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    Mike,
    Despite Tesla’s domination of the electrification process and their leadership at every turn in the sector, Musk engages in the sale of vapor ware a good example being the autonomous package that everyone pays 10K for but no one gets as a full feature set…….and may never get. There are other examples of questionable ethics on the part of his companies.

    But there’s no denying on my part in any case, that his company has also changed the landscape in positive ways nor any doubt that Tesla is the market leader. Regardless, he’s also a carnival barker so I think one is thrust into the position of having to separate the man and his accomplishments. Sort of like Henry Ford, the anti-Semite who helped make it possible for the rest of us to own cars.

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    i wonder if the tesla bulls here might compare and contrast tesla's valuation and price earnings potential to that of more traditional care makers such as toyota for instance who sold ten million vehicles last year in a down vehicle market during the pandemic, yet has a market valuation lower than tesla, and aprice earnings ratio more than ten times less that of tesla

    where is the perceived value coming from in tesla? and how long do they have before their price earnings ratio needs to reflect some semblance of reality, or is there a tesla stock price bubble?

    this isn't an attack on tesla or their vehicles, this is me trying to gain an understanding of tsla as an investment? are you recommending people buy tsla at its current valuation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    Mike,
    Despite Tesla’s domination of the electrification process and their leadership at every turn in the sector, Musk engages in the sale of vapor ware a good example being the autonomous package that everyone pays 10K for but no one gets as a full feature set…….and may never get. There are other examples of questionable ethics on the part of his companies.

    But there’s no denying on my part in any case, that his company has also changed the landscape in positive ways nor any doubt that Tesla is the market leader. Regardless, he’s also a carnival barker so I think one is thrust into the position of having to separate the man and his accomplishments. Sort of like Henry Ford, the anti-Semite who helped make it possible for the rest of us to own cars.

    Accomplishments and character are two different things.
    WTF???? Are you trying to apply reason in the Musk/Tesla thread? Wassamatterwidyou?

    Oh - right - I agree. It is fun seeing someone ringing a bell & watching HC salivate though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Huh, you agree with reason when the right people say it? Perfect for a Tesla thread.

    oh, and Tesla ain’t the market leader.
    You read it too soon - I added a line.
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    It’s interesting that both libs and RWW’s hate Tesla. Really explains a lot.
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    McMike, your enthusiasm makes some of the put contracts more appealing. I wouldn't celebrate those unrealized gains just yet.

    2 year chart suggesting it's a good time to buy in at/near the peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    The hate is real. When you come up with what they had 5 years ago you can talk. until then put up or shut up rookie.
    so damn insecure and grievance filled. Just like the trumpers.

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    Oh so I guess my lure worked

    So back to the OP. How can you not see this as a win/ win for both Tesla and Hertz ? Forget the massive buy from Hertz and the revenue for Tesla. This gives Hertz massive publicity and a fleet of EV’s no other rental company has ( hell I could have gone to Hertz instead of Turo when I wanted to rent a Tesla ) Tesla gets people unfamiliar with their product a huge advantage towards new possible buyers.

    NOW !!! The real reason why Hertz picked Tesla. Charging infrastructure, Tesla is just years and years ahead of any other manufacturers with their super charging network.

    See this real world comparison.

    Here’s a hint all other EV’s FAIL in charging networks

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    I want 100 more miles on a charge and a $40k price tag, then I'll have a space in my garage for Tesla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Guy in a subsidy queen industry loves the government subsidy king. How many billion has Tesla taken from tax payers for nothing mr “I don’t like taxes”?
    Yeah, it’s not like Detroit ever got a bailout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    Oh so I guess my lure worked

    So back to the OP. How can you not see this as a win/ win for both Tesla and Hertz ? Forget the massive buy from Hertz and the revenue for Tesla. This gives Hertz massive publicity and a fleet of EV’s no other rental company has ( hell I could have gone to Hertz instead of Turo when I wanted to rent a Tesla ) Tesla gets people unfamiliar with their product a huge advantage towards new possible buyers.

    NOW !!! The real reason why Hertz picked Tesla. Charging infrastructure, Tesla is just years and years ahead of any other manufacturers with their super charging network.

    See this real world comparison.

    Here’s a hint all other EV’s FAIL in charging networks

    Might note that Tesla's charging networks cost more to charge the car than running it on gasoline. That may have some effect on sales of electric cars, but not on the stock price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    Might note that Tesla's charging networks cost more to charge the car than running it on gasoline. That may have some effect on sales of electric cars, but not on the stock price.
    During my week renting a Tesla I used a few superchargers and that was not my experience at all. It cost me about $19 to “fill up” at a Tesla Super charging station about 20 - 35 min. It cost me $9 to fill up at the slow charging ( over night ) at the charging station in my complex. For comparison I just filled up my ICE van and it was $68. Add the cost of oil changes, and ICE repairs etc and then run a spreadsheet of the “Actual” cost of ownership

    Sorry CA gas prices are north of $4.30 per gal regular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Yeah, it’s not like Detroit ever got a bailout.
    The bailouts for Chrysler and GM didn't seem to provoke record prices for their shares on the stock market.

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    Until this year, I had no particular feelings for or against Elon or his companies. That neutrality has changed to negativity now. I live out in the rather rural countryside north of Detroit, just a few short miles north of cable coverage. Our internet coverage is dismal. We tried the satellite thing. It was unuseable. We now connect with a cellphone-signal modem. It is perfectly acceptable during the off hours, but becomes useless during the busy times of day.
    Early this year we got a mailer touting the new "StarLink" satellite service, claiming the fastest, most dependable internet service imaginable. I had heard good things about this new system, so we didn't hesitate to sign up and send them $100 toward the hardware and hookup cost. For the next couple of weeks I eagerly checked the mail for a package containing the new hardware or further word on the plan. That was, I think, February. Since then, we have not heard a peep from them regarding a hookup date, but rumor on the street says it won't be until next year. Perhaps I didn't read all the small print, but I can say that the feel of the mailer was that this was a real and working system I was signing up for. Not some dream system in the early days of it's development.
    In the meantime, since I signed up for StarLink, Comcast has finally shown up in our neighborhood and are busily running cable up and down the roads in our neighborhood. I suspect the cable will be available sooner than the pie-in-the-sky StarLink system. I feel ill-used by the scam advertising method and the taking of my money without making it clear that this system was nowhere near ready to be operational. I resent it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Hmmm, Hugh… the fastest production care at a fraction of the price, a CEO with actual balls, the ability to change gears amidst a supply chain malfunction and exceed expectations…. That must be why my stock went up 12% today…. Why are you sooooooo butt-hurt? My god, I haven’t seen a jealous tantrum like that since I was a kid and I won a goldfish at the fair and my brother didn’t.
    It went up because Hertz agreed to order their vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    During my week renting a Tesla I used a few superchargers and that was not my experience at all. It cost me about $19 to “fill up” at a Tesla Super charging station about 20 - 35 min. It cost me $9 to fill up at the slow charging ( over night ) at the charging station in my complex. For comparison I just filled up my ICE van and it was $68. Add the cost of oil changes, and ICE repairs etc and then run a spreadsheet of the “Actual” cost of ownership

    Sorry CA gas prices are north of $4.30 per gal regular.
    Did a rough calculation comparing my Prius (40 mpg) to driving the same distance with an EV at local residential electric rates, and the break-even point was about $2.40 a gallon for gasoline, when it was selling for about that at the local pumps. A better look is here: https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...as/6110815001/ it's a pretty good analysis. Actually, my primary concern is the longevity and cost of the battery packs, which would make the depreciation of an EV pretty scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    I want 100 more miles on a charge and a $40k price tag, then I'll have a space in my garage for Tesla.
    80 percent of the time people charge at home. In the last two months we have put on 2100 miles on our Model 3. Total electricity charge @ .9 cent per kWhour..45 Dollars. Yes, at aprox. 30 cents per kw, Superchargers are expensive, nothing near what gas is per mile.
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    No belly dancers. I’ll check back then I’m out.

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    get it ....old men and changes..they are hard


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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Then you didn't read the fine print. The new way of innovating is pre-orders and crowed funding. A company gauges the demand of their product by how many per-orders they get and they get capital to play with. Right, wrong, or indifferent, it's the way of the world.
    And you're ok with this crap? I'm not. It's neither right nor indifferent. It's wrong. Just wrong. Sleazy. Legitimate business puts the facts in front of the customer and let's him make a decision based on those facts. There was no use of the phrase "pre-order". It was more like "Sign up now for the greatest internet performance you've ever seen.". I shouldn't have to dig deep into fine print or do research to find out that the whole thing is a dream for the future. It might be legal, but it's still sleazy. Hey, it's not the end of the world. A hundred bucks won't kill me. But I sure as hell won't ever trust these scuzzballs again, and, given a choice, I will go with "the other guy" every chance I get. Fool me once ...

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    Fight Entropy, build a wooden boat!

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    Best car I have ever owned. And there have been a lot.

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    20210905_172348.jpgBest car I have ever owned. And there have been a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    Did a rough calculation comparing my Prius (40 mpg) to driving the same distance with an EV at local residential electric rates, and the break-even point was about $2.40 a gallon for gasoline, when it was selling for about that at the local pumps. A better look is here: https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...as/6110815001/ it's a pretty good analysis. Actually, my primary concern is the longevity and cost of the battery packs, which would make the depreciation of an EV pretty scary.
    It’s $4.30 a gallon here
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Listen, It's all a crap-shoot.
    to some people, to many people even perhaps

    to others, value based investing still means something i think
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofswen View Post
    Best car I have ever owned. And there have been a lot.
    Please elaborate. I'm interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Honestly, I know enough to be dangerous. I see the price as being based on speculation. I bought in based on speculation. It’s a match. Yes, it’s over valued right now, but I truest think that the AI behind FSD will be a game changer, and the cars and trucks are well received, even if you don’t like them. The plant in Austen has barely begun to spin up, then China and Germany are ramping up as well, the production capability is double or triple with these plants up to full production. They can’t make the cars fast enough and that’s the reality. Whether you like them or not. They have demand, and have nearly completed the capacity to meet it. Is that not value there? Tesla is not just a car company, the thermal thingy is a very cool piece of tech that can be scaled up to residential hvac use and is very efficient. Then there’s VTG and their power walls. There’s value there. Again, some of it is speculation. I’m comfortable with that, didn’t bet the farm.

    If you're going to treat it like a casino, there's a lot you can do to (potentially) increase your position and lower your cost basis. Covered calls might be of interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    set your sights so low now
    and take a little trip
    take a little trip
    take a little trip with me
    i know of a place where there's tesla super chargers no waiting
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    Well done Joe! Your troll not only hooked him, but he swallowed the sinker & line as well.

    I'd wonder why Hugh hates so much, but I'd have to care before I'd seriously wonder. "neutered coward" - ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    it went up $50 billion because hertz, the zombie corp, agreed to order $4 billion in vehicles.

    oh, and people bought tons of call options.
    Just checked. I’ve made 67% on that “zombie” in a few short months. I applaud HTZZ for taking a bold step. Undoubtedly there will be some pains of adaptation, but ultimately it will expose more people to EV’s and create more desire. A plus for both companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    It’s $4.30 a gallon here
    That cheap! Try Europe.

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    Just so absolutely everyone is happy - Hertz has Tom Brady in the leading role in their ad campaign for the Teslas.
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    Buy low sell high, and even if it is a pyramid scheme or simply a bubble. you'll win if you get your timing right. But you do need discipline and a degree of planning for that game.

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