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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatbum View Post
    You just can't stay on topic can you? You insult me and make comments to my posts that are off topic and hostile. This last post is nearly unintelligible. I have this image of you sitting in your kitchen with a tin hat making posts all day only interrupted by your need to go on your from porch and yell at the neighbor's kid for being to loud. Why are you such an angry old fart?
    Pointing out the cold hard truth of what you posted is insulting? How Trumpist a grievance.

    You said coworkers were making more than you on u/e. Max MA payment is $855+300 = $1155. $60k/year. You say you are making less than that. Nothing wrong with that, but $60k doesn’t pay for oneself in taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Pointing out the cold hard truth of what you posted is insulting? How Trumpist a grievance.

    You said coworkers were making more than you on u/e. Max MA payment is $855+300 = $1155. $60k/year.
    It doesn't really matter how much it is, it is still more than what they are making.

    To bring you back down to earth a little, you are arguing about the example, but missing the point. Just because someone is against socialism (and somehow that must mean they are also against Medicare), does not mean that they should not avail themselves of the benefits anymore than I would deny myself of the extra $300 a week for unemployment even though I do not agree with a system that pays people more when they are unemployed than when working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatbum View Post
    It doesn't really matter how much it is, it is still more than what they are making.
    So, rather than be brought back to earth by the cold hard fact that your taxes ain’t enough to pay your way and you are living under “socialism” you argue something else.

    I bet these people don’t even exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    So, rather than be brought back to earth by the cold hard fact that your taxes ain’t enough to pay your way and you are living under “socialism” you argue something else.

    I bet these people don’t even exist.
    A customer has had problems with just this. Some of his employees (back in the $600 extra days) could make as much or more by collecting - so they stayed home. Theoretically, if the employee is called back to work, he/she has to go, but enforcement of that was very lax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    A customer has had problems with just this. Some of his employees (back in the $600 extra days) could make as much or more by collecting - so they stayed home. Theoretically, if the employee is called back to work, he/she has to go, but enforcement of that was very lax.
    Sure, it happened for low(er) wage workers. He could - and should - report the employees to state u/e for fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Sure, it happened for low(er) wage workers. He could - and should - report the employees to state u/e for fraud.
    He did/does. Some of the employees will get a rude awakening when the state gets around to checking up on 'em.
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    It doesn't really matter how much it is, it is still more than what they are making.

    To bring you back down to earth a little, you are arguing about the example, but missing the point. Just because someone is against socialism (and somehow that must mean they are also against Medicare), does not mean that they should not avail themselves of the benefits anymore than I would deny myself of the extra $300 a week for unemployment even though I do not agree with a system that pays people more when they are unemployed than when working.
    You appear to be saying that people should always take what they can get, even when that goes against their principles in some ways. But is that true? Surely one can also say that one should NOT take things when it goes against your principles to do so?

    To use a boating analogy, say I find you in your boat drifting out to sea one day after an incident. I feel that as a fellow boater, I should offer you assistance and tow you back to safety so I do so.
    Does that mean I should charge you salvage fees, even though I do not believe that they can be morally justified in this case?

    Surely if you think that receiving something is morally wrong, you should not take that thing?

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    By the way, BB, if you are against socialism could you explain why you think that it's fair that under capitalism some people earn, and have, vastly much more than other people?

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    It would be simpler to forget about the lying and concentrate on the believing
    Ignorance is rampant

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    Since when is opposing socialism also a opposition to any form of governance? That's just ridiculous hyperbole.
    That's kind of what I'm asking. Seems Republicans yell "socialism" at anything any dems suggest.
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    Default Re: What, exactly, is the socialism the folks on the right are afraid of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boatbum View Post
    You just can't stay on topic can you? You insult me and make comments to my posts that are off topic and hostile. This last post is nearly unintelligible. I have this image of you sitting in your kitchen with a tin hat making posts all day only interrupted by your need to go on your from porch and yell at the neighbor's kid for being to loud. Why are you such an angry old fart?
    Is it better to err on the side of giving some money to those who don't need it, or fail to give enough to those who do?

    I fear I've missed your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahp View Post
    I will, the FAA. They do fly don't they?

    Food and Drug Administration. When they go to the drug store are they getting what they paid for?

    Public education. Poor families don't pay enough taxes to educate a child. You want illiterates?
    You totally lost me with that response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatbum View Post
    It doesn't really matter how much it is, it is still more than what they are making.

    To bring you back down to earth a little, you are arguing about the example, but missing the point. Just because someone is against socialism (and somehow that must mean they are also against Medicare), does not mean that they should not avail themselves of the benefits anymore than I would deny myself of the extra $300 a week for unemployment even though I do not agree with a system that pays people more when they are unemployed than when working.
    And you are against some 'catching up' money? Frankly, I think the process of targeting would take time. The more time it takes for the government to provide help, the more help will be needed.

    Imagine, if you would, if #45 was HONEST in January 2020 and actually listened to the scientists and handled the virus properly.
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    Promoting the general welfare is one reason we have a government, is it not?
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    "We" as a global we? Yes, but in the US, we? no, your government is there simply to line pockets. Wether that's defence industry pockets, politician's pockets, politician's friend's pockets...... Unfortunately that's how the world sees your government now.
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    Default Re: What, exactly, is the socialism the folks on the right are afraid of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    "We" as a global we? Yes, but in the US, we? no, your government is there simply to line pockets. Wether that's defence industry pockets, politician's pockets, politician's friend's pockets...... Unfortunately that's how the world sees your government now.
    The concept of our government is laws/policies/services to serve and protect the public.

    Our government keeps harbors dredged. It supplies navigational aides. Traffic laws are designed to keep driving safe.

    Private businesses can use the government provided courts to enforce a government issued patent.

    The fact that many in government are corrupt, doesn't really change this. It takes a lot of money to win an election, and the need for money cannot NOT corrupt.
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    Default Re: What, exactly, is the socialism the folks on the right are afraid of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    "We" as a global we? Yes, but in the US, we? No, your government is there simply to line pockets. Whether that's defence industry pockets, politician's pockets, politician's friend's pockets...... Unfortunately that's how the world sees your government now.
    With all respect, this is nonsense. While God knows we have all too many problems, and Mr Trump made them notably worse, most of what the government does works tolerably well.The US is not Nicaragua or Paraguay in 1977, not even close. Remember the old adage, 'bad news sells papers' (or, these days, attracts viewers or gets mouse clicks).
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