Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 36 to 70 of 97

Thread: covid is over for some

  1. #36
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Saint Helena Island, SC
    Posts
    11,928

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    I really don’t understand how any aircrew wouldn’t want to protect themselves from this virus. If I worked in a small enclosed space with the general public I would not only insist on being vaccinated myself, I’d insist that all the passengers and fellow crew members be vaccinated also. I guess I’m just lucky that I work alone and can pick and choose the jobs that I take.
    If you don’t believe there is a virus then you won’t see a need to protect yourself from it. Finished a trip 3 days ago with a unvaccinated denier.
    About to head to the jet start a 4 day trip. Vax status will come up in conversation at some point.
    Fight Entropy, build a wooden boat!

  2. #37
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Location
    Portland, Maine
    Posts
    21,952

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    So they think the liberals just made up the whole Global Pandemic? Millions of deaths worldwide and they just deny it? Crazy. They just discount/ignore all the reports from healthcare workers about the full hospitals and the dying patients?

    If I worked for an Airline I’d be bombarding management with demands that they pressure the powers that be to insist all passengers are fully vaccinated.

  3. #38
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Dear unvaccinated: Bye! And don’t let the door hit you in the . . . well, you know | Opinion BY LEONARD PITTS JR. UPDATED SEPTEMBER 27, 2021 9:43 AM

    “If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there” — from “Wild World” by Cat Stevens This is for those of you who’ve chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.


    No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you’re all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city’s requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector’s office in Orange County, Florida, and, incredibly, dozens of healthcare professionals. Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people’s faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here’s a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.


    And here’s two more: Good riddance. Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to “pause” delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that’s not nothing. We’ve been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. “There’s no freedom no more,” whined one man in video that recently aired on “The Daily Show With Trevor Noah.” The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt. It’s an unfortunately common refrain. Can’t smoke in a movie theater? Can’t crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can’t post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? “There’s no freedom no more.” Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that’s not freedom, it’s anarchy. Usually, the rest of us don’t agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in “The Daily Show” clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the healthcare system and our personal lives.


    So if you’re angry, guess what? You’re not the only ones. The difference is, your anger is dumb, and ours is not. Yours is about being coerced to do something you don’t want to do. Like that’s new. Like you’re not already required to get vaccinated to start school or travel to other countries. For that matter, you’re also required to mow your lawn, cover your hindparts and, yes, wear a seatbelt. So you’re mad at government and your job for doing what they’ve always done. But the rest of us, we’re mad at you. Because this thing could have been over by now, and you’re the reason it isn’t. That’s why we were glad President Biden stopped asking nicely, started requiring vaccinations everywhere he had power to do so. We were also glad when employers followed suit. And if that’s a problem for you, then, yes, goodbye, sayonara, aufwiedersehen, adios and adieu. We’ll miss you, to be sure. But you’re asking us to choose between your petulance and our lives. And that’s really no choice at all.
    https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...254469578.html
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  4. #39
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    ^who is that compared to these folks.

    These are the opinions that matter to a lot to the rich unvaccinated.

    Without friends none of this is possible.

  5. #40
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Without friends none of this is possible.

  6. #41
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Saint Helena Island, SC
    Posts
    11,928

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post

    If I worked for an Airline I’d be bombarding management with demands that they pressure the powers that be to insist all passengers are fully vaccinated.
    It’d be a wasted effort Steven. I suspect Biden’s December 8th “mandate” will fail as well.
    As to my industry I truly believe that if they had instead said get vaccinated and you can ditch the mask we’d have near 100% vaccination rates. At least I don’t have to wear it in the cockpit.
    Fight Entropy, build a wooden boat!

  7. #42
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    27,673

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/o...accinated.html

    A good write-up, which unfortunately, I can't C/P; perhaps someone? Explains a lot about how we got to such a large proportion un-vaxxed/hesitant.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

  8. #43
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    downward bound
    Posts
    9,362

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    It’s ~20% of adults. That’s substantial, but man do we cater to those cretins.

  9. #44
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/o...accinated.html

    A good write-up, which unfortunately, I can't C/P; perhaps someone? Explains a lot about how we got to such a large proportion un-vaxxed/hesitant.
    Here you go

    The Unvaccinated May Not Be Who You Think


    Oct. 15, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET

    Back when a viral pandemic killing millions around the world was just the plot of a scary movie, the film “Contagion” was lauded for how accurately it depicted the way such an outbreak would occur.
    On the science of viral contagion, it was quite sharp, clearly explaining things like R0 (the measure of how widely one infection could spread to others, on average).
    Of the human dimension of contagion, it did not prove as prescient. In the movie, fearful nurses walked off the job at the start of the pandemic, which begins to end as soon as vaccines become available, with people lining up eagerly for their turn.
    The opposite happened in real life. Despite enormous personal risk, almost all health care workers stayed on the job in the first months of the Covid pandemic. Despite vaccines being widely available since spring in the United States, tens of thousands are dying every month because they chose not to be inoculated.



    The failure of the United States to vaccinate more people stands out, especially since we had every seeming advantage to get it done. As early as the end of April of this year, when vaccines were in dire short supply globally, almost every adult who wanted to get vaccinated against Covid-19 in the United States could do so, for free. By June, about 43 percent of the U.S. population had received two doses while that number was only about 6 percent in Canada and 3 percent in Japan.

    Now, just a few months later, these countries, along with 44 others, have surpassed U.S. vaccination rates. And our failure shows: America continues to have among the highest deaths per capita from Covid.

    Science’s ability to understand our cells and airways cannot save us if we don’t also understand our society and how we can be led astray.
    There is a clear partisan divide over vaccination — Republicans are more likely to tell pollsters that they will not get vaccinated. Some Republican politicians and Fox News hosts have been pumping out anti-vaccine propaganda. The loud, ideological anti-vaxxers exist, and it’s not hard to understand the anger directed at them. All this may make it seem as if almost all the holdouts are conspiracy theorists and anti-science die-hards who think Covid is a hoax, or that there is nothing we can do to reach more people.

    Real-life evidence, what there is, demonstrates that there’s much more to it.
    Almost 95 percent of those over 65 in the United States have received at least one dose. This is a remarkable number, given that polling has shown that this age group is prone to online misinformation, heavily represented among Fox News viewers, and more likely to vote Republican. Clearly, misinformation is not destiny.

    Second, reality has refuted dire predictions about how Americans would respond to vaccine mandates. In a poll in September, 72 percent of the unvaccinated said they would quit if forced to be vaccinated for work. There were news articles warning of mass resignations. When large employers, school districts, and hospital systems did finally mandate vaccines, people subject to mandates got vaccinated, overwhelmingly. After United Airlines mandated vaccines, there were only 232 holdouts among 67,000 employees. Among about 10,000 employees in state-operated health care facilities in North Carolina, only 16 were fired for noncompliance.
    The remarkable success of vaccine mandates shows that for many, it is not firm ideological commitments that have kept everyone from getting vaccinated, and that the stubborn, unpersuadable holdouts may be much smaller than we imagine.
    Let’s start with what we do know about the unvaccinated.






    There has been strikingly little research on the sociology of the pandemic, even though billions of taxpayer dollars have been spent on vaccines. The assumption that some scientific breakthrough will swoop in to save the day is built too deeply into our national mythology — but as we’ve seen, again and again, it’s not true.
    The research and data we do have show that significant portions of the unvaccinated public were confused and concerned, rather than absolutely opposed to vaccines.
    Some key research on the unvaccinated comes from the Covid States Project, an academic consortium that managed to scrape together resources for regular polling. It categorizes them as “vaccine-willing” and “vaccine-resistant,” and finds the groups almost equal in numbers among the remaining unvaccinated. (David Lazer, one of the principal investigators of the Covid States Project, told me that the research was done before the mandates, and that the consortium has limited funding, so they can only poll so often).
    Furthermore, their research finds that the unvaccinated, overall, don’t have much trust in institutions and authorities, and even those they trust, they trust less: 71 percent of the vaccinated trust hospitals and doctors “a lot,” for example, while only 39 percent of the unvaccinated do.

    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  10. #45
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Continued

    Relentless propaganda against public health measures no doubt contributes to erosion of trust. However, that mistrust may also be fueled by the sorry state of health insurance in this country and the deep inequities in health care — at a minimum, this could make people more vulnerable to misinformation. Research on the unvaccinated by KFF from this September showed the most powerful predictor of who remained unvaccinated was not age, politics, race, income or location, but the lack of health insurance.
    The Covid States team shared with me more than a thousand comments from unvaccinated people who were surveyed. Scrolling through them, I noticed a lot more fear than certainty. There was the very, very rare “it’s a hoax” and “it’s a gene therapy” but most of it was a version of: I’m not sure it’s safe. Was it developed too fast? Do we know enough? There was also a lot of fear of side effects, worries about lack of Food and Drug Administration approval and about yet-undiscovered dangers.
    Their surveys also show that only about 12 percent of the unvaccinated said they did not think they’d benefit from a vaccine: so, only about 4 percent of the national population.
    In law, “dying declarations” are given special considerations because the prospect of death can help remove the motivation to deceive or to bluster. The testimony we’ve seen from unvaccinated people in their last days with Covid, sometimes voiced directly by them from their hospital beds, gets at some of the core truths of vaccine hesitancy. They are pictures of confusion, not conviction.

    One woman who documented her final days on TikTok described being uncertain about side effects, being worried about lack of F.D.A. approval, and waiting to go with her family — until it was too late.

    Or consider Josie and Tom Burko, married parents who died from Covid within days of each other, leaving behind an 8-year-old daughter. They hadn’t taken the pandemic lightly. They were “100 percent pro-vaccination,” their close friend told The Oregonian afterward, but Josie reportedly had a heart murmur and chronic diabetes and worried about an adverse reaction. Tom reportedly had muscular atrophy, and similar worries. Afraid, they did not yet get vaccinated.
    It’s easy to say that all these people should have been more informed or sought advice from a medical provider, except that many have no health care provider. As of 2015, one quarter of the population in the United States had no primary health care provider to turn to for trusted advice.

    Along with the recognition of greater risk, access to regular health care may be an important explanation of why those over 65 are the most-vaccinated demographic in the country. They have Medicare. That might have increased their immunity against the Fox News scare stories.
    One reason for low vaccination rates in rural areas may be that they are “health care and media” deserts, as a recent NBC report on the crises put it, with few reliable local news outlets and the “implosion of the rural health care system” — too few hospitals, doctors and nurses.
    Plus, let’s face it, interacting with the medical system can be stress-inducing even for many of us with health insurance. Any worry about long-term side effects is worsened by a system in which even a minor illness can produce unpredictable and potentially huge expenses.
    Then there is the health system’s long-documented mistreatment of Black people (and other minorities) in this country. Black people are less likely to be given pain medication or even treatment for life-threatening emergencies, for instance. I thought of those statistics while reading the poignant story of a Black physician who could not persuade her mother to get vaccinated because her mother’s previous interactions with the medical system included passing out after screaming in agony when a broken arm got manipulated and X-rayed without sufficient care for her pain.
    While the racial gap in vaccination has improved over the last year — nonwhite people were more likely to express caution and a desire to wait-and-see rather than be committed anti-vaxxers — it’s still there.
    In New York, for example, only 42 percent of African Americans of all ages (and 49 percent among adults) are fully vaccinated — the lowest rate among all demographic groups tracked by the city.



    This is another area in which the dominant image of the white, QAnon-spouting, Tucker Carlson-watching conspiracist anti-vaxxer dying to own the libs is so damaging. It can lead us to ignore the problem of racialized health inequities, with deep historic roots but also ongoing repercussions, and prevent us from understanding that there are different kinds of vaccine hesitancy which require different approaches.
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  11. #46
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Continued

    Just ask Nicki Minaj.About a month ago, the rap artist made headlines after tweeting that she was worried about vaccines because she had heard from her cousin that a friend of his had swollen testicles after being vaccinated. (Experts pointed out that, even if this had happened, it was most likely caused by a sexually transmitted disease.) She was justifiably denounced for spreading misinformation.
    But something else that Minaj said caught my eye. She wrote that she hadn’t done “enough research” yet, but that people should keep safe “in the meantime” by wearing “the mask with 2 strings that grips your head & face. Not that loose one.”

    “Wear a good mask while researching vaccines” is not the sentiment of a denier. She seemed genuinely concerned about Covid, even to the point that she seemed to understand that N95s, the high-quality masks that medical professionals wear, which have the “2 strings that grips your head & face,” were much safer.

    Lazer said that the Covid States Project’s research showed that unvaccinated people who nonetheless wore masks were, indeed, more likely to be Black women. In contrast, those who were neither vaccinated nor masked were more likely to be Republicans, and more likely to be rural, less educated and white. (Among the vaccinated, Asian-Americans were most likely to be still wearing masks).

    Lazer also highlighted an overlooked group with higher levels of vaccine hesitancy: young mothers. They were hesitant, both for themselves and their children, an alarming development especially if it starts affecting other childhood vaccinations. Similarly, from real-life data, we know that only a little more than one-third of pregnant women are vaccinated, which has led to many tragic stories of babies losing their mothers just as they are being whisked into the neonatal intensive care unit after an emergency cesarean section.

    It may well be that some of the unvaccinated are a bit like cats stuck in a tree. They’ve made bad decisions earlier and now may be frozen, part in fear, and unable to admit their initial hesitancy wasn’t a good idea, so they may come back with a version of how they are just doing “more research.”



    We know from research into human behavior but also just common sense that in such situations, face-saving can be crucial.
    In fact, that’s exactly why the mandates may be working so well. If all the unvaccinated truly believed that vaccines were that dangerous, more of them would have quit. These mandates may be making it possible for those people previously frozen in fear to cross the line, but in a face-saving manner.

    Research also shows that many of the unvaccinated have expressed concerns about long-term effects. Consider an information campaign geared toward explaining that unlike many drugs, for which adverse reactions can indeed take a long time to surface, adverse effects of vaccines generally occur within weeks or months, since they work differently, as the immunologist Andrew Croxford explained in the Boston Review. Medical professionals could be dispatched to vaccination clinics, workplaces and stores to get that point across. (Yes, medical professionals are overwhelmed, but the best way to reduce their burden is to vaccinate more people.) This would let some hesitant people feel like they had “done their research,” while interacting with a medical professional — the basis for more trust.
    Finally, consider something hidden amid all the other dysfunction that plagues us: fear of needles.


    Don’t roll your eyes. Pre-pandemic research suggests that fear of needles might affect up to 25 percent of adults and may lead up to 16 percent of adults to skip or delay vaccinations. For many, it’s not as simple as “suck it up”: It’s a condition that can lead to panic attacks and even fainting. During the pandemic, a study in Britain found that adults who had injection phobia, as many as one in four, were twice as likely to be vaccine-hesitant. Research by Covid States shows that about 14 percent of the remaining unvaccinated mention fear of needles as a factor.
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  12. #47
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Continued

    Countries with far higher rates of vaccination, Canada and Britain, have responded by mobilizing their greatest strength: a national health care system. Cities in Canada held clinics specially aimed at people with such anxiety, including privacy rooms and other accommodations. Britain’s national health care system offers similar accommodations.I’ve yet to find a systematic program in the United States addressing this fear. Worse, much of our public communications around the vaccines feature images of people getting jabbed with a needle, even though that can worsen anxiety.
    In researching, I was inundated with stories from people who struggled with this fear and were often unable to find help. Some women said they were treated like drug seekers because they asked for a single anti-anxiety pill to get through it. (They also said their male family members and friends had an easier time). It may seem hard to believe that people might risk their lives over seemingly small fears, but that’s exactly how people behave in many situations.



    Of course, there are some people who it seems will never be persuaded. One strategy that has been shown to work is to highlight deceptive practices. In campaigns to keep teens from smoking, advertisements pointed out how the tobacco industry manipulated people. For Covid, the unvaccinated could be shown that they have been taken in by people who have misled them, even while getting vaccinated themselves.
    Just recently, there was a brief glimpse at how Fox News actually looks behind the camera: everyone in the office was wearing masks, even as the hosts have often talked about the alleged tyranny of it all. Stars like Tucker Carlson rant against vaccines, even as their workplace says that more than 90 percent of full-time employees have been vaccinated. Realizing that one may have been conned and manipulated by opportunists who do not practice what they preach may — just may — be the breakthrough for some.
    Responding to our societal dysfunctions has been among the greatest challenges of this pandemic, especially since this includes a political and media establishment stirring up resentment and suspicion to hold on to power and attention in an increasingly unresponsive political system.
    Anger — and even rage — at all this may be justified, but deploying only anger will not just obscure the steps we can and should try to take, it will play into the hands of those who’d like to reduce all this to a shouting match.


    Instead, we need to develop a realistic, informed and deeply pragmatic approach to our shortcomings without ceding ground to the conspiracists, grifters, and demagogues, and without overlooking the historic inequities in health care and weaknesses in our public health infrastructure. It’s not all fair, and it is not a Hollywood ending, but it’s how we can move forward.
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  13. #48
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    ^ Blah blah blah. your recent pictures of your travels suggest you moved on as well. so have I. We moved to a new normal unbound by covid worries and request those around us take some levels of protection for our personal comfort level.

    The message is get back to normal. No one cares if they feel protected and have great medical. the people who are most in danger are poor, lack quality medical and high risk. at this time, if they chose not to get a vaccine it is a personal choice.

    Without friends none of this is possible.

  14. #49
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    ^ Blah blah blah. your recent pictures of your travels suggest you moved on as well. so have I. We moved to a new normal unbound by covid worries and request those around us take some levels of protection for our personal comfort level.

    The message is get back to normal. No one cares if they feel protected and have great medical. the people who are most in danger are poor, lack quality medical and high risk. at this time, if they chose not to get a vaccine it is a personal choice.

    BLA BLA BLA
    As I said before EVERY Restaurant, EVERY Bar, Cafe, Event REQUIRED proof of vaccination to enter.
    Every store, public transit, cab etc REQUIRED you to be masked to enter.
    Forgive my Bronx French but NYC gave NO F**KS and the rules we ABSOLUTE

    NJ was a little more forgiving with regards to Restraunt's and Bars but masking was EVERYWHERE, but everyone was absolutely PRO VACCINE


    Most of the time we removed our masks just to take a photo then everyone resumed masking.

    Fun fact NO NY'er bitched or complained or yelled FREEDUMB !!! They just masked up showed their proof of vaccination and moved one.

    I did see one Tourist (from obviously a red state ) Try to give a proof of Vaccine bouncer some BS medical excuse. He was shot down in a NY minute by a guy that just had no time for it and no Fooks given.

    No NO not everyone is treating it the same.

    The one interesting point in the NYT article is it looks like MANDATES help people save face and get the jab.

    Second, reality has refuted dire predictions about how Americans would respond to vaccine mandates. In a poll in September, 72 percent of the unvaccinated said they would quit if forced to be vaccinated for work. There were news articles warning of mass resignations. When large employers, school districts, and hospital systems did finally mandate vaccines, people subject to mandates got vaccinated, overwhelmingly. After United Airlines mandated vaccines, there were only 232 holdouts among 67,000 employees. Among about 10,000 employees in state-operated health care facilities in North Carolina, only 16 were fired for noncompliance.
    Last edited by Joe (SoCal); 10-15-2021 at 12:20 PM.
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  15. #50
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    the hills
    Posts
    63,378

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    I’ve moved on. Lots of people on the planet to ferment the next pandemic. We’re in a multi century process.

  16. #51
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Ted that beloved "chose not to get a vaccine it is a personal choice"

    Is absolute BULL****E the courts have ruled on this, and there is hundred years of case law requiring mandates for public safety.

    Your personal right to swing your arms end when they touch my face.

    THIS IS HOW WE ALL WERE MANDATED IN THE PAST NONE OF IT WAS PERSONAL CHOICE.

    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  17. #52
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Joe - you wore masks outside and public transport. good for you. you did it for others.

    When you and Renee got your great in dining experience you sat within 4 feet of well heeded strangers with all your masks off. You did it cause you did not want to miss the NY experience fully, lingering over the food and drink and the community. You were in those places for hours too. You and me moved on 6 months ago. You and I are not walking that back since you and I are vaccinated. each month you will go farther away from stricter protocols as you want to return to the modified new normal that lets you enjoy the effort of wealth and comfort you so love.
    Without friends none of this is possible.

  18. #53
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    Ted that beloved "chose not to get a vaccine it is a personal choice"

    Is absolute BULL****E the courts have ruled on this, and there is hundred years of case law requiring mandates for public safety.

    Your personal right to swing your arms end when they touch my face.

    THIS IS HOW WE ALL WERE MANDATED IN THE PAST NONE OF IT WAS PERSONAL CHOICE.

    Covid is not polio. you know that.... Not once in my life time have we been required to get vaccines for the common seasonal corona flu. People with low risks, good medical and wealth need not worry. If you don't like that is not fair then that is a different argument you can make. I will agree with you.

    Why can't you accept this illness if vaccinated is not as scary to all of us it was pre vaccine and lacking proper medical protocols? My thread is about moving on and adapting to the new norms. You have. And still you are arguing old talking points that you do not fear for yourself.
    Without friends none of this is possible.

  19. #54
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    Joe - you wore masks outside and public transport. good for you. you did it for others.

    When you and Renee got your great in dining experience you sat within 4 feet of well heeded strangers with all your masks off. You did it cause you did not want to miss the NY experience fully, lingering over the food and drink and the community. You were in those places for hours too. You and me moved on 6 months ago. You and I are not walking that back since you and I are vaccinated. each month you will go farther away from stricter protocols as you want to return to the modified new normal that lets you enjoy the effort of wealth and comfort you so love.
    You're not getting it THERE WAS NO CHOICE don't wear a mask YOU DON'T GET ON PUBLIC TRANSIT NO F**CKS GIVEN.

    In order to get into the Restraunt YOU HAVE TO SHOW PROOF OF VACCINATION AGAIN NO F**CKS GIVEN. EVERYONE AT OUR TABLE WAS FULLY VACCINATED EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE RESTRAUNT WAS FULLY VACCINATED OR YOU DID NOT GET IN. SIMPLE

    Added bonus no one bitched or complained

    What part of the NYC & LA Mandates are you not getting ???
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  20. #55
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    Covid is not polio. you know that.... Not once in my life time have we been required to get vaccines for the common seasonal corona flu. People with low risks, good medical and wealth need not worry. If you don't like that is not fair then that is a different argument you can make. I will agree with you.

    Why can't you accept this illness if vaccinated is not as scary to all of us it was pre vaccine and lacking proper medical protocols? My thread is about moving on and adapting to the new norms. You have. And still you are arguing old talking points that you do not fear for yourself.

    Is covid like the measles, diphtheria, Hep B etc ? ALL OF WICH ARE MANDATED

    Come on Ted you are on the loosing side of history and science and again continuing to promoted disinformation. STOP IT
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  21. #56
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    You're not getting it THERE WAS NO CHOICE don't wear a mask YOU DON'T GET ON PUBLIC TRANSIT NO F**CKS GIVEN.

    In order to get into the Restraunt YOU HAVE TO SHOW PROOF OF VACCINATION AGAIN NO F**CKS GIVEN. EVERYONE AT OUR TABLE WAS FULLY VACCINATED EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE RESTRAUNT WAS FULLY VACCINATED OR YOU DID NOT GET IN. SIMPLE

    Added bonus no one bitched or complained

    What part of the NYC & LA Mandates are you not getting ???
    The fact you got on public transit is a class statement. Mr. Big in New York goes where ever he wants to. Yeah he is likely vaccinated too. Nobody is not going to hold him or her up. they just want his money and thank him for coming.

    There are hundreds cities and local places where you live and went to that don't care. Mandates are subjective things. Quit crying that people don't care. I am sure your groomers that visiting your clients are not asking to see the client's vaccine status nor are you concerned that the pets they are servicing could be carriers from their sick families to your workers. You expect it all to work out. and it has so far and you expect to do so in the future.
    Without friends none of this is possible.

  22. #57
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    The fact you got on public transit is a class statement. Mr. Big in New York goes where ever he wants to. Yeah he is likely vaccinated too. Nobody is not going to hold him or her up. they just want his money and thank him for coming.

    There are hundreds cities and local places where you live and went to that don't care. Mandates are subjective things. Quit crying that people don't care. I am sure your groomers that visiting your clients are not asking to see the client's vaccine status nor are you concerned that the pets they are servicing could be carriers from their sick families to your workers. You expect it all to work out. and it has so far and you expect to do so in the future.
    As an ACTUAL real NYer we kinda get it and know how to deal. Besides we don't have time to waste trying to argue and miss our ferry or train.


    I just fired 3 groomers for not being vaccinated. Fun fact all three are the only staff members to come down with covid. The last one I fired was in the process of moving to AZ to get away from "Communist" California came down with a severe case of covid and had to be hospitalized. Oh and she gave it to her mother, who thank God got a mild form.

    I'm interviewing a new groomer Monday, first question "are you vaccinated? " If not bye bye. Also every groomer that works for our company must be vaccinated, wear gloves and masks when interacting with clients, NO F**KS GIVEN. I check every morning and supply each van with gloves and masks. This is how we stayed and continue to stay working. Our customers appreciate it and are now requesting only vaccenated groomers.

    I HOPE TO GOD that the Biden administration cracks down like an Old Testament God on absolute vaccine mandates in every state, every institution & business.

    Enough of this anti covid bull****e
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  23. #58
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    n.c. tn
    Posts
    9,330

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Couple hundred years ago a novel corona virus found man. There were deaths, mostly old and infirm.. but people developed t & b cell immunity and now the also ever mutating common cold is mostly a nuisance - tho one that still takes some lives of mostly old and infirm. Sars-cv2 has infected huge swaths of the world.. and we now have t & b cell immunity. Masks were a good thing, esp in a world of ever more people in ever crowded spaces with mostly unfiltered air kept cold by a/c, and they - at times, see Joe's maskless public jaunts, above - remain a good thing. Most of the stores in & around Cookeville have become mask free zones, so I must pick and choose - place & time.. I am at times treated rudely for wearing, and at times welcome.. so it goes - but,

    Ted is correct, we have moved on. We now have people referring to fascism's promulgators as 'progressives' & 'moderates'. fook.

  24. #59
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    I'm 1,000,000% for ABSOLUTE MANDATORY VACCINATIONS
    Last edited by Joe (SoCal); 10-15-2021 at 01:46 PM.
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  25. #60
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    the hills
    Posts
    63,378

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    spelling!

  26. #61
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Saint Helena Island, SC
    Posts
    11,928

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    You're not getting it THERE WAS NO CHOICE don't wear a mask YOU DON'T GET ON PUBLIC TRANSIT NO F**CKS GIVEN.

    In order to get into the Restraunt YOU HAVE TO SHOW PROOF OF VACCINATION AGAIN NO F**CKS GIVEN. EVERYONE AT OUR TABLE WAS FULLY VACCINATED EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE RESTRAUNT WAS FULLY VACCINATED OR YOU DID NOT GET IN. SIMPLE

    Added bonus no one bitched or complained

    What part of the NYC & LA Mandates are you not getting ???
    I get it, and I’m happy I don’t go to NYC or LA and I’m fully vaccinated. If I can avoid a place that requires a mask to enter I do so. No f**ks given.
    Fight Entropy, build a wooden boat!

  27. #62
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    I get it, and I’m happy I don’t go to NYC or LA and I’m fully vaccinated. If I can avoid a place that requires a mask to enter I do so. No f**ks given.
    Well we also flew round trip from SNA in Orange County to Newark NJ and we had to wear a mask the entire trip, including in the airport and in the Uber to and from the airport. Not a big deal IMHO

    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  28. #63
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    spelling!
    Thanks, I got emotional
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  29. #64
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Kitty Hawk, NC
    Posts
    10,919

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    I too have moved on. My family is vaccinated. We wear masks when we are near others.

    We will be taking our third vacation in the coming weeks. We will be in crowds. We will be unconcerned.
    Life is complex.

  30. #65
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    I don't understand why you start talking about the rich, wealth, midway through the thread, but not in the opening post. I also don't see how press conferences by basketball players influence the wealthy.

    It seems like a too simple distillation of a subject made complex by a landscape of reasons and a landscape of demographics. Numbers would help in arguing that the epidemic is over for the rich.

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Wearing masks near others is 'moving on'?



    Unconcerned for your health, or of the possibility that you might transmit the virus to others? Because, the wearing of masks indicates concern, not unconcern.
    Twodot for the win
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  31. #66
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Almost...the fat lady hasn't sung yet...

    Is that a service dog?

    There, game over, for the win!
    Fully registered as a service dog with all the proper accreditation and all paperwork in order.
    Pays to be in the industry
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

  32. #67
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    I don't understand why you start talking about the rich, wealth, midway through the thread, but not in the opening post. I also don't see how press conferences by basketball players influence the wealthy.

    It seems like a too simple distillation of a subject made complex by a landscape of reasons and a landscape of demographics. Numbers would help in arguing that the epidemic is over for the rich.
    Who is arguing for the rich? No one. They do not need to justify what they do in their personal life. Their only concerns if they are in the celebrity business they just need to avoid falling out of being admired, envied, being culturally cancelled and turned into a social pariahs.

    This is how I see things. Trump is not a one off nor is the series cult of personalities that profoundly effect our day to day lives. The affluent from the beginning of the wide scale pandemic have not worried too much. I believe that impactful social media influencers are greater as anything that comes from the White House, CDC, WHO, New York times and CNN.

    When some of the most influential among those in the highest risks groups such as many of the NBA superstars say they are not worried nor are seeking/supporting the vaccine for all then that is a huge statement. The NBA and the players union have supported those who do not get the vaccine. The venues that host the games often do not have a mandatory mask mandate. Who is taking note of them and who are they speaking to?

    Most people who live in the real world have already distilled the reality of Covid for themselves. If the rich and famous people constantly followed are seen maskless and living life fully, did you think that it would not trickle down to the common person who want to believe that most of the covid concerns are over too?
    Without friends none of this is possible.

  33. #68
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Posts
    788

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    It's important to understand why some people are procrastinating regarding vaccinations. Statistics tell us that the typical non vaccinated person in Sweden is foreign born with low income and low education. That's the broad brush. For every person there's a specific reason that most likely isn't the same.

    One of my colleges was in the special forces and was sent on several missions abroad before he joined my company. For one particular mission they had to take vaccines against several diseases. One of the officers in the unit admitted that he was uneasy with syringes but would try to cope. He fainted when he saw the six syringes waiting for him. When he came about he informed his friends that he just couldn't take the vaccines and wouldn't be going with them. They informed him that they'd convinced the nurse to solve his problem while he was passed out.

    It's just an anecdote, but it's an example indicating that every non vaccinated person isn't a convinced anti vaxxer. Syringe phobia is real.

    Another anecdote is that one of the MP:s (age 44) from the Sweden Democrats (a nationalistic conservative party) is recovering in hospital and has been treated with oxygen for CV-19. He says that he's not an anti vaxxer but was afraid of side effects of the vaccine and wanted to fit the vaccine into his agenda, to allow for a week to recover afterwards. He noted that he waited too long. In his case I think he got his information on the side effects of the vaccine from the wrong sources, our equivalent of Foxitis.
    /Erik

  34. #69
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    NorCAL
    Posts
    18,439

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    Fully registered as a service dog with all the proper accreditation and all paperwork in order.
    Pays to be in the industry
    Sir, My dog is not a common hound. It is a service animal with papers. The service she provides is none of your business. And no, my dog will not wear a mask!

    Screen Shot 2021-10-15 at 12.16.41 PM.jpg
    Without friends none of this is possible.

  35. #70
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    38,334

    Default Re: covid is over for some

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    Sir, My dog is not a common hound. It is a service animal with papers. The service she provides is none of your business. And no, my dog will not wear a mask!

    Screen Shot 2021-10-15 at 12.16.41 PM.jpg
    There is no transmission of the Covid 19 virus from (service) Dogs to humans.

    Spin again Ted.

    Edited to add that photo was taken by a dog loving steward who said our Service Dog was the most well behaved and quiet he's ever seen. He also added that my Service Dog was much better behaved than most kids onboard.
    This post is temporary and my disappear at the discretion of the managment

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •