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    Quote Originally Posted by FishoutaFlorida View Post
    I like those ellipses! Looks like you're getting a lot done. Keep up the good work!
    Thanks, I'm getting a bit of time most days. Though maybe not today, the forecast is for between 120mm and 200mm of rain.
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    Not a good day for epoxy coating, so it's clean up the grabrails.
    Grabrail 1.jpg
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    And the starboard side framing is in.
    Framing glued in 2.jpg
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    Cockpit locker panels glue on.
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    Today was taken up with cutting strips of glass cloth from scraps, and getting the locker floors glued in.
    Locker floors glued in 1.jpg

    Locker floors glued in 2.jpg
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    Looks like good progress Gary.

    Something possibly worth remembering down the track, not because you wouldn’t be aware of it but because, like me, you may just not think about it at the time: if your TS16 is as well balanced on the trailer as mine was the weight of gear stored in those lockers under the side thwarts with nothing much countering it stowed in the cabin can be just enough to get the trailer fishtailing down the road. And because those lockers are such good storage spots it’s possible that the gear in them will become a little “out of site out of mind” when you go to trailer it. In my case I had two of those plastic kayaks poked through the hatch and sitting either side of the CB case and I’d poked just the sails (in sail bags) and rigging under the side thwarts rather than stowing them forward in the cabin as I’d usually do and that small amount of imbalance was enough to give me a bit of a scare heading up to Noosa on the motorway one Christmas.
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    Well worth remembering Greg. I had one hell of a scare with a trailer load of waaay too much timber one time.
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    I had planned on getting the lockers undercoated today, but a close look indicated a bit more filling was needed.
    Filling 1.jpg
    Even though I won't be using the original rig, I'm going to put the mast step back on for two reasons. One, I can use the original mast to help heel the boat over to repair the bottom and paint it. Two, whoever has the boat after me may wish to refit the boat for a BM rig.
    This is the timber packer that goes under the step.
    Timber packer 1.jpg

    And with all the old paint stripped off.
    Timber packer 2.jpg

    Finally, with no date on when I shall have a decent table saw again. I've dragged this little toy out of storage.
    Small table saw.jpg
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    Cockpit lockers with two coats of primer, I'm feeling rather happy about that.
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    Looking at the photo, I realised I'm missing a beam on the port side.
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    it’s always a little surprising what you might pick up in a photo that you wouldn’t notice otherwise - they keep you honest
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    So, the missing side deck beam.
    I recently dismantled a number of Anglican church trestle tables we had been given. These tables are old, maybe dating back to the 1950s. Anyway, all Hoop pine.
    Piece of trestle table.jpg
    Not a right angle in either end...this was my second attempt.
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    1950's = old!

    A friend of mine lives next to a 6th century church. It's not even looked after by the gubmint, there's too many of those things around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    1950's = old!

    A friend of mine lives next to a 6th century church. It's not even looked after by the gubmint, there's too many of those things around.
    Yep old, you know we don't like old stuff. We knock it all down, and build stuff that looks like everywhere else.
    Anyway, finally getting some gloss on bits. Namely the underside of the cockpit seats/side decks...and both cockpit locker compartments.
    Gloss coat underside seats.jpg

    Locker gloss coat.jpg
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    nice to see some finishes going in Gary.
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    First a little bit of catch up. At some stage in November/December I glued down the cockpit seats, but no photo...you will just have to take my word for it.
    So, after a very busy December and most of January, I have managed a few hours yesterday and today. I'm now onto an exciting bit; replacing the cabin.
    The cabin sides have been cut out for quite awhile so they look a bit faded.
    Test fitting the starboard cabin side.
    test fitting the starboard cabin side.jpg

    The aft end was a bit rough so that was tidied up.
    This is the before photo.
    Marking the edge for a better fit.jpg

    Once that was done I used a handsaw to put in vertical cuts above each cabin frame. I then ran a batten along the base of each cut on the outside to give me a line to trim the top edge to.

    starboard cabin side scribing the top edge.jpg
    The outside line matched the angle of the deck beams. This shows the bevel.
    starboard cabin side top edge trimmed and bevelled.jpg
    Note the old cabin sides are still in place.

    On to the port side. The windows were fastened with a crazy number of fiddly small brass bolts. Removing them was tedious.
    portside fiddly bolts.jpg
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    Test fitting the port side after some trimming.
    2nd test fit port cabin side.jpg
    And that is where I am up to.
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    A few small steps yesterday.
    getting the top edge of the port cabin side scribed.
    scribing port side top.jpg

    And ready for the planer.
    Port side top scribed.jpg

    The windscreen top beam is quite thin, so I figured the best way to clean it up was to remove it.
    Port side, no screws.
    removing windscreen top beam.jpg

    The starboard side however had two screws that did not want to come out. However, I found holding and twisting a screwdriver while tapping it with an American screwdriver (hammer) worked a treat.
    removing screw.jpg
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    I had thought of just cleaning up the lower windscreen beam, but closer inspection showed it to be somewhat sad...and loose.
    removing.jpg

    Once it was removed I used a flapper disc on the angle grinder to clean up the area.
    sanded back.jpg
    The new one came out of a board from an old trestle table.

    marking out.jpg

    The blade in the jigsaw was blunt, so I figured I'd try cutting it out a different way.

    cutting.jpg
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    And the end result.
    end result.jpg
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    Whatever works Gary. I’ve watched Vietnamese boat builders use only a large circular saw to cut all of the hull and frame planks on their fishing boat builds, regardless of the curve or shape they had to cut
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    I do like my new Metabo.
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    To misquote Simply Red.
    Sanding back the years.
    sanding back the years.jpg

    Dry fitting the lower windscreen piece.
    Dry fitting lower windscreen piece.jpg
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    Cutting out the ports in the cabin sides was a little trepidatious today. get it wrong and it means buying yet another sheet of plywood.
    Anyway it's done, and it doesn't look too bad.

    Repositioned porthole locations.jpg

    ports cut out.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Whatcha pullin off the deck there Gary?
    Looks like paper. Paint coming off in swathes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Whatcha pullin off the deck there Gary?
    Looks like paper. Paint coming off in swathes?
    I don't really know, but i think it's a latex type paint.
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    Despite having to drive an older friend ( note: at the age of 70 I don't call older friends elderly anymore. ) to the hospital. I did manage a bit more work.
    The lower windscreen beam is glued in.
    Base piece glued in.jpg

    Base piece glued in 2.jpg

    I also epoxy coated the upper windscreen beam and No 4 cabin beam. I did manage to drop the cabin beam on the shed floor, which meant wiping the sawdust off it and redoing it.
    Upper windscreen beam and No 4 frame epoxy coated.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Despite having to drive an older friend ( note: at the age of 70 I don't call older friends elderly anymore. ) to the hospital. I did manage a bit more work.
    The lower windscreen beam is glued in.




    I also epoxy coated the upper windscreen beam and No 4 cabin beam. I did manage to drop the cabin beam on the shed floor, which meant wiping the sawdust off it and redoing it.
    ‘you building a boat or a car Gary??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    ‘you building a boat or a car Gary??
    In the Hartley books it's referred to as the windscreen, I suppose I could call it the cabin front.
    It does have windows in it.
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    Another bit back on. The plastic is to stop any glue contact with the old cabin sides.
    Top beam in closeup.jpg

    Top beam in.jpg
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    Very engrossing thread, Gary. My earliest sailing experience was in a Hartley TS, in Spencer Gulf in SA as a kid. Following this (belatedly) with great interest.

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    Thanks Alex. I shall do my best to keep it interesting.
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    The Hartley 16 Nationals are currently being held here in Napier.
    Sixteen entrants, one particular boat has taken out the first six races.
    Three more races today to finish.
    Start of the cyclone weather is supposed to hit about lunchtime, could be an interesting conclusion.

    Keep up the good work.

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    An extremely unpleasant day heat and humidity-wise. However, I was determined to see some change.
    The cabin front is glued in place.
    Cabin front glued on 2.jpg
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    Cabin side suffering molecular deficiency.
    cabinside removed 1.jpg

    cabinside removed 2.jpg

    cabinside removed 3.jpg
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