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    Default reviving an old project - searunner

    This may be another "free boat" thread
    I've been offered a free boat... well maybe about 68% of one - a jim brown Searunner 31 or 34

    Project started in the late 70's in a pole barn, the builder for reasons unknown to me as of yet, did not finish.
    there it sat, waiting dry. roof caved in a few years ago, doing little damage.
    they tried to keep water out of the boat best they could but still some got in and sat in the lowest bilge area, although the interior seems to be fully finished in epoxy

    My wife and I looked at it and of course fell in love with the layout and the potential there to outfit a boat how we want while still keeping it simple.

    of course I have many concerns about an old plywood boat, with parts that have gotten wet.

    has anybody ever "re-bottomed" one of these?

    what type of truck-trailer does this boat take to move?

    we talked about maybe having to remove the ama's for transport, but being the way its built I'm not sure that even a good idea, or is it?

    of course I plan on doing alot more research on these boats.
    I'm not afraid of wood & epoxy, and I know enough to know I can easily learn more.

    but first we have to figure out if the hull is even viable. Then there's the cost of the move.

    If we do get this boat we plan on sharing the project in some form on youtube, just like everyone else we watch

    TIA for any helpful advise.

    and yes, I know....RUN!

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    Pictures would help a lot.
    I assume the amas are solidly built to the boat?
    Not one intended to dissassemble?

    You might try to contact Jim Brown, he would know the most and has a web site.
    https://www.searunner.com/index.php
    I saw a contact number for John Marples - Brown's partner on the site. Perhaps he could get you in touch.

    Good luck, these were the first tri's to excite me.

    What do you mean 68%?

    Do they still have the plans?

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    68% might be a little high. 'm making a guess really.
    the hulls are complete and joined to the main hull.
    interior cabinetry looks mostly finished.
    -no rig, winches or anything
    -no electrical
    -no plumbing
    -didnt see an engine
    -no steering linkage/engine controls
    -portholes are cut but no windows

    dagger board and rudder look beautiful, but not installed yet
    its basically a stripped out hull, except its never had anything in it.

    I've got pics I will post soon, I've gotten scans of the builders journal and some pics during construction
    I hope they have the plans

    I'm still young but not real stranger to boats, two years ago my wife and i spent 8 months sailing up the coast from Charlotte harbor, dry tortuga's, then all the way home to lake superior on a 2001 catalina 470 named Dragons Lair.
    the owner, my friend invited us along because i've been his chief engineer for 6+ years while we ran a speedboat rental business.

    The opportunity for us to get our own boat suddenly surprised us the other day, and couldn't come at a better time with all life's ups and downs
    But we still need to be real and manage our expectations

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    project started in 1982 the day after the lumber was delivered. has been sitting since 88 in the shed.
    Last edited by ChasingTheDragon; 09-16-2021 at 09:35 PM.

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    DSCN3974.jpg
    after the roof callapsed it was cleared away and replaced with this and sheets of metal roofing under it to try and save it from the winters up here

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    You have a major job on that. If you have to replace any bottom areas with new, it begins to look like a new build. Then, the hull is only a % of the finished boat. The rig and sails, along with the repairs, may put this into a project that gets into big figures.
    Get some quotes on mast and boom, along with sails, then think again about the other bits and that is after you have reserected the hull.
    Big boats have surprisingly big costs that you don't expect.

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    That’s a rather odd looking cabin top set up - is that how she’s designed? Not something that I’d call particularly handsome.

    One big question here is how much will it cost you to get the hull out from where it is sitting and moved to where you can work on it? To be brutally honest I’m thinking that 68% being “a little high” is an understatement when you start mapping out what else needs to be done to her and what other equipment and materials you’ll need to buy and the cost of moving and materials may not make the project that attractive or viable. Will you need to pay yard space while you work on it or do you have somewhere that you can park it long term at no cost?

    I’d be a little more brutal in trying to make my head rule my heart on this one. You really need to sit down and honestly cost up what she needs to finish her and how long she’ll take.....and then double that time frame.

    Then have a bit of a look around at what else might be available for the same budget and judge whether she is really a viable project for you.
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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    Larks,

    That's the standard design of a Searunner 37 and others.
    I Goggled it for you: https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...8&d=1547830125

    I am really surprised at you slamming another man's choice of boat - without even looking.
    You've been here a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upchurchmr View Post
    Larks,

    That's the standard design of a Searunner 37 and others.
    I Goggled it for you: https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...8&d=1547830125

    I am really surprised at you slamming another man's choice of boat - without even looking.
    You've been here a long time.
    “Slamming” is a bit of an exaggeration don’t you think? I did look - at the photo above - and subsequently simply asked if that is how she is designed and said that it’s not what I’d call particularly handsome, it’s a personal opinion, not a “slamming".

    But thankyou for linking the photo of the Searunner 37 (OP said that this one is a 31 or 34), although even that doesn’t look like the exaggerated “top hat” shape of the aft end of the cabin as shown in the photo above.
    Last edited by Larks; 09-16-2021 at 02:40 AM.
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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    This may be of use, I can’t attest to its accuracy but it suggests that the hull structure including appendages (hull, deck, keel and rudder) accounts for 16% of the full cost of building a yacht. It seems a little low but at the very least the list of other costs that he’s provided would give you a good basis for estimating your overall completion costs of the free hull.

    https://nordkyndesign.com/the-cost-of-yacht-building/
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    My first sizable boat project was a total rehab of a Searunner 25. That took 18 months, and involved refinishing the entire boat inside and out. The cabin tops and decks were shot from rain intrusion, but the hulls were solid - even with rotting leaves in places. I replaced the decayed wood mast with a second-hand aluminum one and used a lot of other second-hand parts to get her back in the water. I was on a very tight budget, but I got the boat running and it served me well for 8 or 9 years.

    But all that aside, these boats are extremely comfortable and sea kindly. The big central cockpit puts most other boats to shame with it's combination of sprawling space and almost complete protection from spray. The hulls are a complex mix of stringers and bulkheads that produce a zillion places, large and small, to stow things.

    If there's a down side it's that compared to most any more recent trimaran designs, these are not fast boats. They are designed as reliable cruisers and excel at that. But they will outpace most any mono of similar length. My 25 performed on par with a typical 36- to 40-foot monohull. And about all that stowage space -- if you get carried away use it to excess the boat will get bogged down, she's designed to run light.

    Cutting the boat up to move it seems a bad idea all around. Is there no way to get it to a nearby waterway and tow it to a yard for completion?
    -Dave

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    You might be wise to check out dockage and storage fees before you do anything.
    A dock space wide enough for this boat will cost much more than a normal dock.

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    A "free" boat? Yes - run - very far!

    As someone who has also been "gifted" several free boats over the years - I can relate.....there is a "free" scaled down Tancook Schooner in Cleveland craigslist right now that I keep thinking about.....
    Make sure you go into this with "eyes wide open" and have a good understanding of all the costs involved with this project - the moving and storing a boat of this size and width alone would be taunting to me....I do not see how you could move a 31 ft tri this wide on a flat bed due to most states restrictions on trailer width - pretty sure you would have to take off the outer hulls / amas to move it....and how would that work?
    Cost of sails, mast, boom, rigging, engine, etc can grow pretty quickly on a boat this size....what is your expected budget for this? Do you have the time and money to see it to fruition?
    I do not want to appear to be walking you off the ledge of your dream, if this is your dream, you should go for it! But be sure you know what you are getting into, etc......
    I have always wanted a trimaran and fell in love with the much smaller Dick Newick designed Tremolino years ago (used Hobie 16 hulls as the outer hulls and Hobie mast / sails etc to keep cost down).....maybe someday!

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    You likely already have this info, but from the Jim Brown website

    https://www.searunner.com/index.php/searunner-31

    SEARUNNER 31 SPECIFICATIONS
    Length overall 31'2″
    Waterline length 28'1″
    Beam of main hull under the wing 5'0″
    Extreme beam, outside the rubrails 18'8″
    Draft, hull only 1'11″
    Draft, centerboard down 5'9″
    Displacement, full load (in lbs.) 7,000
    Displacement, dry 4,000
    Payload 3,000
    Sail area, main 195
    Sail area, max (main and genoa) 552
    Mast length from trunk 35'0″
    Bridge clearance 41'0″
    Engine, maximum horsepower 20
    Engine, standard tankage (gallons) 25
    Standard water tankage (gallons) 25
    Cruising speed under power (knots) 6
    Crew, min-max 1-4
    Berths, min-max 2-4
    Headroom 6'4″
    Study Plans (2015) $20
    Design Fee (2015) $800
    Shipping in USA (2015) $10
    Shipping International (2015) $15



    There is also a free download of a construction manual there as well.....may be worth a look if you haven't already.....wow, over 18 ft beam - will be tough to transport!

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    Thank you guys for your input, I'm still looking for more all the time.

    part of the reasons I'm here asking is, i dont yet know all the right questions to ask

    -I have a yard to move it to, site prep will be the only cost. as well as electricity eventually when we start working on the boat itself

    -only needs to be moved about 13 miles, within the same county

    -once the boat is moved were going to seal it up, and then we'll have to go back to our real jobs for awhile.

    I read that a couple got theres done enough to put in the water, then slowly worked on the rest of the fit-out as funds would allow

    I also seen pics and read some stories about how other guys moved theirs right down the road on a modified mobile home trailer, wow!
    I'm not that crazy, and I'm smart enough to know i need a tow vehicle that can control the whole thing.

    permits can be had to move things of this size still, right? or am I dreaming? it doesnt have to go that far.... almost one town to the next.

    I'm not offended by anybody "knocking" my dream as long as the information is good. reality is, I'm not a boat builder, yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChasingTheDragon View Post
    Thank you guys for your input, I'm still looking for more all the time.

    part of the reasons I'm here asking is, i dont yet know all the right questions to ask

    -I have a yard to move it to, site prep will be the only cost. as well as electricity eventually when we start working on the boat itself

    -only needs to be moved about 13 miles, within the same county

    -once the boat is moved were going to seal it up, and then we'll have to go back to our real jobs for awhile.

    I read that a couple got theres done enough to put in the water, then slowly worked on the rest of the fit-out as funds would allow

    I also seen pics and read some stories about how other guys moved theirs right down the road on a modified mobile home trailer, wow!
    I'm not that crazy, and I'm smart enough to know i need a tow vehicle that can control the whole thing.

    permits can be had to move things of this size still, right? or am I dreaming? it doesnt have to go that far.... almost one town to the next.

    I'm not offended by anybody "knocking" my dream as long as the information is good. reality is, I'm not a boat builder, yet!
    It may be wise to see what your local regs are about moving something this wide on local roadways / permits required and/if it is even allowed....something nearly 19 ft wide on a flatbed trailer would require traffic control on all lanes as you would be taking up more than one lane with a load this big....assuming you will be leaving the boat intact as it is....there is a reason why many trimaran designers came up with folding amas, to make their boats more user friendly and trailerable in some fashion. Is there room where the boat is and in your yard for some sort of lift to load / off load it?

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    Is it possible to tilt the hull on a trailer as the unlimited hydroplanes used to do in the 1950's / 1960's ( Google 'Miss Bardahl' for a photo on it's trailer) -- that may be a possible solution.



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    Last photo appears to show a huge wasp nest - approach with caution !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    Is it possible to tilt the hull on a trailer as the unlimited hydroplanes used to do in the 1950's / 1960's ( Google 'Miss Bardahl' for a photo on it's trailer) -- that may be a possible solution.



    Rick
    This tri is more than 18 feet wide - that hydroplane is no where near that wide tilted on its flatbed trailer

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    seems like moving it whole may not be an option, or a very costly one, as it will eventually have to be moved back the same way it came to get to the closest lift in the area. perhaps thats why the project was stopped? I dont yet know...
    seen a few pictures on some 34's with what appears to be "a-frame" design. is it possible to convert a solid hull to a-frames, and have them "removable"?
    the original builder must have had a plan to move it, but he would have only needed to go a few miles.

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    They move much bigger cats around here on permits, but can't be cheap. I occasionally get shoved off the road by biker escorts while the behomoth goes past.
    About the builders plans for moving, won't be the first time if there weren't any.
    The idea of cutting the amas off doesn't bare considering.

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    There is no point in talking to us here about going to an A-frame construction.
    Talk to the designer.
    Please.

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    I've owned a Searunner 40 for 35 years.
    Still have it.
    Is this a 31 or a 34?
    There is a huge difference.
    The 31 is tiny compared to the 34
    The 34 is tiny compared to the 40
    The 34 was the last design of the series and is a fine cruising boat.
    I love the 31 A frame version,but it's a minimalist boat and needs to be lightly loaded.
    Or will get bogged down too much
    Dock space will be a challenge

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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    Wasn't Brown's own boat, Scrimshaw, a 34? The photos suggest a 34 to my eye.
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    Default Re: reviving an old project - searunner

    Scrimshaw is a 31 a frame version

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