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    The mafia stops at nothing to gain and keep its power. Murder was never a problem.

    Trumpism is no different. Human life was never sacred to it, in fact no life has any value for it. Only money.
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elf View Post
    The mafia stops at nothing to gain and keep its power. Murder was never a problem.

    Trumpism is no different. Human life was never sacred to it, in fact no life has any value for it. Only money.
    Just so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Yes, and his further comments state that he feels he can be useful in other ways to combat Trumpism (presumably without the visibility that places his family in danger).

    Remarkable, innit. "... that places his family in danger.")

    From political opponents.

    Is this the U.S.? Feels more and more like a race to compete with the worst 3rdWorld FailedState in our levels of dysfunction. Acton Dictum writ large.
    They aren’t his political opponents. They are his ostensible political allies, angry that he’s not extreme enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elf View Post
    Trumpism is no different. Human life was never sacred to it, in fact no life has any value for it. Only money.
    Not that simple. Trumpism in politics is narcissistic personality disorder writ large. Money and the stuff it can buy is only a marker of dominance and status; important, but not in itself, one way of puffing yourself up and making your opponents grovel.
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    Trump destroys everything he touches. He's unleased a cancer on this country. We'll have to see how much damage it does.
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Yes, and his further comments state that he feels he can be useful in other ways to combat Trumpism (presumably without the visibility that places his family in danger).

    Remarkable, innit. "... that places his family in danger.")

    From political opponents.

    Is this the U.S.? Feels more and more like a race to compete with the worst 3rdWorld FailedState in our levels of dysfunction. Acton Dictum writ large.
    Banana Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Banana Republicans.
    Ayup...
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    More on the topic --

    The GOP’s Young Stars Don’t Want to Represent Trump’s Party

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-go...t-trumps-party
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    Paywall, but I got the gist of it.
    Found it elsewhere

    "Maybe normal Republicans will find their spines if Trump takes them down to defeat in 2022 and they realize they defeated themselves by giving over their party to a madman who would have no power to destroy except that which they’ve ceded him."

    Normal Republicans? donald took over the party in 2016 and they've just noticed? The GOP hasn't existed except in name since the convention.
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    I still am not seeing any fracturing. Sloughing off yes, and a few attempts like the Lincoln Project, but where are the "responsible" Republicans who should be condemning Trump & the Jan. 6th crowd? Silence.

    Trump seems to still be relevant - why if so many Reps don't support him?
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    Silence? No. The ostensible “good” Republicans are leaning in to Trumpism. Elise Stefanik is fundraising off replacement theory.

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    A lot of what happens in '22 depends directly on how many people are prevented from voting.

    70% of registered Republicans believe the election was stolen. That suggests 30% do not believe that.

    Theoretically, that 30% may be convinced to vote for the democrats.

    It also depends on the democrats passing something substantial that people will like.
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    More thoughts on the Gonzalez decision --

    Opinion | Why Sane Republicans Are Purging Themselves

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-w...144642242.html
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-w...144642242.html

    The GOP has not exsisted since 2016 when donald won a hostile takeover, and was allowed to consolidate because of perceived political advantage. I bet they all thought "He's a klutz, we'll be able to conrrol his worst excesses". Sounds like I've heard that presumption before.
    So now you are well on the way to having an extreme RW party masquerading under the old Republican tag. Not a good development regarding the unity of the nation which was already under stress.
    I suppose if a third party, a Conservative party was to arise now might be the time to begin to work for it using those refugees from political change as a seeding. And now whither the democrats? They have a chance to be in office for a very long time if they don't, without a mainstream rival, split. Being comfortably in government is often not condusive to unity.

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    Every single Republican in the House voted to default on the debt ceiling. The Senate is poised to do the same.

    Every single one, lockstep.

    There is no fracturing of the Republican party.
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    Not fracturing; attrition, at least so far. The most responsible, sane (and courageous, in some cases) ones are peeling off, leaving most of the rest. It may get to 'fracturing' (one can hope), but it hasn't yet.
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    Meanwhile MTG is shooting Democrat Socialism

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    Arizona Audit Backers Turn on Each Other After Recount Flop


    Supporters of Republicans’ controversial “audit” of 2020 presidential election ballots have turned on each other after the partisan investigation failed to find proof of election malfeasance, with disaffected backers even circulating a fabricated rival report they claim shows interference by the “deep state.”.......


    Among the audit report’s new detractors: Jovan Hutton Pulitzer, the controversial inventor whose supposed technology analyzing folds in ballot paper had promised, according to audit supporters, to detect some kind of voter fraud. Instead, the final audit report contained no mention of Pulitzer’s imaging technology, a change Pulitzer attributed on Twitter to “deep state” malfeasance.....


    Right-wing media personalities disappointed by the audit have even promoted a fictitious rival report they claimed was the “real” report from audit operators Cyber Ninjas. In this telling, the fabricated “draft” report called for Biden’s win to be decertified. But while the fake report was embraced by prominent right-wing news blog The Gateway Pundit as proof that the real report released on Friday had been “watered down,” Cyber Ninjas blasted the report as a hoax.


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/arizon...r-recount-flop
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    I'd like to think the facts will come to mean something.

    Too bad I can't.
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    I'd like to think the facts will come to mean something.

    Too bad I can't.
    Me too. But I've been at this long enough to know that we're very close to the end of that hope. And... even if it should come true... it'll be a while. A process. The present slide started several decades ago.
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    Majority of Trump voters believe it's 'time to split the country' in two, new poll finds

    The results show a country at ideological war with itself: More than half of the surveyed Trump voters – approximately 52% – said the "situation is such that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their own separate country." Approximately 41% of Biden-voting respondents answered similarly.

    https://www.businessinsider.nl/major...ew-poll-finds/
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    #406 strikes me as another example of fracturing... not just the party shedding a few who won't go along with the TrumpKult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    #406 strikes me as another example of fracturing... not just the party shedding a few who won't go along with the TrumpKult.
    Actually, I find the 41% of Biden supporters in favor even more interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Actually, I find the 41% of Biden supporters in favor even more interesting.
    Yes, it is. My immediate thoughts about that number were: division is continuing to spread, among domographics... and will likely continue until a more fundamental change inspires a reversal; it's kinda the same as the fact that not all Dem politicians are doing a good job with the changes. Some - even more than the historical %'s it seems - are even succumbing to the same sort of venality, corruption, short-sightedness and such that characterizes TrumpKult members and politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Yes, it is. My immediate thoughts about that number were: division is continuing to spread, among domographics... and will likely continue until a more fundamental change inspires a reversal; it's kinda the same as the fact that not all Dem politicians are doing a good job with the changes. Some - even more than the historical %'s it seems - are even succumbing to the same sort of venality, corruption, short-sightedness and such that characterizes TrumpKult members and politicians.
    Looked at purely in self-interest terms, states like New York and Mass. are massively subsidizing states like Miss. and Oklahoma, which react with a remarkable lack of gratitude and in fact with resentment. If at some point the rich states get tired of this, of course they'll want to break free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Actually, I find the 41% of Biden supporters in favor even more interesting.
    they hate us, want us dead, and wish to make our lives miserable. Why shouldn’t we let them have their Christian fascist state of failure?

    oh, I know because they are reasonable people who’ll come around if we are nicer to them

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    HOW do we do this? Problem is, after a while, those in GOP run countries will be migrating to the dem run country.

    Maybe we give those who wish an opt out of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a variety of other social stuff they don't like.

    Maybe party affiliation can be an opt out, as religion sometimes is.
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    they hate us, want us dead, and wish to make our lives miserable. Why shouldn’t we let them have their Christian fascist state of failure?

    oh, I know because they are reasonable people who’ll come around if we are nicer to them
    Because I actually give a s*** about my country & hope we can heal our wounds. A cynical ******** like you wouldn't understand that, but I have friends & acquaintances I'd like to keep as neighbors - even though we disagree on politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Because I actually give a s*** about my country & hope we can heal our wounds. A cynical ******** like you wouldn't understand that, but I have friends & acquaintances I'd like to keep as neighbors - even though we disagree on politics.
    Believeing what Republicans tell each other means I don’t believe in them?

    yes, yes it does


    subscribe to their fund raising pitches, read what they write, and apologize. Or F off fascist friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Believeing what Republicans tell each other means I don’t believe in them?

    yes, yes it does


    subscribe to their fund raising pitches, read what they write, and apologize. Or F off fascist friend.
    You're calling Garret a Fascist?

    You need professional help, and a lot of it.

    I'm thinking you should commit yourself to the local asylum before those close to you conclude you're a danger to yourself and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    You're calling Garret a Fascist?

    You need professional help, and a lot of it.

    I'm thinking you should commit yourself to the local asylum before those close to you conclude you're a danger to yourself and others.
    The bilge care bear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Ozna is not a care bear and Garret is not a fascist. Go away.
    It’s all abstraction to you too?

    there’s an ignore button use it.

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    Do you stoops not get that “good people”ended up Nazis which meant they actually weren’t good people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Ozna is not a care bear and Garret is not a fascist. Go away.
    Geeze!

    And I had already picked out my outfit!

    Sometimes you're a real downer, man!








    . . . .





    Oh, wait.

    I thought it was Hair Bear!


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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Ozna is not a care bear and Garret is not a fascist.
    this.
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