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    Occasionally I have to put down whatever it is I'm doing and do a few chores around the house and garden. It's the downside of having any sort of ability. I was able to put this one off last year by running out the clock into the cold weather, but now it's spring and the pressure is back on.

    Our front and back doors are well past their prime, well past. They were never much to begin with, off the shelf doors of an indifferent design and cheap construction. 'Nuff about them, they're dumpster fodder.

    I live, surprisingly, in a stucco house, which means that windows and doors go where the holes are and that's it. I've replaced the windows with custom sizes over a span of years, so now it's time to do the doors.

    I'm posting in Misc. Boat Related because I think it might be of interest to some here and it's relatable to boats. Many boats have doors and the construction techniques are usually variations on a theme.

    So, feel free to comment and post pictures of your own work, or even drag the internet for the most beautiful, outlandish and spectacular doors you can find. I'll be making two rather simple doors and will go step-by-step with commentary and photos.


    To begin I bought three mahogany boards about twenty years ago at an auction of a cabinet shop. I paid five hunnert bucks for them. They might be worth more now, but I have to make something useful out of them soon while I still remember how. They're heavier now than then, I know that. Oh, yeah, there'll be jambs and sills as well.



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    Oh god no. Please reconsider.
    Putting that beautiful mahog into door jambs is just so wrong.
    Send it to me and I'll put it to proper use.

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    Nah, Terry, this stuff is for the two doors themselves, I've always had this in mind for them. Entry doors are a worthy use for these planks, especially if they get finished bright. The jambs are going to be from thinner planks.

    Just out of curiosity, what would you do with them?



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    Looks like some sweet stock to start with. What are you planning? Unrated, with solid 1.75" stiles & rails? Any glazing? Solid panels? Will you need add'l stock for the panels? AWI 'Premium' grade, except for the finish? Finish - grain-filler under spar varnish? Looking forward to watching them develop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Ledger View Post
    Nah, Terry, this stuff is for the two doors themselves, I've always had this in mind for them. Entry doors are a worthy use for these planks, especially if they get finished bright. The jambs are going to be from thinner planks.

    Just out of curiosity, what would you do with them?



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    Oh, I'd probably just look at them for twenty years or so trying to decide where they belong.

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    Yes Sir, Jim - I will be following this thread as well - thanks for taking the time to post ! !


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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Looks like some sweet stock to start with. What are you planning? Unrated, with solid 1.75" stiles & rails? Any glazing? Solid panels? Will you need add'l stock for the panels? AWI 'Premium' grade, except for the finish? Finish - grain-filler under spar varnish? Looking forward to watching them develop.
    Thanks for your interest, David. I left out a few details so I had some fodder left for future posts. Here's a quick summary; yes to the 1.75 thickness, or thereabouts, the stock will determine the eventual dimensions in a big way. .

    One of the doors will be rather short to fit the hole in the wall and will be made in a classic Craftsman pattern, two tall panels below with three small windows above. I might use a gunstock stile to widen the window area a bit.

    The other door will be tall and rather narrow with five equal panels, all glass thermopane. This will mimic the five flat panel design of the interior doors.

    The finish will be the same varnish I'm doing on the transom and cabin sides of the boat. That way I'll be able to schedule solid days of sanding and varnishing at the best time of the year.

    That's kinda the plan anyway. Right now I have some simple line drawings and some luan hot-glued templates. The ideas really have to tighten up considerably before I put saw to wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryLL View Post
    Oh, I'd probably just look at them for twenty years or so trying to decide where they belong.
    If it makes any difference, Terry, that wide plank is actually two planks glued together. It was done so well that I only just discovered it. It's something else to work around along with a few checks and some sapwood on one plank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    Yes Sir, Jim - I will be following this thread as well - thanks for taking the time to post ! !


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    I know you like the catboat thread, Rick, so I'll try to get in a few days back there. I've got some interesting things lined up besides the planking.

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    Beautiful planks, going to be some mighty fine doors.
    Waiting for more pics...
    (Full tenon stiles and rails? Ooh la la!)
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    34 years ago I went in with another man on a small container of select (1/3 African (Utile) and 3/3 Honduras) Mahogany shipped to my door yard (M.L. Condon, NY
    2000 bf 12/4 clear random widths (over 12" width and all 20' lengths) for $5000 American
    Many of those "planks" were over 40" wide, why I didn't keep part of one to make a table with is just dumb.
    At 45 lbs/cu ft. 2 men could not carry one of the large Utile planks. We could however slide them out the end onto a fork lift.
    That woodpile did make a couple of extra fine small craft. (African below the waterline)
    I still marvel when I lie in the bunk and just follow my gaze remembering each plank and each challenge presented.

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    Looking forward to this.
    I seem to remember a very nice door being made for a garden shed? Curved top?
    I'll be interested in how you do the weather stripping on these new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Ledger View Post

    So, feel free to comment and post pictures of your own work, or even drag the internet for the most beautiful, outlandish and spectacular doors you can find. I'll be making two rather simple doors and will go step-by-step with commentary and photos.

    I found this pic online the other day. Doors are very important to a house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    I found this pic online the other day. Doors are very important to a house.

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    Some amazing examples there! Can you post the link to the original site?

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    Hooked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Yevsky View Post
    Some amazing examples there! Can you post the link to the original site?
    It was a Facebook post about doors of Brussels, Belgium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    I found this pic online the other day. Doors are very important to a house.

    That same picture showed up on my Facebook, Steven. The Art Nouveau style must be one of the most difficult styles to reproduce in wood, the curves, the delicacy, it reminds me of lace. One false note will ruin the whole thing. Luckily, though, I won't be attempting anything like it here, it wouldn't suit the house at all. One door is going to be Craftsman-y, sort of, and the other's going to be more contemporary.

    Thanks for sharing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Beautiful planks, going to be some mighty fine doors.
    Waiting for more pics...
    (Full tenon stiles and rails? Ooh la la!)
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    "Drifting in Honduras"...

    34 years ago I went in with another man on a small container of select (1/3 African (Utile) and 3/3 Honduras) Mahogany shipped to my door yard (M.L. Condon, NY
    2000 bf 12/4 clear random widths (over 12" width and all 20' lengths) for $5000 American
    Many of those "planks" were over 40" wide, why I didn't keep part of one to make a table with is just dumb.
    At 45 lbs/cu ft. 2 men could not carry one of the large Utile planks. We could however slide them out the end onto a fork lift.
    That woodpile did make a couple of extra fine small craft. (African below the waterline)
    I still marvel when I lie in the bunk and just follow my gaze remembering each plank and each challenge presented.

    I remember those planks, Jake, and have cut up a few. I also remember paying $2.50 a board foot for them. Clear cedar cost more back then.

    Yes to the full mortice and tenon treatment.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Looking forward to this.
    I seem to remember a very nice door being made for a garden shed? Curved top?
    I'll be interested in how you do the weather stripping on these new ones.

    You've got a good memory, Rich, the door you mention is now in need of a fresh coat of paint. As for the weatherstrip, I was hoping whoever it was here that put me onto that site with the weatherstrip that installs into a groove, will direct me once again. My plan is to rout a slot in the edge of the stop to receive the stop.


    This is the door that Rich is talking about. It's going to be difficult to achieve this kind of precision because I'm playing a much cheaper violin now than I was then.


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    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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    Getting subscribed with gratuitous 1910 door pic.
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    Accolade got new wheelhouse doors last spring, this is the second one coming from the clamps.

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    Adding some blocks for the round corners. Pencil shows the shape and width of rabbet for setting the original? glass. / Jim

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    I’m well and truly along for the education on this one Jim, ‘very much looking forward to see how you do them.
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    Jim, if that weatherstrip is shaped like a ' Capital P' , with the 'stem fitting into the slot on the stop, that is carried in 'big-box' stores in individual lengths ( in white / brown / tan ) . That is what I have in place on my own house doors - one piece on each side, a short piece on top .


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    Just think about all the fine brass accoutremonts you could cast for these doors. I am thinking some like a simple brass lion or elephant door knocker!

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    Hi Jim,
    Doors it is...
    Made seven and a half of these doors about 30 years ago for my fathers homebuilt 45' ketch. Solid Rimu rails, stiles and louvres.
    The louvres are recessed into slots in the stile, mortise and tenon joints, V grooved ply panel and home made stainless steel sliding bolt with Rimu knob.

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    The half door ( not hung in this photo) separated the galley from the saloon
    The painted door to the wheelhouse had a bifolding top half which allowed the air in while the bottom half kept the water out...Dad made that one.

    This old Kauri door became a table...just because.
    Copper sheeting from an old hotwater cylinder has been inlaid into the lower panels and replaced the glass panes.

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    Looking forward to your creation Jim.

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    Mike I love those doors! And the rolltop. Fantastic boat! I've made louvers in that style, i.e. where the louvers are not contained within the frame, but instead slide into thruogh slots. It's easier to glue up the the more usual method of having the slats housed in closed mortices. There's some fiddly fitting of the slats where they overhang the frame, but the overall effect is kinda "thicker" if you know what I mean. Another advantage is that it's easier (possible?) to replace a slat should one break, and you need less of them.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drift Boat Rick View Post
    Just think about all the fine brass accoutremonts you could cast for these doors. I am thinking some like a simple brass lion or elephant door knocker!

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    Rick, I have a wolfs head door knocker that might fit the bill. It'll looks good cast in bronze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    Jim, if that weatherstrip is shaped like a ' Capital P' , with the 'stem fitting into the slot on the stop, that is carried in 'big-box' stores in individual lengths ( in white / brown / tan ) . That is what I have in place on my own house doors - one piece on each side, a short piece on top .


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    Thanks, Rick, I'll check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
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    Lovely door you have there, John, and what's more important, I could probably make one like it. I might need some help with the colors, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas View Post
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    Accolade got new wheelhouse doors last spring, this is the second one coming from the clamps.

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    Adding some blocks for the round corners. Pencil shows the shape and width of rabbet for setting the original? glass. / Jim

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    Coupla good-looking doors, there, Jim. Are those bridle joints in the corner? Alaskan cedar? I'd like to see the finished product.

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    I've made a couple of line drawings, but before I begin cutting I'm making some hot-glued patterns to check the fit and look. It's a simple design, which, I think, is what the situation calls for. This door gets the thermopane units in all the spaces. The top will line up with the top of the windows so the trim follows the same line. There's not much to vary other than the width of the intermediate rails. The styles are sized to get two out of one plank, four and a half inches, or so.



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    Jim, that door location you show in post #30 looks to be pretty well exposed to the weather. Varnish? You are a glutton for work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpatrick View Post
    Jim, that door location you show in post #30 looks to be pretty well exposed to the weather. Varnish? You are a glutton for work.

    Jeff
    It's on the west side, north corner, which gets the winter wind head on. On the other hand, it only gets the late afternoon sun and is fairly well shaded by a row of pines. Another advantage is the two foot wide overhang, which keep most of the rain off except for heavy wind-driven rain. Once in place the door sits a half a foot inside the opening, which is not much, I know, but it's something. All in all it's a lot less exposed than any varnished transom out there.

    And, yes, Jeff, I am glutton for punishment, I thought that would be obvious by now.

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    You could get a tad fancy and have the panels and rails get a touch wider from top to bottom. No more real work, just gotta order different pieces of glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willin woodworks View Post
    You could get a tad fancy and have the panels and rails get a touch wider from top to bottom. No more real work, just gotta order different pieces of glass.

    Yeah, I could do that. I used to do that with drawer fronts when there were four or more drawers in a cabinet. It looks better than equal sizes when you're looking down at them.


    Here's the other end of the house. Just looking at this I think that I want to widen the top and middle rails by an inch, while keeping the top of the middle rail where it is. This will also make the width transition of the stiles more shallow. You can see the old door in the shadows.

    I have on old gear from a bulldozer that I want to hang in that space to the right. It's a nice one, about three feet across and all rusty. I've been meaning to hang it for a while now, but this might be the time.



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    Yes, yellow cedar; the joints are half-lap/shiplap?, I'm not up on proper terminology. I think the original doors were bridle joints.

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    I made liberal use of WEST products on this project / Jim

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    The finished product.

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    You can see where the styles are plumb and the rails are raked to align with the windows.
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