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    I VOTED

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarixMaximus View Post
    This is getting more interesting. Can i guess because of the internal framing, that it will be only glassed on the outside?
    It will only be glassed on the outside because there is quite a bit of framing. The frames/floors are 25" to 35" apart and of course 4 stringers running the length of the boat. All of the above will have epoxy fillets and 3 layers of cloth tape and epoxy at the keel, floors, frames, and stringers.

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    The boat designer, Kurt Cerny, came for a consultation for the first time since construction began. He had a couple more pages of new plans and I had numerous questions and was having some difficulty getting part of the curvature in the bow.

    I think the project is getting more fun because we can work on different parts of it instead of just one part like the stringers. I tried a sample piece of strip planking and had to make several improvements. The 1/2" temporary frames would not hold a fastener so I placed a 3/4" pine piece against each temporary frame. I changed screw sizes and pad blocks. I think I'm dialed in now. We milled the first planking strips today and that seems like a milestone. We are using Atlantic white cedar 3/4" thick by 1 1/8" wide. There is very little waste when making them that size but they also work good on the boat. We assembled the last part of the temporary jig that forms the sheer clamp.

    We also milled the fir for the first glue up of the shear clamp. It takes a tight bend at the bow so it is a 1/4" thick. This new Dewalt planer works great and it easy to use.












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    i love rolling my planer(like yours) to the back door of the barn which is on the down wind side

    w/ the front door open a floor standing 20" fan at my back and the planer's exhaust port is pointed down wind clean up is reduced by heaps

    the leaf blower finishes the job w/ ease

    more pics please

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    It seems like things are moving along good since my last post. We glued up the starboard sheer clamp. The shear really defines the shape of the boat in plan and the profile. I'm satisfied with it but we had a kink or two in it. The only thing I know to do is add filler in the low spots. The shear clamp is 32' long and we used 97 clamps in this glue up.











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    Nice, Walt.

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    Walt,
    Even in the shop the boat sorta disappears in the distance!
    Big boat!
    I enjoy your updates.
    Regards,
    Alan.

    At 17' the bow is just right over there!
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    My shop is in a constant state of disorganization. The first picture in the last thread I was standing on a step ladder with my head stuck to the ceiling. The boat is very big in the shop. We debated about how close we could get it to the wall and at the last minute we moved it 6" more away from it and really glad we did.
    That's a cool 17' boat. Is it featured on this forum?

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    I bought the West Metering pump for dispensing the epoxy. It was a little pricey at $350 but with a couple of modifications I am very pleased with it. I called West before we glued up these stringers and they said forget the pumps just pour appropriate ratios together in containers. I did that but we had some waste. I use graduated 2 1/2 quart pails and they worked good for larger epoxy usage. Back to the pump, the handle seemed too short and not much leverage to push down on it. Also the unit would flip over if you push down on the lever without holding onto the base. Seemed like you need 3 hands, one for the container, one to hold the unit, and the other for pushing on the pump handle. I bolted the unit to a larger plywood base and built an oak extension handle. We used it on the last glue up and I'm thrilled with it. I figure I will probably use it at least 500 pumps in the building of this boat.
    We completed the 1st outboard stringer by bonding the shorter section to the 24' section. We beveled the end to fit the transom and sanded the sides. It's nice to have one thing completed. In an earlier thread, I said we had started milling, planking, and have since calculated it will take 5,145' of strips to complete the boat. Just slightly under a mile!












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    Hello Walt,

    Although I'm having a VERY good time building this 17' boat I don't think it in anyway exemplifies a boat project that anyone could learn from.
    I'm embarrassed to record what a butcher I am.
    So no thread for it on this forum.

    It's the opposite of your project which shows just what building a rather BIG boat involves.

    Regards,
    Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan71 View Post
    Hello Walt,

    Although I'm having a VERY good time building this 17' boat I don't think it in anyway exemplifies a boat project that anyone could learn from.
    I'm embarrassed to record what a butcher I am.
    So no thread for it on this forum.

    It's the opposite of your project which shows just what building a rather BIG boat involves.

    Regards,
    Alan
    Well your project looks very interesting to me.
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    It's the first time I've seen Alan's build too. Looks great! I'll second the request for a thread on that one. (And now I'll go back to lurking here)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan71 View Post
    Is this framing set up for what is called seam-batten planking?

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    Looks good to me too.
    If that is considered butchery...then I might be in trouble...

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    Hello Folks,

    LM, Yes I'm thinking that what I'm trying to build is a seam/batten planked boat.

    All, I appreciate your comments.
    I'll reconsider starting a thread and hope that my intrusion here hasn't derailed Walt's thread in any way.
    You'll see a new thread if I decide to continue but I'm not going to respond anymore here. The last thing I want is to high-jack Walt's thread!!!

    Regards,
    Alan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan71 View Post
    Hello Folks,

    LM, Yes I'm thinking that what I'm trying to build is a seam/batten planked boat.

    All, I appreciate your comments.
    I'll reconsider starting a thread and hope that my intrusion here hasn't derailed Walt's thread in any way.

    Regards,
    Alan
    The garboards at the forefoot might be tricky. They will try to lay convex, when you need hollow. You mignt need steam and to clamp formers in way of the frames to push hollow into the plank stock.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Umm, I missed the beginning of the party... but yes, yes I do want to see you build a 30' Chesapeake Deadrise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan71 View Post
    Hello Folks,

    LM, Yes I'm thinking that what I'm trying to build is a seam/batten planked boat.
    Thank you. I may have more questions when you start a thread. Not a construction usually seen here.

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    We have removed the stringers several times for beveling. We mark them in place , remove them, and power plane close to the line. We always get concerned that we have planed too much and placed the stringer back in the building jig. We have them almost finished so I began the process of epoxying the shorter aft sections to the long stringer. I also needed to cut a 15 degree angle on the aft end to mate up with the transom. The completed stringers look really neat as they widen to almost a foot deep at the stern. In the original plans the in board stringers were 3" deeper that the out board ones. When the designer visited recently he says the out board stringers depth needed to be increased by 3" but I could do this after rolling the boat over. The more I thought about it it would be easier to do now. I spent most of last week making a new wider section and epoxying all of the deeper stringers together. I had to increase the notch in the building jig and although it is temporary I had to reinforce it with 2 x 2's. I have spent many hours modifying the building jig but I think it will pay off when I start planking. I am constantly trying a test sample of planking and there is a large amount of pressure on it at the stem. I added 3/4" boards on both sides of the stem for a better screw holding. I have a huge pile of scrap wood in my shop that only gets larger with each project except this boat. I am using it daily for temp. parts of the boat. Some of the wood I just cut up was from an ugly mantle I removed in a modern house.














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    Hello Walt,

    Seriously BIG parts being made for a serious big boat!

    I love seeing how you're going about building this boat.

    Are there any boats of this type and size still being made from wood in the Chesapeake area or are they typically fiberglass now?

    Regards,
    Alan

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    No there are no wooden boats being built on the Bay that I know of. The Deltaville Museum is building one and there is a man in Reedville who builds skiffs and can build a boat of any size. I try to stay in touch and I know of no one who builds them to sell. All of the watermen tell me their boats were built in the 80's.

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    Well I thought there would be some comments on the epoxy pumps modification. I don't get a lot of comments on my projects and that gives me less incentive to post but on the other hand I don't have to respond to the them. Alan showed his boat on here and that was fine except it got 5 comments from Nick and 2 others who have never commented on this project since it started. Seems kind of rude.

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    nice pump Walt

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    Just for the record, Walt, I read and enjoy all of your posts on this and previous threads. I don't comment much because what you're doing is beyond my experience and skills, so I have nothing to contribute. I just sit back and admire the finely honed skills and craftsmanship on display.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swoody126 View Post
    nice pump Walt

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    Haha, you are the one that gave me the good rating. Thank you.

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    lonely at the top ...

    aint it Walt ?

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    Hello Walt,

    I have the luxury, (advanced age), to be able to spend as much time as I want looking at several boat building forums everyday!

    I look for a new post from you everyday and always hope for lots of photos. I like to see what you're doing and HOW you're doing it.

    Please continue to document what you're building here!

    Regards,
    Alan

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    And I guess many people would drool other a little shop tour, you seems to have some nice pieces of equipment there !! Looking forward for more nice pics of nice job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woxbox View Post
    Just for the record, Walt, I read and enjoy all of your posts on this and previous threads. I don't comment much because what you're doing is beyond my experience and skills, so I have nothing to contribute. I just sit back and admire the finely honed skills and craftsmanship on display.

    What Dave said here, Walt, plus one ( me ) - In my wildest dreams, I could never build what you have done here, and with the houseboat previously. So, I look on from the sidelines as you, Ledger, Chris Stevens, and others contribute the 'blood, toil, tears, and sweat' to make these watercraft a reality. It is the best way to relax / decompress from a stressful day that I have found. Please do continue to document this build, knowing that lots of folks are watching from 'the cheap seats' here.

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    Thank you. I have more work to post when my wife gets home from work. She does all the typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    What Dave said here, Walt, plus one ( me ) - In my wildest dreams, I could never build what you have done here, and with the houseboat previously. So, I look on from the sidelines as you, Ledger, Chris Stevens, and others contribute the 'blood, toil, tears, and sweat' to make these watercraft a reality. It is the best way to relax / decompress from a stressful day that I have found. Please do continue to document this build, knowing that lots of folks are watching from 'the cheap seats' here.
    Ha! No way does my name belong in that company. Walt, I’m just following along with everyone else. With no comment but much appreciation. I spent several years in Maryland and still have a lot of affection for the Chesapeake and the boats of that region. Please continue!
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    Shop tour- that's a great idea. I'll do that.

    We milled 8 more fir strips and scarfed the ends for the last 3 layers of the starboard sheer clamps. My wife and I did the glue up and it was more than we could handle. The difficulty is keeping the top and bottom of the strips aligned and the floppiness. It is completed and after 3 glue up sessions and 3 different laminate thicknesses it came out to the specified width of 2 1/2". It feels very strong with the curves and lamination's.

    I improved on my scarfing jig by adding a box that would slide over the saw fence and keep the jig from tracking into the saw blade. I have several hundred scarfs to do for the planking.

    We needed more fir for the port sheer clamp. I bought out my local building supply. I called Yukon Lumber in Norfolk,Va and they could get whatever I wanted. They also do mill work so I asked for a price for milling 24 strips 5/16" thick by 12' long and it came to $70. I thought that was great. I called a place in MD and they quoted me a price on 5/4 x 6 fir of $12 foot! Wood prices are crazy. I picked up the wood from Yukon Saturday and they are great to deal with.

    Another difficult part of these lamination's is staggering the joints. For the port side sheer clamp I made a scale pattern of the laminate schedule. We are going to try to do it in one glue up with more people. I never can show a glue up because I'm covered with epoxy and frantically clamping it together before it hardens. I did come up with a unique trick of applying epoxy to the strips placing them altogether and wrapping them with cable ties. The clamping starts at the bow and you just snip the cable tie as you get to it. Worked pretty good but you still had to use 80 clamps.














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