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    I knew she is a shameless opportunistic politician, but this tweet doesn’t even make sense.
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    I think I just had a stroke reading that.

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    Cracks me up! You can't make this stuff up!
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    They canned Liz for Stefanik? Clown show continues.
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    no cognitive dissonance at all. Socialism to her audience - Republicans- is a catch all term for the government undermining the existing social power structure by helping “bad people”, not community ownership of the means of production.

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    "Totally agree," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, sharing Stefanik's message. "In fact, to further protect Medicare from socialism, let's strengthen it to include dental, vision, hearing, & mental healthcare and then allow all Americans to enjoy its benefits. Trust me, Medicare for All is the #1 thing you can do to own the socialists."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    no cognitive dissonance at all.....
    I agree, cognitive dissonance is only possible when the creature has two or more braincells

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    "Totally agree," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, sharing Stefanik's message. "In fact, to further protect Medicare from socialism, let's strengthen it to include dental, vision, hearing, & mental healthcare and then allow all Americans to enjoy its benefits. Trust me, Medicare for All is the #1 thing you can do to own the socialists."
    excellent

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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchpp View Post
    I agree, cognitive dissonance is only possible when the creature has two or more braincells
    She’s not stupid, not at all. The GOP has been in a feedback cycle since mid W where every failure gets explained away by “the liberal media was mean” or “actually the democrats are worse”, and so the consensus is what they need to succeed is a bigger brasher dumber ahole. And usually it was the dumb ahole nature that caused the problem in the first place. Rumsfeld, Bolton didn’t fail because they were “globalists” they failed because they were dicks. The base is angry about “big government” and “socialism” but can’t vote for people who’ll devote brain cells to solutions, so you get useless pablum.

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    This is a perfect example of why the far right is so dangerous. There are a ton out there who will lap this stuff up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    She’s not stupid, not at all.....
    I'm sure you're right, in Europe we don't know her very well ( I checked the net for her details).
    But graduating from Harvard isn't a guarantee for intellectual succes, applying this kind of bogus logic is something which in the long run will bite back. That 74 million people base of her party is being killed by the Covid strategy of GOP and will be disappointed by the destructive strategies their party uses especially in human related issues like medicare.
    For an European it seems almost impossible that all 74 million GOP voters will follow them like lemmings into the abyss but I'm pretty sure you will correct me

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    Getting in to Harvard is the hurdle, not graduating, and Stefanik’s family isn’t rich enough to bribe the way in nor did her parents attend for legacy credit, so she got in on smarts. But like many of the “elite” university graduates of the past several decades in the USA she’s morally rudderless, incurious, and ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Getting in to Harvard is the hurdle, not graduating, and Stefanik’s family isn’t rich enough to bribe the way in nor did her parents attend for legacy credit, so she got in on smarts. But like many of the “elite” university graduates of the past several decades in the USA she’s morally rudderless, incurious, and ignorant.
    More likely, she got in on connections. She attended an exclusive college prep day school that is probably more or less a pipeline to the Ivy League. Her parents are plenty rich if they were sending their kids to schools like that.

    I don't see "smart" as a plausible descriptor after reading her pro-Medicare, anti-socialisim comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    More likely, she got in on connections. She attended an exclusive college prep day school that is probably more or less a pipeline to the Ivy League. Her parents are plenty rich if they were sending their kids to schools like that.

    I don't see "smart" as a plausible descriptor after reading her pro-Medicare, anti-socialisim comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    More likely, she got in on connections. She attended an exclusive college prep day school that is probably more or less a pipeline to the Ivy League. Her parents are plenty rich if they were sending their kids to schools like that.

    I don't see "smart" as a plausible descriptor after reading her pro-Medicare, anti-socialisim comments.

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    Business pub says the plywood business where her dad & brother are sales and her mom does accounting does $4 million a year. That’s not nothing, but that’s not a $1 million Kushner bribe to get your dullard smug son in. Yes, connections in the form of a good school matter, but she still had to do well there versus competition

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    No one can fix wilful ignorance and stupidity.

    Unfortunately there are many wilfully ignorant Americans in the 21st century who salivate on cue at any mention of "socialist" regardless of how senseless. The USA has really dumbed down over the last 40 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Business pub says the plywood business where her dad & brother are sales and her mom does accounting does $4 million a year. That’s not nothing, but that’s not a $1 million Kushner bribe to get your dullard smug son in. Yes, connections in the form of a good school matter, but she still had to do well there versus competition
    From what I know, that's not how it works. There is little real competition; there really does seem to be a pipeline from "elite" prep schools to Ivy League acceptances. From an interesting article in The Atlantic:

    These schools surround kids who have every possible advantage with a literal embarrassment of riches—and then their graduates hoover up spots in the best colleges. Less than 2 percent of the nation’s students attend so-called independent schools. But 24 percent of Yale’s class of 2024 attended an independent school. At Princeton, that figure is 25 percent. At Brown and Dartmouth, it is higher still: 29 percent.
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    Stefanik's district is right across the lake from me which means I hear news about her, hear her speak, & see her ads. She ain't dumb. Nasty, opportunistic, and willing to do whatever it takes to gain power, but not stupid.

    On private schools & colleges - yes they do feed. However, getting into them, despite what most want to believe, is not about money*. I went to one & went from being at the top of my class in public school with little work to literally 3-4 hours of homework every night just to barely pass. The education is way beyond what one receives in public school. My first year in college was an absolute walk in the park compared to prep school.

    * yes, I'm sure there are examples of kids getting in because daddy had a lot of money. Tiny fraction at most, plus they have to pass to stay in.
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    I wish I could find, or someone would show, the interview Lawrence O'Donnell did with a young woman who joined the Tea Party and disrupted a town hall.

    He found that particular person and had her on his show. Among other things, she had no idea what Medicare was, but she was solidly against it. If memory serves me, he pointed out to her that her parents or grandparents are likely on Medicare, and they most likely love it.

    Bottom line: she had no idea what she was talking about.

    I like the comment someone made: If you don't believe in democratic socialism, build your own roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    From what I know, that's not how it works. There is little real competition; there really does seem to be a pipeline from "elite" prep schools to Ivy League acceptances. From an interesting article in The Atlantic:
    not all schools are the same. From harvard
    In total, one out of every 20 Harvard freshmen attended one of the seven high schools most represented in the class of 2017—Boston Latin, Phillips Academy in Andover, Stuyvesant High School, Noble and Greenough School, Phillips Exeter Academy, Trinity School in New York City, and Lexington High School

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...eeder-schools/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    not all schools are the same. From harvard


    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...eeder-schools/
    That graph shows exactly what I'm talking about; "elite" private schools are way over-represented in the Ivy League. 11% of schools provide 32% of the Harvard student body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    That graph shows exactly what I'm talking about; "elite" private schools are way over-represented in the Ivy League. 11% of schools provide 32% of the Harvard student body.

    Tom
    That threshold is 2 students sent. Even at an “elite” school - which she didn’t attend - you still have to out compete the other students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    That graph shows exactly what I'm talking about; "elite" private schools are way over-represented in the Ivy League. 11% of schools provide 32% of the Harvard student body.

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    I think you are missing the point I tried to make above. Having gone to one of the schools listed in Hugh's chart, I can speak to it some. Yes, a bunch of my class went to Harvard, Yale, etc. However, the admission process to prep schools basically pre-selects - so the # is not surprising. I scored over 1400 on the SATs - which means I could join Mensa (which, along with a couple of bucks would buy me a coffee). However, I was in the bottom third of my class. There were a scary # of very smart people there - so IMO the # going to good colleges is not surprising at all. Prep schools skim off many (certainly not all!) top students from public schools.

    Additionally, there is the course load/quality. As an example, in my senior year I was required to take an American History course. The reading was 200+ pages per week & the required final paper was a minimum of 50 pages typed. I took biology, chemistry, & physics - having a B- (OK - probably more like C+) average. I took the AP exams for all 3 & passed 2 of them. These were the regular courses - not intended to be AP prep at all.

    I think there's a reason good schools have a lot of prep school students admitted & I don't believe it's because there's a racket.
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    why wouldn't elite north eastern private universities seek to admit a higher proportion of applicants from elite north eastern private prep schools? this is a surprise to anyone??
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    I was graduated from one of those elite independent schools in 1966 and went on not to Yale or UNC, rather to the rather new New York State Stony Brook University. We were a 'feeder' to those with next largest to Princeton, then Amherst, Berkley, and so on.

    I was certainly not above average in English but compared to the kids from say Brooklyn Tech I was Nobel in literature. I was good as any, better than most, in math and science. Bunch of required frosh courses I was let out of after first semester.

    My classmates in school got into elite colleges or like me found ourselves better educated than most public school kids not so much because we were smarter. We had the benefit of a 4:1 student:teacher ratio. It's pretty much all about attention.

    And devoted and motivated teachers.

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    Profound stupidity, uncurable. She needs hospitalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    why wouldn't elite north eastern private universities seek to admit a higher proportion of applicants from elite north eastern private prep schools? this is a surprise to anyone??
    why wouldn’t the pipeline of legacy, athletics, donor money, and extracurricular activities favor graduates of a very small slate of elite schools? In recent decades it’s not education getting you >2 kids into Harvard.

    I attended a small private school that fed students to the ivys. It was one student per school, done by “merit” unless there was donor $ involved then it might be more.

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    I went to a small private high school in Southern Vermont and my graduating class sent 6 people to Harvard. It was the largest graduating class in the school’s history - 65 of us. Some that went to Harvard might have been legacy but a few I knew were seriously smart.

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