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    The congregant , Mr.Harmon died after he refused an inoculanation. His Pastor said that COVID-19 vaccines are a "personal decision for each individual to make with the counsel of medical professionals"

    His pastor should quit his job and find a different type of work, one where he has little contact with people. Disturbing and disgusting.
    https://abc7.com/stephen-harmon-covid-vaccine-covid-19-resistance/10907588/

    "Biden's door to door vaccine 'surveyors' really should be called JaCOVID Witnesses. #keepmovingdork," Harmon wrote the same day on Twitter.

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    Primitive superstitions still kill today, so sad.. No sympathies from me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofswen View Post
    The congregant , Mr.Harmon died after he refused an inoculanation. His Pastor said that COVID-19 vaccines are a "personal decision for each individual to make with the counsel of medical professionals"
    He's right. As a legal question, even the military has been unable to mandate the vaccine for its troops. Harmon was wrong. The pastor needed to say to his people that there is a moral obligation to others, but it does remain a personal decision.
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    Hey, he didn’t think it would hit him.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5...s-vaccinations


    Conservative radio host Phil Valentine has been hospitalized after contracting the coronavirus, with his family saying he regrets not getting the vaccine.

    His family said in a statement that he is suffering from “COVID Pneumonia” and is in the critical care unit. He needs breathing assistance but is not on a ventilator, Radio Online reported.

    Valentine has hosted “The Phil Valentine Show” for years on WWTN, speaking to his audience for four hours on weekdays.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/im-at-...g-for-his-life

    Valentine had repeatedly downplayed COVID-19 and dismissed guidance from health officials about the seriousness of the virus and the importance of getting vaccinated.

    In a blog post in December, days after doses of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine was first authorized for emergency use in the United States, Valentine said he was simply following the logic in deciding not to get vaccinated.

    “I’m not an anti-vaxxer,” he wrote. “I’m just using common sense. What are my odds of getting Covid? They’re pretty low. What are my odds of dying from Covid if I do get it? Probably way less than 1 percent. I’m doing what everyone should do and that’s my own personal health risk assessment. If you have underlying health issues, you probably need to get the vaccine. If you’re not at high risk of dying from Covid then you’re probably safer not getting it.”
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    His brother, Mark Valentine, posted an impassioned message to Facebook on Wednesday, suggesting that Valentine’s fight for his life “has persuaded me to go get vaccinated when I was previously not inclined to do so.”

    “Having seen this up close and personal I'd encourage ALL of you to put politics and other concerns aside and get it,” he added, noting that he wouldn’t wish his brother’s condition on his worst enemies.

    A day later, during an appearance on WWTN-FM in Nashville, Mark Valentine said his brother was regretful that he wasn’t a more vocal advocate for getting vaccinated.

    “For those listening, I know if he were able to tell you this, he would tell you, ‘Go get vaccinated. Quit worrying about the politics. Quit worrying about all the conspiracy theories,” he said.

    Mark Valentine insisted that while his brother had not been anti-vax, “he got this one wrong.”

    Just last month, Valentine even wrote and performed a parody song of the Beatles’ song “Taxman,” called “Vaxman” in which he appeared to mock vaccines.

    “Let me tell you how it will be,” he sang, “and I don’t care if you agree, ‘Cause I’m the Vaxman, yeah I’m the Vaxman. If you don’t like me coming round, be thankful I don’t hold you down.”

    Tennessee continues to rank among the lowest in the country for vaccination rates even as cases are rising largely from the highly contagious Delta variant.
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    Serves him right. I have no sympathy whatever.
    He played his cards and he took the gamble.
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    But he found a niche!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Valentine

    Film and television[edit]
    In August 2009 Valentine launched production of his documentary, An Inconsistent Truth, a rebuttal to Al Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth. His movie was premiered on January 26, 2012, and opened on January 27, 2012. For the first two weeks after the release, Truth was the top-grossing movie per screen in the country. At the time, it was playing at a single movie theater and earned a total of $36,439 for those two weeks.[10] It picked up second place at the Appalachian Film Festival in Huntington, West Virginia, in February 2012. The movie also won the Excellence in Filmmaking award at the Anthem Film Festival[11] and won Best Documentary at the Nevada Film Festival in Las Vegas.[12]

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    Default Re: Vaccines are a 'personal decision,' church founder says after congregant refuses

    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    He's right. As a legal question, even the military has been unable to mandate the vaccine for its troops. Harmon was wrong. The pastor needed to say to his people that there is a moral obligation to others, but it does remain a personal decision.
    Yes it does ultimatly, but as a Pastor, where is the compasion and say " medicine is a blessing" and declare that it is part of God's healing power? ( not my call ) Ultimatly, what purpose does this Pastor serve it not a hellish one?

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    A really stupid reason to die.
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    CW is right. The guy made a personal decision to endanger himself and others. Where does the Pastor stand on suicide, another personal decision?

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    This guy?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358
    LA man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines dies of virus

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    A California man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines on social media has died after a month-long battle with the virus.


    Stephen Harmon, a member of the Hillsong megachurch, had been a vocal opponent of vaccines, making a series of jokes about not having the vaccine.


    "Got 99 problems but a vax ain't one," the 34-year-old tweeted to his 7,000 followers in June.


    He was treated for pneumonia and Covid-19 in a hospital outside Los Angeles, where he died on Wednesday.


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    "Stephen Harmon, a member of the Hillsong megachurch, had been a vocal opponent of vaccines, making a series of jokes about not having the vaccine."

    Out PM is a Hillsong man, it's skated around here but it explains a lot. And especially his enthusiasm for donald.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    He's right. As a legal question, even the military has been unable to mandate the vaccine for its troops. Harmon was wrong. The pastor needed to say to his people that there is a moral obligation to others, but it does remain a personal decision.
    churches quite legally discriminate against all sorts of protected classes in the name of “freedom”.

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    He was right. A “vax” isn’t one of his problems. Fortunately for the rest of us he isn’t either.
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    https://bangordailynews.com/2021/07/...-has-covid-19/

    Rep. Chris Johansen, a Republican legislator from Monticello who has been an outspoken opponent of coronavirus restrictions, has reportedly contracted COVID-19.

    In a recording shared by Mainer News contributor Crash Barry, a man alleged to be Johansen said, “Listen up, I’ve got COVID and I’m really, really sick and I just don’t have time to talk to you today.”

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