Trump is Toast

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[birlinn]

Pleading the 5th?
Well, he would, wouldn't he?

(As Mandy Rice-Davies famously said)

[TomF]

I believe that the relevant NY statutes say that while one can certainly plead the 5th in civil cases, that (unlike in criminal cases) the court/jury can treat it as a "negative inference." That is, as a tacit though not overt admission of guilt.

[birlinn]

Question for Woody and Co:

Do you agree what The Donald said in post #247?
If not why not?

[Gerarddm]

#247: That should be splattered EVERYWHERE, especially in MAGA country.

Of course Drumph pleaded the 5th. To use borrow an old Rolling Stones lyric, he's " a squirmy dog who just had his day ".

[Joe (SoCal)]

[Nicholas Carey]

You mean that committee that was hand picked by Pelosi and wouldn't allow any ranking republicans on it, just a couple RINOS. a committee that consisted of a prosecution without any defense. Don't preach to me your version of "no one above the law" because that's exactly what it is, selective justice.

You mean that McCarthy wanted to appoint only Republicans who had participated in the insurrection and were loyal to it to the J6 Committee, which Pelosi was having any part.

The GOP could have had representation of their choice on the J6 Committee. They just couldn't be guilty parties.

If I was Pelosi, I would have just appointed sane, adulting Republicans to the committee and made sure that their empty seats with prominent, highly legible name plates got a lot of TV time.

[Gerarddm]

^ Now you know why woodpile is on my Ignore list. One can only take so much daily inanity.

[Jimmy W]

You mean that committee that was hand picked by Pelosi and wouldn't allow any ranking republicans on it, just a couple RINOS. a committee that consisted of a prosecution without any defense. Don't preach to me your version of "no one above the law" because that's exactly what it is, selective justice.

Donald Trump thinks Kevin McCarthy made a big mistake with the January 6 committee

[WI-Tom]

If I was Pelosi, I would have just appointed sane, adulting Republicans to the committee and made sure that their empty seats with prominent, highly legible name plates got a lot of TV time.

Other than Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, no "sane, adulting Republicans" appear to exist. Their own party censured them for joining the committee on Jan. 6.

Tom

[woodpile]

Question for Woody and Co:

Do you agree what The Donald said in post #247?
If not why not?

Completely different circumstances, with Trump dealing with a corrupt DOJ and FBI, after 6 years of phony harassment that when NOWHERE why would YOU want to talk to them?

[Joe (SoCal)]

Completely different circumstances, with Trump dealing with a corrupt DOJ and FBI, after 6 years of phony harassment that when NOWHERE why would YOU want to talk to them?

1. Did Mr Biden legitimately win the 2020 presidential election? If not, why not?

2. What do you think of the attempt to interfere by force with the electoral vote count on January 6, 2021? If you approve, explain.

[Tom Montgomery]

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September 2016, campaign rally, Council Bluffs, Iowa: “So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment. Like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

August 2022, deposition, New York, New York: "Never mind."

[Osborne Russell]

Don't preach to me your version of "no one above the law" because that's exactly what it is, selective justice.

What is, the Jan 6 Committee? What kind of justice are you referring to?

[Tom Montgomery]

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I can barely stand all the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth on the right. The rats really squeal when they feel they are being trapped.

[Hallam]

With Trump's CPAC speech, particularly where he bangs on about reinstating his right to fire Fed employees there is a clear and present danger of the takeover of the democratic process. This reality is what opponents of Trump are fighting against. This reality is what supporters of Trump will not look at or acknowledge, through ignorance or by the deliberate manipulation of these supporters by the propaganda narrative that Trump and the media allies he has have created. It is a very dangerous dynamic festering in a pot of toxic political maneuvering and it might well boil over in two manners. Violent hissy fits when the wha wha patriots think it's time to pull the trigger or the boil over that is the aftermath of a Trump clone getting elected as POTUS. The groundwork is prepared. The other outcome is for it to be soundly stopped in its tracks by the definitive full effect of the law as it applies to Trump personally and to all who aided and abetted. Like a cancer, cut it out and apply chemo! .........to the main protagonists while avoiding conflict with the duped and manipulated followers of the base.

[LeeG]

That’s the magic of gaslighting. He’s not burdened by what he’s said before.

[Figment]

You mean that committee that was hand picked by Pelosi and wouldn't allow any ranking republicans on it, just a couple RINOS. a committee that consisted of a prosecution without any defense. Don't preach to me your version of "no one above the law" because that's exactly what it is, selective justice.

Humoring your premise for the moment... why would we NOT want this sort of "selective justice"?
Why would we NOT want those in power to be subject to more scrutiny and enforcement than the general public?
Why would we NOT want those in power to govern their actions with a healthy dose of fear for what will happen after the opposition takes power?

Imagine for a moment that Pelosi were suspected of mishandling government secrets. Would you NOT want the FBI to run through her entire life with a fine-toothed comb and a sledgehammer?

[L.W. Baxter]

Humoring your premise for the moment... why would we NOT want this sort of "selective justice"?
Why would we NOT want those in power to be subject to more scrutiny and enforcement than the general public?
Why would we NOT want those in power to govern their actions with a healthy dose of fear for what will happen after the opposition takes power?

Imagine for a moment that Pelosi were suspected of mishandling government secrets. Would you NOT want the FBI to run through her entire life with a fine-toothed comb and a sledgehammer?

this is exactly what piles is saying, "butter emails!"

i am willing, just for fun, to accept his premise, that hillary did "the same thing" and got away with it. donald was president, with all his own white male buddies in place, with a military and law enforcement naturally inclined to the right, for four years, and couldn't even get a warrant served. also, couldn't get us out of afghanistan. what a weak suck that guy is. lol.

[Canoez]

Trump apparently pleaded the Fifth amendment more than 400 times. The only question that he actually answered was what his name is.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-report-2022-8

[John Smith]

Completely different circumstances, with Trump dealing with a corrupt DOJ and FBI, after 6 years of phony harassment that when NOWHERE why would YOU want to talk to them?

How come people HE appointed are doing this stuff? You are aware, are you not that this 'great businessman" bankrupted most of his businesses, and LOST suits for fraud, failure to pay contractors, discrimination, and misuse of charity funds?

[John Smith]

What is, the Jan 6 Committee? What kind of justice are you referring to?

Seems he wants to hang Hillary in spite of all those Benghazi hearings clearing her.

[John Smith]

With Trump's CPAC speech, particularly where he bangs on about reinstating his right to fire Fed employees there is a clear and present danger of the takeover of the democratic process. This reality is what opponents of Trump are fighting against. This reality is what supporters of Trump will not look at or acknowledge, through ignorance or by the deliberate manipulation of these supporters by the propaganda narrative that Trump and the media allies he has have created. It is a very dangerous dynamic festering in a pot of toxic political maneuvering and it might well boil over in two manners. Violent hissy fits when the wha wha patriots think it's time to pull the trigger or the boil over that is the aftermath of a Trump clone getting elected as POTUS. The groundwork is prepared. The other outcome is for it to be soundly stopped in its tracks by the definitive full effect of the law as it applies to Trump personally and to all who aided and abetted. Like a cancer, cut it out and apply chemo! .........to the main protagonists while avoiding conflict with the duped and manipulated followers of the base.

Trump supporters get entirely different facts from their sources of information. We accept that as free speech. I have been warning of this moment for a good three decades.

[John Smith]

this is exactly what piles is saying, "butter emails!"

i am willing, just for fun, to accept his premise, that hillary did "the same thing" and got away with it. donald was president, with all his own white male buddies in place, with a military and law enforcement naturally inclined to the right, for four years, and couldn't even get a warrant served. also, couldn't get us out of afghanistan. what a weak suck that guy is. lol.

I often hear his supporters talk of the 'good' things he did, but I can't recall any being asked what those good things were.

[L.W. Baxter]

he didn't do anything productive that wasn't mitch-approved. in some important ways it was the mcconnell presidency.

all donald could manage other than self-aggrandizement/degradation was destruction of institutions by appointment of boobs and morans.

[Jim Mahan]

I think a case can be made that he did at least some of the damage of his presidency* out of sheer cruelty or meanness toward the people and vindictiveness toward Obama, because of the famous joke at the White House Foreign Correspondents dinner. Arguably the US and the world would've been in much better shape when the novel coronavirus outbreak occured if trmp hadn't destroyed the US effort to predict and prevent by ongoing research directly and by supporting other countries in doing the same, noteably China. He did that because Clinton and Obama had listened to the science advisors saying that such an outbreak was only a question of when and not if, and had funded and encouraged the research and overseas outreach.

[Rich Jones]

he didn't do anything productive that wasn't mitch-approved. in some important ways it was the mcconnell presidency.

all donald could manage other than self-aggrandizement/degradation was destruction of institutions by appointment of boobs and morans.

Exactly. That's why I call the Supreme Court the McConnell Court. Using Trump as a useful idiot, McConnell made his dream come true of forming an extreme right-wing court.

[L.W. Baxter]

^^barrett, gorsuch, kavanaugh...those were mitch's picks. donald didn't even know who they were.

[Ralphie Boy]

We know now that Trump was aware that he really lost the election, while he continually lied to the world that the vote was stolen. He used these lies to fundraise from his cult.

Question #1 for any MAGA-head: How is this not fraud?

Question #2: Don’t you feel like a fool for believing the con man?

[Tom Montgomery]

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Given the breaking news... will he eventually face espionage charges?

[StevenBauer]

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[Hallam]

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Given the breaking news... will he eventually face espionage charges?

Im supposing that charges would depend on if they can prove he passed information contained in the docs on to foreign interests. Apparently the docs are being searched for finger prints. Surely there will be investigations into recent guest lists at the premises, any recorded camera footage should be collected. You can bet the place has been under surveillance for a time preceding the FBI search. My guess is the FBI and DOJ know more than they are letting on. The seriousness of having docs classified TS/SCI cannot be understated. This is a quantum leap above docs Julian Assange had access to!
Any hint of the content of these docs being passed on and the toaster goes to white hot! There will be nothing but charcoal left……. Any hint of nutrient value will be long gone.

A metaphorical word picture…..

As I kept saying a while back, give him enough rope and he will hang himself. Well I reckon this little espionage act has placed the noose around his neck and tightened the rope…….he is standing tip toe on a chair and down the road a piece something or someone is going to kick the chair out from underneath him.

[johnw]

Im supposing that charges would depend on if they can prove he passed information contained in the docs on to foreign interests. Apparently the docs are being searched for finger prints. Surely there will be investigations into recent guest lists at the premises, any recorded camera footage should be collected. You can bet the place has been under surveillance for a time preceding the FBI search. My guess is the FBI and DOJ know more than they are letting on. The seriousness of having docs classified TS/SCI cannot be understated. This is a quantum leap above docs Julian Assange had access to!
Any hint of the content of these docs being passed on and the toaster goes to white hot! There will be nothing but charcoal left……. Any hint of nutrient value will be long gone.

A metaphorical word picture…..

As I kept saying a while back, give him enough rope and he will hang himself. Well I reckon this little espionage act has placed the noose around his neck and tightened the rope…….he is standing tip toe on a chair and down the road a piece something or someone is going to kick the chair out from underneath him.

Stealing top secret documents and not returning them when asked is enough to get most of us jail time, even if they can't prove he passed them on to his handlers. Otherwise, the Espionage Act could only be invoked after a successful spy operation.