, and who in the world carries 3 Sextants.

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    Being fascinated doesn't mean I have to do it luckily. I'll happily read about people braver/crazier than me getting out and doing it but stay to waters I'm happier in. More traditional UK offshore jaunts (Channel, North Sea, Irish Sea) are enough for a small boat sailor to want to do imo.
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    Sextants? Well it's Irish to be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    Having owned a Hartley 14 I was always amazed by its ability to carry weight but looking at the store list of supplies carried by these guys I’m almost tempted to call it fud

    Their water and fuel alone is up around 550 kilos with other provisions easily doubling that and just where does one store 9 slabs of beer in a TS 16.
    Realy the provisions and supply list is more in line with a 35 footer, and who in the world carries 3 Sextants.
    yea...not to mention the spare man

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Yeah fixed keel with about 380 LBS of lead and substantial reinforcing of the hull and deck.
    Spoil sport alert: Well they are very brave - if that's the right word - but it's not really a ts16 then that crossed the Atlantic :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitziel View Post
    Spoil sport alert: Well they are very brave - if that's the right word - but it's not really a ts16 then that crossed the Atlantic :-)

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    There are fibreglass TS16s. The shape of the hull wasn't changed, nor was the cabin or rig. TS16 rules only apply to racing boats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    There are fibreglass TS16s. The shape of the hull wasn't changed, nor was the cabin or rig. TS16 rules only apply to racing boats.
    True, but the TS bit stands for trailer sailer :-)

    Still, I suppose some small keel boats can be trailered; just not so easy to launch & retrieve. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitziel View Post
    True, but the TS bit stands for trailer sailer :-)

    Still, I suppose some small keel boats can be trailered; just not so easy to launch & retrieve. Cheers

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    Default Re: Hartley ts16 across the Atlantic.

    Okay I'm having a problem with the next page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Okay I'm having a problem with the next page.
    I'll try again.
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    With luck, I have them in the right order.
    I have another article about a TS16 cruise to Zoe Bay on Hinchinbrook Island in Queensland. I'll see if I can find it but it might be a day or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Ah, I understand.
    Of course you do; sorry if it seemed I was implying otherwise.

    I was just lazily querying whether it is right to regard such a modified boat as being a ts16 which crossed the Atlantic.

    But never mind - moot point it is.

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    16ft. boat, 2 guys. 450 cans of food, 6 cases of beer, etc. . OK, that was 1988, and what's done is done, but my third thought -today- is: What happens to all the litter and trash ocean crossers produce en route? Is there an ocean-crosser code of honour to "Take Your Litter Home!". -I doubt it, and that sours my enthusiasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    16ft. boat, 2 guys. 450 cans of food, 6 cases of beer, etc. . OK, that was 1988, and what's done is done, but my third thought -today- is: What happens to all the litter and trash ocean crossers produce en route? Is there an ocean-crosser code of honour to "Take Your Litter Home!". -I doubt it, and that sours my enthusiasm.

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    Thanks for these article's Gary!

    Barrie Heath's article is just what I need right now as I'm finishing the rigging and such. Great reference!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishoutaFlorida View Post
    Thanks for these article's Gary!

    Barrie Heath's article is just what I need right now as I'm finishing the rigging and such. Great reference!
    Yeah there's some good information there that i will be making use of as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    16ft. boat, 2 guys. 450 cans of food, 6 cases of beer, etc. . OK, that was 1988, and what's done is done, but my third thought -today- is: What happens to all the litter and trash ocean crossers produce en route? Is there an ocean-crosser code of honour to "Take Your Litter Home!". -I doubt it, and that sours my enthusiasm.
    Well, one can hope (probably in vain), that cans were smashed and stuck back where they were when full (now taking up a fraction of the space). But, if it makes you feel any better (it won't) dissolved CO2 and plastic (of the micro sort) are a much bigger problem for the oceans than any number of aluminum cans...
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    This is a fantastic thread. Thanks for posting.

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    My pleasure.
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