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    Has anyone noted this?

    "As covid-19 surges in Mississippi, some people are ingesting an unproven livestock dewormer"


    "The total number of cases related to ivermectin was not specified in the Friday letter. Byers noted that 85 percent of those who called the Mississippi Poison Control Center said they experienced mild symptoms. Some of the symptoms for ivermectin use among people include rash, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, neurological disorders, and potentially severe hepatitis requiring hospitalization."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...rge-livestock/



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    Apparently some Tractor Supply have warnings it’s not for human consumption

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    In the early days of the problem, an English eye surgeon friend sent us two courses of Ivermectin, just in case we developed symtoms. It was widely used in Asia as a possible reducer of the worst effect of the bug, in the absence of a vaccine.

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    Don’t trust the researchers and physicans.
    Put your health in the hands of some guy on Facebook.
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    I just had an exchange with a Facebook friend about this. I had posted about Jake’s friends dad dying, unvaccinated and he recommended I suggest ivermectin to people that were unvaccinated and that he had some just in case even though he was vaccinated. He said that there is proven science saying it worked and the “government” is hiding it. Posted a couple YouTubes and some spurious claims.

    I did a little looking around based on what he posted and found actual scientific studies that directly contradicted his claims. I posted two of them and asked if he had some actual documents that supported it’s use. Like real studies, not YouTube. His response, “I haven’t really looked into it but I know the government is hiding stuff”.

    That’s seriously the mentality. Believe you tube over scientists, and recommend it based on that. We are doomed.

    And this guy is in health care in some fashion. Ugh.

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    So a vaccine that had millions of dollars and thousands of hours of research isn't ok, but dewormer from Tractor Supply is?

    SMH

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    They must be out of bleach.


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    It's Mississippi, what do you expect?
    The most uneducated state in the country.
    The state with the worst health record in the country.
    The state which I will never visit.
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    On a positive note, those same folk are seeing their lowest levels of 'worm infestation', in decades!
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    "I’m Ronald L. Conte Jr., the author of Covid.us.org.
    I am not a physician, nurse, or healthcare professional."

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    Hehehe... haven't heard of that site before. So I 'googled it' - and 'fraud alert' is the first thing that pops up!

    What a maroon.....
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    mdh, ur real special
    one in a trillion or so
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    mdh.... that's that shredded fiber board, right?

    And suddenly.... all of it makes sense. Sort of.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    mdh is JAFT - and honestly, a lazy one. Post anything to get a rise.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    Hannity et al are hyping this.

    I hope they all die, sorry.
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    "Can we get sunlight inside?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Fauci is suspect, but Ronald L. Conte Jr. is a reliable source.

    If Conte is right, it is good, and if he is spectacularly wrong, then at least it pisses off liberals.

    A win-win.
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    Highest percentage of non-vaxxed is PhD? That claim deserves some, you know, proof.

    But we don’t need proof. It just has to feel right.

    Wheeeeeee!

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    Billions of times...

    May we have a link to that study please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Highest percentage of non-vaxxed is PhD? That claim deserves some, you know, proof.

    But we don’t need proof. It just has to feel right.

    Wheeeeeee!
    Hmm...

    Maybe, maybe not. (Link.)

    Interesting if true, but I'm certainly not prepared to argue the claim one way or the other.

    Have at it, though; you seem to have formed an opinion, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Hmm...

    Maybe, maybe not. (Link.)

    Interesting if true, but I'm certainly not prepared to argue the claim one way or the other.

    Have at it, though; you seem to have formed an opinion, at least.
    I took time to read the original study. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...795v1.full.pdf It’s true: just looking at education those with a high school degree and a PhD had highest vaccine hesitancy. And over time hesitancy among high school graduates has declined. Not so for PhDs.

    There are other groups with higher hesitancy (e.g. Trump voters). But the point seems true.

    That said, people with PhDs isn’t the largest demographic group out there. If we want to increase vaccination some more attention to communities of color than PhDs will generate a better outcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Will you please direct me to the proven vaccine? Is it the one where one shot wasn’t enough. Was it the one that you needed to take two shots? But now you need a booster? No, it couldn’t be that one because the governor of Texas had his third shot and then still caught the virus. Will four shots be the trick? Five?? Wouldn’t a proven vaccine have already been approved by the FDA? Do you think the FDA is going to approve a vaccine that has been reported to have killed more, crippled and maimed more people in less than one year than all the others have in three decades?

    Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have been proven to be safe billions of times. But there’s not much profit in them. Even your Saint Fauci has given up on the vaccines. He’s looking for a pill. If he could only find a pill that would work. But it can’t be one of those old cheap ones. It needs to be a new one. With a new patent.
    If you believe anything Abbott says . . .

    Of course, you believed everything Trump said, too, and none of that turned out to be true . . .

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    Dear lord we need to fund our education system. Unfortunately that's a decades long project to see the needed effect. I'm astonished these people haven't all drowned from looking up during a downpour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have been proven to be safe billions of times.
    As a de-worming agent for large animals. De-worming cattle is somewhat different than doping human beings.

    Maybe you should consult with a large animal vet?

    That being said, a friend, who is a healthcare professional, what with degrees and all, tells me that ivermectin has limited use for people with severe louse infestations that don't respond to topical treatments.

    But again, this is a use case unrelated to viral infections.

    So... citations to actual papers published in reputable peer-reviewed journals, please.
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    My wife and I used to care for 22 horses - 11 ours, and 11 ' boarders' . As part of their care, we went through a 'boatload' of Ivermectin. That said, I would NEVER take it myself, nor recommend it to anyone. YMMV



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    I've an octogenarian retired PA friend who I talk health etc with and when Covid came out, we talked. He uses hydroxychloroquine for one of its official uses and offered me some if I should need it, but it was really only good in one narrow window - from memory, if taken within 24 hrs or so of infection it could minimize severity of response.. and as people seldom know the 24 hr window, like bleach & UV up the wazoo, it's pretty useless - so I said thanks, but I'll pass. FWIW, he never recommended bleach or UV. (-:

    When Ivermectin came on the scene, I asked him about that. Now he's an interesting fellow.. ex army, very liberal, a Physicians Assistant, he and his (perhaps more liberal) wife took 'working vacations' thru the 80's & 90's.. basically, relief organizations would fly them around the world and provide room and board for several days of medical work in places needed. He has some interesting stories of things going right, and things going wrong - night escapes across the desert from angry muslim warlords! 0-: But all's well that ends well, so.. - but I asked about ivermectin. Interesting stuff he said. A fairly cheap, effective & non toxic antiparasitical/antiviral, they had it in boxes of hundreds.. 14mg tablets, iirc, and he said the rule was 14mg up to 75 kilos - and as an aside, no one in those countries was over 75 kilos, obesity being a first world problem. For kids/small kids, they cut the tablets in halves and quarters. It's nearly a perfect medicine he said.. no real toxicity, it was used for all kinds of nasty parasites (cue Keith and a benevolent gawd) - things most Americans at least don't have to concern themselves with... Privilege, eh? The symptoms Jake listed, ".. rash, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain.." are symptoms of dying parasites/virus etc from the ivermectin, not from the ivermectin itself. I'm kinda surprised folk like George. haven't come across this.. but most Americans live lives sheltered behind media controlling the dialog, so no real surprise there.

    But seeing as we're all "it's the Science!" types here, I'm more than a bit surprised to see such.. hmmm, 'fact free commentary', and not just from our own special RWW's - tho theirs is admittedly special! 0-: Oh, well.. guess I shouldn't be. Indoctrination/bias knows no ideology. (on topic) I really enjoyed the interview with the British woman, a researcher who pointed out authoritarian wasn't synonymous w/ conservative, nor constrained to conservative/right wing. Pema Chödrön once said "The difference between theism and nontheism is not whether one does or does not believe in God… Theism is a deep-seated conviction that there’s some hand to hold: if we just do the right things, someone will appreciate us and take care of us. It means thinking there’s always going to be a babysitter available when we need one. We all are inclined to abdicate our responsibilities and delegate our authority to something outside ourselves. Nontheism is relaxing with the ambiguity and uncertainty of the present moment without reaching for anything to protect ourselves."

    I know it's vogue to imagine the gawd thing is only the xtian gawd thing.. but 'tain't so. gawds.. those who decide for us, come in many forms. That's the authoritarian.. both 'left' & 'right', who want the safety of easy facts.. to tell or be told, but 'good gawd (-: , no ambiguity'!


    an aside.. I was flabbergasted nearly two years ago when the entire liberal left immediately and completely capitulated to the demands of a right wing authoritarian regime! No more protests, let the oil flow (& flood rivers), blacks were mostly left to fend for themselves, battered women? No way, I'm Scared! And not only capitulated, but made the demands theirs - and castigated all who wouldn't kow-tow! Talk about gawds!

    Oh, and a question.. why is the U.S. (indeed, first world) media so adamantly (and at times, completely falsely) down on ivermectin.. which is most assuredly _not_ just a horse and dog wormer?

    Inquiring minds..

    that's all, we now return to our regularly scheduled entertainment of 'yeah? well, the other guy!' 0-:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    As a de-worming agent for large animals. De-worming cattle is somewhat different than doping human beings.

    Maybe you should consult with a large animal vet?

    That being said, a friend, who is a healthcare professional, what with degrees and all, tells me that ivermectin has limited use for people with severe louse infestations that don't respond to topical treatments.

    But again, this is a use case unrelated to viral infections.

    So... citations to actual papers published in reputable peer-reviewed journals, please.
    Perhaps it would be instructive for you to do internet research for antiviral uses for ivermectin. (And of course, report back to us.)

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    My wife and I used to care for 22 horses - 11 ours, and 11 ' boarders' . As part of their care, we went through a 'boatload' of Ivermectin. That said, I would NEVER take it myself, nor recommend it to anyone. YMMV
    So, you would NEVER accept treatment with ivermectin, even for conditions for which it is indicated?

    Wouldn't that be somewhat akin to those who refuse the covid vaccine?

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    The Mayo Clinic on the stuff

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...g-20064397?p=1

    And Wikipedia

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

    Where, exactly, would one divine that it is a suitable anti-viral agent? Specifically, for COVID-19?
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    Yanno… it pleases me that folks like mdh and kgr1 may be downing Ivermectin. It is everyone else I am concerned about.

    Here’s a book they can add to their internet research.




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    ^ I shall seek out a signed copy

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    The Mayo Clinic on the stuff

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...g-20064397?p=1

    And Wikipedia

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

    Where, exactly, would one divine that it is a suitable anti-viral agent? Specifically, for COVID-19?
    Presuming some at least want to broaden their horizons..

    That mayo link is whooly inadequate.. remember, it's the nontechnical one meant for patients who shouldn't be told too much. See, esp this -

    " ivermectin — the drug licensed for use against strongyloides and other parasites, and probably best known to primary providers for its off-label use for scabies and head lice, and for pet owners as a common de-worming agent."

    - from this article my PA friend sent me last Jan.

    Before the ins industry made their control known, 'off-label' uses were more common.. Dr's being encouraged, required even, to exercise creative thinking. Speaking of 'off label', Viagra was originally licensed for high blood pressure/angina.. I sure hope none of the old pharts here use it for anything else! 0-:

    as to 'where, exactly..', this from the same fellow.

    as for wiki (& I didn't read that article), it is monitored by what can only be called nazis. I personally know the biologist who Wrote the Book on the Grenada Dove (from research sponsored some years back by a conservaton group, details escape me).. and when he, personally, wrote on the wiki page, they took his down for some b.s. reason. So, caveat emptor?

    Meanwhile, it's a big world.. and the 1st world specifically, narrowly, educated would probably do well to realize their allowed views and practices are not the whole world's. There's more than one reason I scoff at #homosapiens.. and label us #homohubris.
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    The recommendation from the EU specialist authority EMA is to not use Ivermectin outside clinical studies because of insufficient data. My understanding is that it's supposed to be used after infection. It might or might not be effective in helping the body to defeat the virus.
    First defence against CV-19 is still the vaccination. If I still get infected and need medical help I would trust my life to the doctors who are experienced with CV-19 and other infections and not to internet advice.
    I suppose the situation is different if vaccines are not available. Still, Ivermectin didn't come up as a remedy during the first wave when we didn't have the vaccine, and we were open to try anything with even a small chance of success. We found several remedies that each helped the outcome with a few percents if administered at the right stage of the infection. The odds to survive an infection now (if not vaccinated) is much better than it was in April 2020. Were all doctors all over the world too arrogant to test Ivermectin?
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