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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    I’m not quite understanding the description or pic’s Gary but if it sits on the "horizontal beam" - do you mean the athwartship frame of the longitudinal? If you mean the athwartship frame I’d be inclined to just fillet and tape the bulkhead to the frame on both faces. It’d be stronger than a gusset and more durable - with the edge ply well sealed.
    Your understanding is correct Greg. I really don't like working with fibreglass. I did it with Redwing because I felt I had no choice, but with this boat I really want to keep any F/G to a minimum...and outside the cabin.
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    More dry fitting.

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    Minor flooding and excessive rain yet again. So not a lot was achieved, but I did get the starboard bulkhead gusset sorted.
    Starboard bulkhead gusset.jpg
    Getting close to a glue up.
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    Some work on the starboard side bulkhead framing. The vertical strut has been removed and almost all the paint stripped back on the framing. The cabin top patch has been removed from the aft cabin beam.
    SS paint stripped back.jpg

    View from outside.
    SS cabin top.jpg

    Cabin frame packing pieces dry clamped in place.
    SS packing strips.jpg

    I can almost smell the epoxy.
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    The only difference between this photo of the bulkhead framing and the one posted yesterday...is that this one shows everything glued in place. The second photo just shows a panel with a coat of epoxy on the outside face.
    Bulkhead framing glued in.jpg

    epoxied bulkhead panel.jpg
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    Bulkheads are in.
    Bulkheads glued in.jpg

    There is very little framing in a TS16 cabin, so to rebuild the cabin without simply removing the whole thing and starting from scratch requires some thought.
    So, my plan is to replace the aft bulkheads (done) then replace the windscreen piece (happening).
    Scribing in the bottom edge.
    Scribing windscreen 1.jpg

    Scribing closeup.jpg
    I'm thinking if I then replace the cabin top that should give good support to the cabin beams while I replace the cabin sides.
    I have also reached the point where I need to decide on port shapes. TS16 windows/ports tend to be quite large. I am thinking I would like smaller oval or elliptical ports.
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    Windscreen second trim, once the old screen is off I should be able to get the fit a bit better.
    Windscreen trimmed to fit.jpg
    For the ports, I'm thinking of doing the same shape as I did with Redwing. Also they are dead simple to mark out. Two parallel lines and 4 litre paint tin to do the end curves.
    So what do people think of the shape?
    Windscreen ports 1.jpg

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    I decided to make an oval port template for the cabin sides. Quite straightforward, once you get the brain to understand the geometry.
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    Looks wonky because it's not laying flat.
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    Hi Gary,
    I used this method to create an ellipse only last week, quick and simple.
    It would be an interesting exercise to try, just to see if you get the same shape.
    ellipse.jpg
    You can project as many lines out from the centre as you like, then it's just a case of joining the dots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1902 View Post
    Hi Gary,
    I used this method to create an ellipse only last week, quick and simple.
    It would be an interesting exercise to try, just to see if you get the same shape.
    ellipse.jpg
    You can project as many lines out from the centre as you like, then it's just a case of joining the dots.

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    I do like the shape.
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    I found an easier way to draw an ellipse.
    Marking out.jpg
    Using the template offcuts to get an idea of how it will look.
    A rough idea.jpg

    Starboard side windows were removed, I did try to get them off in one piece but the perspex was very brittle. The hole in the cabin top is where I removed an old patch that had been fastened with steel screws. The grabrail and hardware have been removed as well.
    cabinside and cabintop.jpg
    So, cabin side and windscreen dry fitted. Port positions marked in pencil to gauge how they will look...bit hard to see.
    Cabinside and windscreen temp fit.jpg
    Cabin side still needs the bottom edge scribed in so it's taller than it needs to be.
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    Yesterday and today were mostly spent removing the cabin top ply. The plan I had in mind was to get the ply off and then remove the paint from the cabin beams. Then work out how I could rebuild the cabin without ripping it all out.
    Deckhead framing.jpg
    However, creating a varnished interior that doesn't look patchy, is not really possible with what is there. I've come to the conclusion that it will be less frustrating to actually remove the cabin and rebuild it with clean timber and ply.
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    Bit of a diversion today, something more along the lines of putting timber back.
    Namely the port side cockpit seat and lockers. There's no fancy joinery here, just stuff butt-jointed together sans epoxy at this stage.
    It's all recycled timber from my racks so ignore the paint.
    Seat framing 1.jpg

    Seat framing 2.jpgI'd like to fit plastic locker hatches, and I did try to buy 4 from Ebay yesterday but for some reason, the sellers would not accept my mail to address...very frustrating.
    Of course I could save a lot of money and just do plywood hatch covers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I found an easier way to draw an ellipse.
    Marking out.jpg
    This looks like a drawing from one of my old math textbooks, t'was a long, long time ago. . .

    I stick my head in the door from time to time to see your progress. I appreciate the economy of your approach, recycling good used wood is commendable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamboat View Post
    This looks like a drawing from one of my old math textbooks, t'was a long, long time ago. . .

    I stick my head in the door from time to time to see your progress. I appreciate the economy of your approach, recycling good used wood is commendable.
    Most of the work involves relatively short lengths of timber, and I have a lot that fits the description. All those left over bits from projects that would come in handy one day.
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    In the spirit of not throwing anything out because it might be useful.
    The cabin ports will be bolted to the cabin sides but how to mark the actual cut out.
    You know the round bits you get when you use a hole saw?
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    A bit more mission creep today.
    The original plan was to fix the boat sufficiently to go sailing and then progressively bring the rest up to scratch...but, that is not what is happening.
    So with an afternoon, without external commitments, I figured I'd get the portside cockpit locker framing glued in. The locker floors originally were not fastened down, and with that in mind, I went to some trouble to repaint them. When I thought about it though, I figured they would be better fastened down...as in, glued down.
    Pre glue.jpg

    And all glued in.

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    I'm going to use these as the hatches on the lockers.

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    ^ A mistake in my humble opinion. Those would uglify all the good timber work. And the recesses for the levers are permanent water/dirt catchments (on horizontal plane)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Besserwisser View Post
    ^ A mistake in my humble opinion. Those would uglify all the good timber work. And the recesses for the levers are permanent water/dirt catchments (on horizontal plane)

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    Noted, but they will be mounted vertically with the hinge down.
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    I was going to mention the gungy water in the recesses of those hatches as well.
    They also break if stood on, so vertical is the best use of them.
    I know this from using them on Haumuri.

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    I did think about making plywood ones, but to be honest I'm having enough trouble getting time in the shed that I just don't want the extra work.
    I took the motor from my tablesaw into the electricians today, and it will probably be two weeks before he gets to look at it.
    I used one of the plastic hatches on Redwing and it held in quite well.
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    If it's for the vertical side of the cockpit seats, then the gungy water won't be a problem...but maybe ponder a bit on whether they're needed at all. Most ts16s have just open hatches under the seats for easy access to fenders, rope, buckets and the like. Hatch lids, esp hinged ones, can make things a bit cramped. Unless security is an issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Besserwisser View Post
    If it's for the vertical side of the cockpit seats, then the gungy water won't be a problem...but maybe ponder a bit on whether they're needed at all. Most ts16s have just open hatches under the seats for easy access to fenders, rope, buckets and the like. Hatch lids, esp hinged ones, can make things a bit cramped. Unless security is an issue...

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    I tend to agree, leaving the base of the cockpit seats open is much easier for storing oars, gaff, boom tent (when camping) etc and also allows clear air flow all around so that after you’ve washed down and put her away everything dries out much more effectively.

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    I think, if I was planning to race the boat then I would leave the space open. However I want to use the boat for camping cruising, so I'm going to stick with the hatches. If they turn out to be a pain then I can remove them, but as they have been bought...I'll use them.

    I trimmed up the cockpit seat panel and got a coat of epoxy on a few other panels. I then stabbed my finger with a screwdriver while trying to remove an old screw. So I figured it was nature's way of telling me to stop and go read a book.
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    A warm spring day and a bit more work done. I'm not sure what other people call it, but Hartley called it a belting. This is a 20mm square strip of timber that supports the outer edge of the deck and the capping (rubrail) that covers the edge of the deck ply. Those of you that have followed this rescue will remember the port quarter topside ply was one of the rotten sections that needed replacing...as did the section of belting.
    The new bit doing a dry fit. Note the hard spot showing up where the topside was repaired. The hull repair didn't seem that obvious.
    Belting hard spot.jpg

    And all glued up. I think I can fair out the hard spot, or at least make it less obvious.
    Belting glued on.jpg
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    Not much today. Cut the locker panels to fit.
    seat and locker panel 1.jpg
    The hatches arrived today, and not totally happy. The rubber seal is missing off one and is loose on another one.
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    The company are sending me an extra hatch free of charge. This works out perfectly, as I wanted 4 anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    The company are sending me an extra hatch free of charge. This works out perfectly, as I wanted 4 anyway.
    are they sending an extra rubber seal as well or will you need to source something to suit?
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    The seals aren't vital, but I'll see what I can find.
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    Cut outs for the portside hatches done.

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    They will be fitted the other way up.

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    Well, the big outside distraction has fizzled due to the incoming wet weather....so this means extra time in the shed.
    So first off was using the portside locker panel as a template for the starboard side locker panel.
    Marking out starboard side locker panel.jpg
    Locker panels are cut to size and seat panels still need some trimming.
    Seats and locker panels.jpg

    My next job, seeing how I was in jigsaw mode was to cut out the windscreen ports. I took my time and cut slow as I didn't want them to look lopsided.
    However, before I did a test fit I decided to rip out the old windscreen. With the cabin side I unbolted the perspex first, but it still broke up as I tried to remove it. With the windscreen, I didn't bother.
    Ripping off old windscreen.jpg
    The base piece is less than ideal, so like most of the cabin framing it will be replaced.
    Windscreen base piece.jpg

    The new windscreen temporarily fastened, more or less in place.
    Ports cut out.jpg
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    Yesterday I put a coat of epoxy on a few ply panels for the starboard side lockers and seat. I had hoped to do more of that today but the wet humid weather has set in. So I settled for a little bit of framing. The horizontal piece is just going to be butt strapped and butt jointed to the original. With the locker panel glued on the other side it should be more than strong enough.
    Locker framing 1.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post

    The new windscreen temporarily fastened, more or less in place.
    Ports cut out.jpg
    I like those ellipses! Looks like you're getting a lot done. Keep up the good work!
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