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    Default Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    The late George Buehler's designs largely brought together heavy, hard-chine, workboat construction techniques with a very traditional wooden boat style. He encouraged the use of plywood for decks and sometimes planking, but otherwise his designs would not have seemed out of place in a working boatyard a century or more ago.

    What are some other designers, active or no longer with us, who would be a good source for similar designs? Note that I am not just looking for traditional-looking designs, but specifically heavy, rugged boats with workboat scantlings. Suitability for plywood planking would also be a plus.

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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Have you checked out my Venus Ketch , "Woodwind"?
    I feel epoxy and strip planking made all of George Buelers construction techniques obsolete.

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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    See Harry Sucher's books, if you can find them: https://www.amazon.com/Simplified-Bo...dp/0393031802:
    “Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of those rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs."

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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Have you checked out my Venus Ketch , "Woodwind"? I feel epoxy and strip planking made all of George Buelers construction techniques obsolete.
    I found your thread, looks like a great boat and probably more than I would want to tackle, but I am not fond of working with epoxy so would want to minimize though probably not totally eliminate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    See Harry Sucher's books, if you can find them: https://www.amazon.com/Simplified-Bo...dp/0393031802:
    Yikes, those books are rare and expensive now but I'll keep my eye out for a used copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluttonfred View Post
    I found your thread, looks like a great boat and probably more than I would want to tackle, but I am not fond of working with epoxy so would want to minimize though probably not totally eliminate it.



    Yikes, those books are rare and expensive now but I'll keep my eye out for a used copy.
    Library...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluttonfred View Post
    Yikes, those books are rare and expensive now but I'll keep my eye out for a used copy.
    You might need to make an account, but you can borrow the book for an hour here: https://archive.org/details/simplifiedboatbu00such

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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Library...
    Small city in Florida, none in the city or county library system, I checked.
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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Quote Originally Posted by cluttonfred View Post
    Small city in Florida, none in the city or county library system, I checked.
    Every library I’ve ever used has had an inter-library loan program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Jeff View Post
    You might need to make an account, but you can borrow the book for an hour here: https://archive.org/details/simplifiedboatbu00such
    Thanks, that's a new resource to me.
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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Matthew, If your looking for a sizeable sailing boat for alongshore and offshore cruising thats planked in plywood with 'ease of construction' in mind designs that come to mind...

    A. Whittholz Departure.




    35ft. 27 ft LWL. 8 tons (a good displacement for offshore). 2 options on draft 4'3" or 5'. 3 rig options sloop, cutter or ketch. Inboard or outboard rudder. Aft or centre cockpit. Importantly the frame futtocks are straight white oak with simple plywood gussets. As are the deck knees. Floors are simple. It would be an easy boat to build. The ketch outboard rudder would be a great sea boat short handed. The plans are supposed to be very extensive and sold by Woodenboat. You can peruse the design in a feature in Boat Design Quarterly no.40.

    B. John Welsford Sundowner.



    This is a purposefully designed boat for short handed offshore work. She's enough beam to feel spacious beyond what you'd expect for her length. Again planked up over frames and stringers. You can see some diagonal planking going on with her.


    C. Dudley Dix Cape Charles 32. A bit more inshore focus.




    D. Laurent Giles Keyhaven Yawl. I think the planks are lapped. A bit more work. A bit more shape. Plans prob expensive.



    E. Phil Bolger. He has quite a few.

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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Thanks, Edward, though not quite the rugged workboat style I had in mind, those are some beautiful boats.
    Last edited by cluttonfred; 02-26-2021 at 06:23 PM.
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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    You listed Ruel Parker .For me it was his "The New Cold-Molded Boatbuilding " that made Bueler's work seem obsolete .The list of designs in the back of the book would be a good start . I guess you've read that ? He draws from traditional designs . If you want to minimize epoxy use but not go traditional plank on frame I guess you need to look at the boats designed for sheet plywood on frame construction . It sounds like you're already thinking about that .The frames will logically be lighter than on old workboats .
    Last edited by Bill Perkins; 03-09-2021 at 08:20 AM.

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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Thanks, Bill, I love Parker’s sharpies and some of his larger sailboats but his powerboats don’t really do it for me.
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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Glen l Marine has an online catalogue with lots of ply on frame designs.

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    Default Re: Designers in the spirit of George Buehler?

    Atkin's always worth a look, you'll find his design catalogue at www.atkinboatplans.com.

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