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    You just cannot make up this дерьмо. It is stunning to realize this guy was once a lieutenant general in the U.S. Army.

    Michael Flynn's Call for 'Martial Law' Comes Amid Violent Threats Over Trump Election Defeat

    BY DAVID BRENNAN ON 12/2/20 AT 9:28 AM EST


    Former national security adviser Michael Flynn—controversially pardoned by President Donald Trump last week—on Tuesday retweeted a call for the White House to declare martial law and re-run last month's presidential election.

    The appeal—made by the Ohio non-profit We The People Convention in a Washington Times advert Tuesday—urged the president to declare "limited martial law" in order to hold a new election.

    The advert cited President Abraham Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War as precedent, adding: "Then, as now, a President with courage and determination was needed to preserve the Union."

    WTPC claimed the "threat to our United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history—including the civil war."

    The organization's President Tom Zawistowski released a statement claiming "massive, planned, illegal election fraud conducted by corrupt Democrat/Socialist Party operatives across our nation to steal our vote."

    But WTPC provided no evidence to support its claims, which have been debunked by bipartisan election officials and Trump's own Justice Department.

    The retired general Flynn tweeted a link to the appeal, writing alongside it: "Freedom never kneels except for God."

    Flynn received a presidential pardon last week for his conviction for lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia in 2017.

    The broad pardon also applied to any possible crimes he might have committed connected to special counsel Robert Mueller's probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    His pardon has become a cause célèbre for Trump supporters, who consider him a victim of President Barack Obama's administration's supposed efforts to spy on and undermine the Trump presidential campaign.

    This conspiracy theory has also been widely debunked.

    Flynn has also become a hero among proponents of the QAnon conspiracy theory, which claims Trump is at war with a shadowy cabal of powerful international pedophiles.

    Trump, his campaign and allies have maintained that he was cheated out of last month's presidential election by a sophisticated campaign of electoral fraud.

    The president and his lawyers have failed to provide any evidence to support the assertion, and Attorney General Bill Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department had found no evidence of fraud that would have affected the result.

    But Trump plus some of his allies and supporters have spread the conspiracy theory regardless.

    QAnon followers, online extremists and fringe groups like WTPC have proved fertile ground for the baseless claims of electoral fraud, helping create an alternative narrative in conservative media and on social media that experts have warned could encourage real-life violence.

    Talk of martial law, armed resistance to stop the supposed anti-Trump "coup" and calls for a second Civil War are common on platforms including Facebook, Twitter and Parler.

    Partisan rhetoric is growing increasingly aggressive as the transition to President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20.

    Trump lawyer Joe DiGenova, for example, said Monday that former head of U.S. election security Chris Krebs should be "taken out at dawn and shot" for saying that Trump's defeat was not a result of voter fraud.

    The president fired Krebs after he refused to support the election conspiracy theory. Krebs has remained defiant, and wrote in a Washington Post op-ed published Tuesday: "The 2020 election was the most secure in U.S. history."

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    I await the emergence of the 2nd Amendment advocates from their bunkers, bristling with weaponry and determined to protect the Constitution from overthrow by Federal tyranny.
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    OMG !!!!!!!! Sheesh!!!!!!
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    I really do wish to fall asleep and wake up to Hillary Clinton as president Elect in 2016. This nightmare can't go on, can it?
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    Gosh. I'm beginning to think these guys are more interested in power than about what's best for the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Gosh. I'm beginning to think these guys are more interested in power than about what's best for the country.
    Golly, that can't be true!

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    Hmmm, that sounds suspiciously like incitement to riot, a criminal offense not pardonable by a president.

    Lock him up!
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    Sounds like treason to me.
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    Not good if true. These days? I wish we could have Art's dream. Whole country goes under the bus.
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    I must admit I was horribly wrong in downplaying the threat of a major crises caused by Trump's refusal to concede. Count me now as someone who is very worried. We have a former 3 star general calling for martial law. Trump supposedly talked for 45 minutes today about the "invalid election". I did not listen to it, but at one point he reportedly said "Biden cannot be president". I understand that the latest fundraising mailings have remove Mike Pence's name from the logo. I still fairly certain Trump leaves office peaceably, but that doesn't mean a crises does not occur. I suppose (hope) Biden's transition team is having to spent valuable time gaming various internal conflict scenarios.
    I have seen things on twitter from Trumpistas that is crazy. This whole thing is quite worrisome. January 6th is a long ways off. I which it would get here quick.

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    Good to have you fully onside, peb.

    That's 2 former generals today calling for martial law too. It is absolutely shocking. And the silence of elected Republicans in Washington is even more shocking.

    If you guys can make it to February, the larger part of the crisis will be over, I think. Make it to July, and you will be mostly safe.

    Note, though, that we are lucky that Trump has so little affinity for turning COVID's reality and the coming deaths to his advantage, because a smarter authoritarian could ride the coming grief to a junta.
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    Setting aside a remarkable lack of grammatical and spelling accuracy, peb, do you actually think any of this stuff is going to end on January 6th?
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    Sorry for the poor spelling. No, I don't think it ends on Jan 6th, but it seems that once the election results are official, something will have to give.

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    Inauguration Day is always on January 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peb View Post
    I must admit I was horribly wrong in downplaying the threat of a major crises caused by Trump's refusal to concede. Count me now as someone who is very worried. We have a former 3 star general calling for martial law. Trump supposedly talked for 45 minutes today about the "invalid election". I did not listen to it, but at one point he reportedly said "Biden cannot be president". I understand that the latest fundraising mailings have remove Mike Pence's name from the logo. I still fairly certain Trump leaves office peaceably, but that doesn't mean a crises does not occur. I suppose (hope) Biden's transition team is having to spent valuable time gaming various internal conflict scenarios.
    I have seen things on twitter from Trumpistas that is crazy. This whole thing is quite worrisome. January 6th is a long ways off. I which it would get here quick.
    I certainly wouldn't want to downplay the incipient danger of the kind of rhetoric we've heard recently; it seems almost inconceivable that a former general would advocate anything remotely like martial law, the suspension of the constitution, etc....

    ...but perhaps it might be a bit more realistic to suspect that all of this rhetoric is being egged on by Trump, because it's in his financial interest to do so. We all know that he didn't run for the Presidency because he had noble intentions... and his new PAC has generated $170M so far, money that he can essentially use at his complete pleasure... so maintaining the rhetoric works to his advantage; all those contributions are more or less flowing into his pocket. The pardons more or less buy loyalty, and he can no doubt find ways to monetize the debts owed to him by Flynn, Stone, and the others who will undoubtedly receive pardons before 1/20/21.

    To tell you the truth, I'm infinitely more worried about the internecine warfare within the Democratic party, which promises to blow up in their faces and squander the best possible opportunity to turn things around... before the Trumpistas take back power in 2022 and 2024.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    ...peb has a good heart and mind, but he's been slow to recognize the danger of Herr Trump.

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    Trunp needs to be removed from office by Congress now.
    The entire country is at the mercy of a megalomaniac.

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    As Ms. Maddow points out today, some of that $170K is going to the Republican Party.

    Gonna make it really hard for the party to separate itself from Mr. Trump. He really is a cash cow.
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    He needed removal this time last year. The equation keeping him in the Oval hasn't shifted enough even now. There is 0 chance that the Senate would convict and remove 50 days from the end of his term, and a sub-0 chance of removal by 25th Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Longino View Post
    ...peb has a good heart and mind, but he's been slow to recognize the danger of Herr Trump.
    Oh, I have recognized many if the dangers of Trump. I just did not think this election fraud bs could get this far without imploding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Longino View Post
    Trunp needs to be removed from office by Congress now.
    The entire country is at the mercy of a megalomaniac.
    I tend to agree with you, it's time to invoke the 25th amendment. But if it does not occur with full GOP congressional support (and I mean damn near unanimous), it would just cause a greater upheaval than trying to wait it out.

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    I still find it amusing that the Trumpers think of Joe Biden as a “socialist/communist”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    I still find it amusing that the Trumpers think of Joe Biden as a “socialist/communist”.

    compared to a fascist, he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    I certainly wouldn't want to downplay the incipient danger of the kind of rhetoric we've heard recently; it seems almost inconceivable that a former general would advocate anything remotely like martial law, the suspension of the constitution, etc....

    ...but perhaps it might be a bit more realistic to suspect that all of this rhetoric is being egged on by Trump, because it's in his financial interest to do so. We all know that he didn't run for the Presidency because he had noble intentions... and his new PAC has generated $170M so far, money that he can essentially use at his complete pleasure... so maintaining the rhetoric works to his advantage; all those contributions are more or less flowing into his pocket. The pardons more or less buy loyalty, and he can no doubt find ways to monetize the debts owed to him by Flynn, Stone, and the others who will undoubtedly receive pardons before 1/20/21.

    To tell you the truth, I'm infinitely more worried about the internecine warfare within the Democratic party, which promises to blow up in their faces and squander the best possible opportunity to turn things around... before the Trumpistas take back power in 2022 and 2024.
    Oh, my.

    It CAN'T happen here!

    Sorry, Norman.

    You've got Flynn and that other ratfreaker, McInerney, publicly calling for martial law, you've got the Moron Horde armed to the teeth and going batspit crazy that their shot at a thousand year reich is going down the tubes . . .

    Look at that little wretch, Rittenhouse.

    His timing was off.

    A spark like that is all it takes.

    Think about that thread the other day that pointed out Trump doesn't represent half the country.

    The assertion was made that only 1.4 million people attended Trump Rallies in 2016.

    Let's just use that number. Round it down to one million people.

    One million ignorant, politically-illiterate Scots-Irish farm boys who feel that their basic honor and decency has been besmirched by the gorram Liberals, armed to the teeth, and bent upon a Liberal Genocide as a way to even up the popular vote.

    You oughtta be soiling yourself.

    This situation is every bit as dangerous as a ticking bomb, and it's getting worse EVERY DAY, and you know, or WOULD know, if you would let the scales fall from your eyes, that once the crackle of small arms fire begins to build to a roar, the Commander in Chief will cackle gleefully until civil and political chaos overruns this Constitutional Republic.

    Only then will he move to impose order. HIS order.

    Any American who is not a Trumpista Moron who is NOT scared spitless by now is just [REDACTED].

    This spit is HAPPENING.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    More seriously, I think we will see violence soon.

    The spineless remnants of the Republican Party are substituting silence for courage, and are hoping this will go away.

    Interestingly, check out Ivanka Trump’s Twitter feed. Scrolling back to November 11, where she announced Alaska voted for her dad, there’s not a single tweet about voter fraud. Javanka appear to be edging away from the toxicity. https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    A Trumper would not recognize a socialist/communist if one crawled up his leg and chewed a miniature sculpture of the Statue Of Liberty from his left n.t!

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    Trumpers don't have left n.ts
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    Mr. Ross touches on the real issue: the silence of Republicans in the house and senate. By not condemning, they are condoning.

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    Sounds like advocating for sedition to me.

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    Sitting in a box for how many months did not cool his jets I guess.
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    8 years Chimp
    8 years Obama
    4 years Trump

    20 years I'm telling you so, Oznabrag too. They are un-American; anti-American. They seek overthrow of the republic and the institution of a fascist state having ignorant bigotry as its foundation.

    We F ing told you so.

    You said:

    "This is not Germany."
    "This is not Italy."
    "This is not fascism."
    "This is not Hitler."
    "This is not Mussolini."
    "This is hysterical, over the top."

    We told you, these quibblings are beside the point, a manufactured refuge of cowardice. You can't call your Aunt Tillie an ignorant peasant fascist sow. But that's exactly what she is. You can't dig the banality of evil. You look for horns, smoke, and magic. You can't see it in the Miracle Whip, in the green jello with pygmy marshmallows, even as the writhing supplicants dance around you. You want more style from Satan.
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    The great lie is that Satan's exciting. Actually, Satan's boring, though he's evil for all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hightop View Post
    sounds like advocating for sedition to me.
    ^^^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    The great lie is that Satan's exciting. Actually, Satan's boring, though he's evil for all that.
    Roger Stone as a writhing supplicant just doesn't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    I still find it amusing that the Trumpers think of Joe Biden as a “socialist/communist”.
    Yesterday I listened to Jesus radio a bit for their “news” portion and the pundit went on about the hidden socialist agenda icoming. Socialism!
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