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    FBI agents search New York and Florida properties linked to Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg

    U.S. federal agents on Thursday simultaneously searched properties in Manhattan, a posh Hamptons beach community, and an exclusive Miami island, all of which have been linked to billionaire Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, whose $120 million yacht was seized in April.
    The FBI confirmed it was at a Park Avenue high-rise, an estate in Southampton, New York, and the enclave of Fisher Island on Thursday, conducting what Miami-based FBI spokesperson Jim Marshall described as "court-ordered law enforcement activity." The bureau would not provide more information. Dozens of federal agents could be seen carrying boxes out of the Park Avenue property.
    FBI agents and Homeland Security Investigations personnel searched the properties, linked to Viktor Vekselberg, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. There was no immediate response to a request for comment sent to lawyers who have represented Vekselberg.

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    It'll be interesting if any Top Secret U.S. documents are found in those boxes....
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    This is interesting. (Source, 538)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    It'll be interesting if any Top Secret U.S. documents are found in those boxes....
    Thats exactly what I was thinking when I read that
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    If it could be shown that Trump was actually passing classified information to the Russians . . . Nah, even he's not stupid enough to do that - but he's surpassed expectations many times already . . .
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    ^ And yet, so many empty Top Secret folders......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson
    If it could be shown that Trump was actually passing classified information to the Russians . . . Nah, even he's not stupid enough to do that
    Would you bet your life on that? I would not put it past him. The Russians know he has a price.
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    As if the Russians would be stupid enough to leave such documentation hanging around.
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    ^…….. ouch!
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    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    It'll be interesting if any Top Secret U.S. documents are found in those boxes....
    More interesting is what WAS in those folders……….

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    As Beau of the Fifth Column has pointed out... it is Trump who is the Republican in name only. What a spineless mob is the 21st century GQP! All they are concerned about is clinging to power. All principle has been abandoned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    More interesting is what WAS in those folders……….
    I wonder if they have open fireplaces at Mar-a-lago?
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    Why is no one in the government or in the news media talking about the culpability of those in D.C. (in and out of the White House) who had the responsibility to keep close tabs on those classified documents? There are people other than Donald Trump who are in serious trouble. But no one is talking about that fact.
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    More trouble for tRump with the beginnings of open opposition from within Russia to Putins war in Ukraine ( because they are on the back foot ). If this consolidated tRump would be looking even more exposed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
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    As Beau of the Fifth Column has pointed out... it is Trump who is the Republican in name only. What a spineless mob is the 21st century GQP! All they are concerned about is clinging to power. All principle has been abandoned.
    Nope. Trump has defined exactly what "Republican" means in contemporary U.S. politics. And his party has enthusiastically embraced his definition, and continues to enable his every offense against the rule of law, against all precedent, and against basic human decency. To be a Republican now--or to vote for any Republican at any level--is to be a Trumpist, full on, no apologies.

    Unless you're Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger. They still have a claim to a different, anti-Trump Republican party. A party of two, it seems.

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    donald mounted a successfull hostile takeover of the Republican Party at the 2016(?) convention.
    It's been the trump party ever since.
    Anyone still in that party is what McCarthy called a 'fellow traveller'.

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    Was Trump elected King in 2016? It appears that he thinks he was. The Trump legal team's proposal of Paul Huck as Special Master is a transparent attempt to place a heavy thumb on the scales of justice.

    Justice Department and Trump’s Lawyers Are Headed for a Legal War Over Presidential Power

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    Sat, September 10, 2022 at 5:06 PM·

    The joint filing by the Department of Justice and Donald Trump’s legal team ordered by Trump-appointed Judge Aileen Cannon reveals an expanding chasm between the two sides that appears to make further legal battles inevitable. After Cannon required both sides to set forth substantive points upon which they can agree or disagree regarding Cannon’s decision to utilize a special master to review documents seized in the Mar-A-Lago search warrant, the DOJ and Trump’s lawyers submitted a six-page filing. It was short because the parties disagree on everything, from proposed candidates to be the special master, to the scope of that person’s authority, to who should even pay for the special master.

    The DOJ’s proposed candidates are two retired judges: Barbara Jones, formerly a federal district court judge in the Southern District of New York who recently served a special master in the review of documents seized in search warrants executed upon the offices of Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Michael Cohen; and Thomas Griffith, formerly a federal court of appeals judge in Washington, D.C.

    Trump’s lawyers proposed: Raymond Dearie, formerly the chief judge of the federal district court in the Eastern District of New York, with experience on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA court); and Paul Huck who had worked with one Trump’s current lawyers for then-Republican Florida Governor Charlie Crist. Huck is married to Judge Barbara Lagoa, a federal court of appeals judge on the 11th Circuit—the same court of appeals that will hear any appeal in this case.

    Of these candidates, Huck looks completely compromised by conflicts of interest, given that he used to work with Trump’s current lawyer and his wife sits on the same appeals court that might hear appeals in the present case. Jones, Griffith and Dearie are all reasonable choices and the parties have until Sept. 12 to give their positions on each other’s choices. If they are unable to agree, then the decision will be completely in the hands of Judge Cannon—something that the DOJ may want to avoid given that she might select Huck.

    Both sides also disagree on how much time the special master should have to complete their review. The DOJ wants it to be done by Oct. 17, but Trump’s lawyers want three months for the review. Delay typically favors the defense in criminal investigations. And in this case, if Cannon grants the three months, it would freeze DOJ’s investigations until after the midterms elections since, she has issued a stay barring DOJ and FBI investigators from reviewing any of the Mar-A-Lago documents until the special master completes a review.

    The workflow process is also disputed by the parties with Trump’s lawyers wanting the right to privately communicate with the special master to the exclusion of DOJ, and send categorization of documents they wish to have reviewed directly without the DOJ seeing them. DOJ counters that its ability to see the categories of documents—typically listed in logs that identify the documents without revealing their contents—would lessen the special master’s workload because DOJ might agree to some categories which would lessen the need for a high volume of ex parte communications, and thereby improve the “perceived fairness and transparency of the process.” DOJ also wants Trump and his team to pay for the costs of the special master since Trump is the one who wants one. In contrast, the Trump team unsurprisingly wants to go Dutch on the costs.

    But the most important disagreement between the two parties is the scope of the special master’s work. The DOJ argues that the special master: (1) should not review documents with classification matters; (2) should not adjudicate claims of Executive Privilege but rather submit those documents directly to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); and, (3) should consult with NARA o the determination of Presidential records. Trump’s lawyers disagree with all this, claiming that the DOJ wrongly believes classification of documents is for perpetuity, and that Trump’s interest in any presidential record means he cannot be denied control and access over them.

    The breadth and depth of these disagreements between DOJ and Trump’s lawyers appear to make further legal battles and appeals inevitable. In particular, the disagreement over the scope of the special master’s authority goes to the heart of what is at stake in the special master appointment, because it serves as a proxy war over Trump’s view of an expansive presidential power that can stand against the rest of the Executive Branch. Ironically, as England goes through its ancient process of installing a new monarch, this dispute in a Florida courtroom is really a battle over whether American Presidents are public servants or emperors. In 1776, America went to war over that question and won. But the principle demands defending it again today, and everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    This is interesting. (Source, 538)


    I expect his popularity will rise.
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    Where all of this leads, we don't know. We have our hopes. I'm basically a pessimist, and don't count on this ending the way I'd like it to, but sometimes I find myself pleasantly surprised.
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    So what’s up with trump** flying from Bedminster to DC tonight in his golf clothes? Medical issue? Subpoena!

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    ^ interesting..

    'https://mobile.twitter.com/PenguinSix/status/1569129564093435906'

    gal in the vid doesn't look like TFG's usual bim.. er arm candy.. and she looks.. competent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    So what’s up with trump** flying from Bedminster to DC tonight in his golf clothes? Medical issue? Subpoena!

    That is interesting. Alternet is perhaps not the most reliable of sources, but it is breaking news.

    Sudden need to surrender to the US marshals?

    Cain't imagine it's a medical issue. He's got no special access to Walter Reed any more. NYC hospital would be more likely.

    https://www.alternet.org/2022/09/don...ietly-flew-dc/

    'Something weird is going on': Donald Trump quietly flew to DC on Sunday night and nobody knows why

    YouTuber Andrew Leyden was on his way to catch a glimpse of President Joe Biden's scheduled visit to the Pentagon on Sunday evening when he received word from independent aircraft trackers that former President Donald Trump's private Cessna Citation II jet had taken off from Morristown Municipal Airport in New Jersey and landed at Washington Dulles International Airport in Virginia in what appears to be an unannounced trip to the nation's capital.

    Leyden redirected his car to Dulles and recorded Trump's plane taxiing just after it touched down. A motorcade was waiting for his arrival.

    After some luggage was unloaded, a bedraggled Trump disembarked down the stairs. Curiously, he was still wearing golf shoes and carrying a hat, as if he was abruptly taken off his course in Bedminster. What is also unusual is that Trump has not uttered a word on his fake Twitter app Truth Social.
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    Coup #2.
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    Curiouser and Curiouser………. did he fall or was he pushed…………...

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    This is going to drive me nuts until we find out!
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    Since any classified material that he had must be considered compromised, whether it has been or not, in
    the dark corners of my heart, I hope some has turned up in that Russians apartment(s) that were searched the other day, and the orange git is about to be arrested and charged with high treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    So what’s up with trump** flying from Bedminster to DC tonight in his golf clothes? Medical issue? Subpoena!
    I was looking at an image of him - his hands appear to be behind him.

    I'm wondering if he's going to be indicted. I figured that would happen relatively quietly. This is pretty quiet.
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    The only truly remarkable thing about this is the period of absolute silence by trump and don jr and the rest of that crowd.

    Arriving on his own jet leads me to think that early arrival for his Tuesday night event is far more likely than anything to do with DOJ.
    The apparent haste indicated by his travel in golf attire could easily be attributed to the incompetence of his support staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    The only truly remarkable thing about this is the period of absolute silence by trump and don jr and the rest of that crowd.

    Arriving on his own jet leads me to think that early arrival for his Tuesday night event is far more likely than anything to do with DOJ.
    The apparent haste indicated by his travel in golf attire could easily be attributed to the incompetence of his support staff.
    Unless he has other business in D.C., I find this unlikely. During his campaigns, he always liked to fly home and sleep in his own bed every night. He could be meeting with all his elected D.C. cronies (like his girlfriend Lindsey) to ploy out
    future rabble rousing.
    But his silence is interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    I was looking at an image of him - his hands appear to be behind him.

    Whilst he's well known for having tiny hands, which perhaps make them difficult to spot from a distance, from the video showing him disembarking from the plane (at around 3:40) it appears he still has use of them:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    This is going to drive me nuts until we find out!
    an ex-presidential colonoscopy?

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    I would bet that this turns out to be nothing of importance. We'd all be so happy to see the guy in jail that anything unexpected makes us jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    I would bet that this turns out to be nothing of importance. We'd all be so happy to see the guy in jail that anything unexpected makes us jump.
    The number of people more worthy of a jail cell is small. His is long overdue.
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    Patience. One day we'll look back on all of this and know what actually did happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Patience. One day we'll look back on all of this and know what actually did happen.
    I doubt that strongly. I do not think we will ever know the whole and unbiased story. There are far too many players at both extremes of the political spectrum.

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