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    Sunday came around and I had the energy level of a boneless chicken...so I had a day off. .
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    A very small step, but the case log is glued back on. I have one more draw to finish for the kitchen and then I'm putting a couple...maybe three days into the boat. So, all goes well the centreboard case could be ready to glue back together next week.
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    Sunday again, and a bit more work. I've promised myself and SWMBO has agreed that I have a couple of boat days soon. Just have to finish the last kitchen draw.
    Anyway it was mix epoxy day today.
    I started with filling all the old screw holes and then it was cut the glass time.
    Ready to glass 1.jpg
    The glassing went well with almost the exact amount of epoxy mixed, and no voids in the glass.
    Glassed 1.jpg
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    The white patches are just residual primer. Note the floor, I swept it and tidied up a pile of stuff.
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    So, the other inside face is glassed, though it looks lumpy compared to the first one and I don't know why
    Side 2 glassed 1.jpg
    The wind today was a bit extreme so just to make sure it didn't all peel off the moment my back was turned I clamped the corners.
    Also glued the centreboard spacer pieces in place as well.
    spacer pieces glued in..jpg
    We've had an active covid case in the area so as of tomorrow we are all in lockdown for 7 days.
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    It was a miserably windy bloody day yesterday wasn’t it! 7 days lockdown? You’ll have this boat finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    It was a miserably windy bloody day yesterday wasn’t it! 7 days lockdown? You’ll have this boat finished.
    It would be nice to be able to just focus on the boat for a week, but the kitchen renovation continues.
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    At some stage i will be replacing the the cabin sides and the windows. I've never been a fan of the Hartley style windows and I'm finding it hard to choose a style.
    160562903_3979937532049028_51384782579716544_n.jpg
    However i came across this gaff rigged TS16 on Facebook and the Windows appealed to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    I saw a method for snugging up the cb without sandwiching it too tight; using some 10mm wide of strips of nylon inside the case. The same kind of plastic they make chopping boards out of, I think it's referred to as TEP.
    basically a couple of skids on the inside faces of the cb case that locate the cb.
    minimised surface area to jam the cb, and the material has a naturally quite 'greasy' texture.

    screwed on, screws recessed of course. The stuff is unlikely to welcome glue.

    I like the idea, a jammed cb is even more annoying than a sloppy one.
    I've also used that breadboard material for control and stability of dinghy dagger boards and agree it worked quite well. Strips of closed cell foam and of marine carpet were also good options. But for a swing board on a cruising trailer sailer, that sort of detail might be over-egging things a bit :-)


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    I cut new top rails for the centreboard case today, but I realised I have some very nice white beech that I can use. The timber I cut is fairly bland, whereas the white beech has a rather beautiful fiddleback grain...I'll cut new ones tomorrow. Here's a photo of the bland ones plus an example of fiddleback in a drawer handle.
    Top rails 1.jpg

    And the fiddleback.
    Draws 1.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    At some stage i will be replacing the the cabin sides and the windows. I've never been a fan of the Hartley style windows and I'm finding it hard to choose a style.
    160562903_3979937532049028_51384782579716544_n.jpg
    However i came across this gaff rigged TS16 on Facebook and the Windows appealed to me.
    safe_image.php.jpeg.jpg
    I'm not a fan of the long window shown. The diagonal at the back doesn't work for me.
    I like the little round ones below.

    The windows are hardly practical, its not like you'll be below making dinner and keeping an eye out for tankers.

    Just looking at the standard windows... They look like the ones I'm putting on my doghouse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    I'm not a fan of the long window shown. The diagonal at the back doesn't work for me.
    I like the little round ones below.

    The windows are hardly practical, its not like you'll be below making dinner and keeping an eye out for tankers.

    Just looking at the standard windows... They look like the ones I'm putting on my doghouse!
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    Okay, the white beech is at the back of that stack...time to build a timber rack.
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    Timber rack, first job of the morning.
    New timber rack.jpg
    All that stuff beneath it belongs to my son. He is supposed to be building a shed for it, but he's not exactly motivated.
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    White Beech. A recycled kitchen shelf, I had to cut 6@20mm wide to get 3 good ones.
    6 for 2.jpg
    One has been rounded off and sanded, the other is raw cut.
    1 sanded 1 not.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    White Beech. A recycled kitchen shelf, I had to cut 6@20mm wide to get 3 good ones.
    6 for 2.jpg
    One has been rounded off and sanded, the other is raw cut.
    1 sanded 1 not.jpg
    Must have been a big/long kitchen shelf!!!

    I don't have any experience with White Beech, so I had to look it up. Learn something new every day! It looks like sand off very smooth. How is it with rot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishoutaFlorida View Post
    Must have been a big/long kitchen shelf!!!

    I don't have any experience with White Beech, so I had to look it up. Learn something new every day! It looks like sand off very smooth. How is it with rot?

    Recycling is the way to go. Especially if you can get materials like that!
    This is Australian white beech, it's what I would call a soft timber as it's easy to sand smooth. Looks bland but varnish really brings out the fiddle back grain. The photo makes it look longer than it is, it's under 2 metres anyway. Externally it's fine varnished.
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    A comparison between a coat of varnish and bare timber.
    Varnished unvarnished 1.jpg

    I'm using Norglass 2 pack primer for the inside face of the centreboard case, and as all my topcoats are going to be 2 pack, the rest of the boat as well.
    After mixing it needs to sit for ten minutes, which gave me time to dust and wipe a section of the boat in case I had leftover paint.
    Preparing primer.jpg
    And primered...which Grammarly tells is not a word it recognises.
    Inside face primered.jpg
    The clamped timber is only there to give a paint edge.
    Turns out I did have leftover paint, so the boat a bit as well.
    Some primer.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
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    Thinking about a tabernacle mast mount for the JR conversion...when I get around to it.
    I like this design, though instead of a timber mast, mine will likely be a 6.5m x 80mm x 3mm Aluminium tube.
    http://www.jimsboats.com/15jul14.htm...l%20Tabernacle
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    That Beech is transformed with a little varnish! I picked up some seeds from some sort of botanical reserve when visiting one of my daughters in Gladstone, Queensland that I thought were beech, but my wife insists they're coastal quandong. I dunno but she's too big and mean to argue with. You're making some serious progress Gary. I might yet live to see the launch photos JayInOz

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    I should be back on the water early next year Jay...so hang in there mate.
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    Nothing exciting today, just lots of scrubbing out dirt.
    Cleaning inside hull.jpg

    Also, while looking up at the mast I noticed these two holes where something use to be...I'm wondering what?
    holes in mast.jpg
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    I've been thinking about how to sand back the centerboard slot in the keelson. I figured a thin board with abrasive on both sides might work. All I would have to do is side it up and down in the slot...so MKl. I figured it would need some work.
    MKl.jpg
    It would have worked but with the abrasive attached it was too wide.
    So MKll, I thought instead of up and down, how about I side it back and forth. Two thin timber guides would hold the top edge on top of the keelson.
    MKll.jpg
    It works, but I used 10mm ply and it's not as tight a fit as it could be.
    MKll in use.jpg
    I'm not really a fan of sanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    MKll.jpg
    It works, but I used 10mm ply and it's not as tight a fit as it could be.
    MKll in use.jpg
    I'm not really a fan of sanding.
    Who is?

    Innovative solution there. The lower photo looks fairly tight. How wide does the slot need to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishoutaFlorida View Post
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    Innovative solution there. The lower photo looks fairly tight. How wide does the slot need to be?
    It's about 20mm. Basically I just want to smooth off the paint that is already there and key the surface for some fresh paint.
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    With the centerboard slot just about ready to prime, it pays to have a few other bits to use up leftover paint.
    Today it was stripping the peeling paint off the rudder stock.
    Before.
    Rudder 1.jpg

    And after.
    Rudder 2.jpg

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    Bunnings sell a small Ozito belt sander that fits into a Hartley centreboard slot - very useful & its cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil.henderson View Post
    Bunnings sell a small Ozito belt sander that fits into a Hartley centreboard slot - very useful & its cheap.

    Regards Neil
    Good to know. While tidying up the shed I found some 200mm wide coarse abrasive belts about 300mm long. I found that squashing it flat and sliding it into the slot, and then sliding it back and forth it did the job.
    So, today I did that plus. sanded the hull between the keelson and the 1st stringer either side of the slot, and then sanded the transom.
    No promises but I just might be ready to refit the centreboard case in about a week.
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    Getting my head around the class rules to see if they fit in with what I want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Getting my head around the class rules to see if they fit in with what I want to do.

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    Some surreptitious lead deftly inserted at the base of the centreboard - no, not in the rules, but it's been done :-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitziel View Post
    Some surreptitious lead deftly inserted at the base of the centreboard - no, not in the rules, but it's been done :-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitziel View Post
    Some surreptitious lead deftly inserted at the base of the centreboard - no, not in the rules, but it's been done :-0

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    For what purpose? The CB is steel plate and weighs enough as it is, I don’t think the extra weight would offer any real benefit other than perhaps in serious racing ..... and if it’s against class rules why would you?
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    Oracles pre-regatta boat for the San Francisco America's Cup was found to have lead in the wrong places and they got docked a point for the match.
    It happens everywhere all the time, all the way up the food chain Larks.

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