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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Yes I saw them and got my hopes up but when you go onto their site and they show “Discontinued” that is annoying
    Annoying, yes, but I bet it pretty much eliminates the determined buyer who would call saying 'Don't y'all carry such and such anymore?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I hate Maxies. Life's too short to wait all day for the water to boil!! I installed a gas locker, stove and lines on Masina then got a gasfitter (plumber) to check it all and certify it. Once installed properly, gas is so simple. I haven't yet installed a gas detector but I will.

    But those portable, canister stoves are good. The only problem with them that I know about is that the canisters rust quickly. So, keep them in a Pelican case or some other airtight container and just bring the canister out when you need it. Between trips, put the canister back in the case. I think that's pretty safe.
    I’d planned to do much the same when I found that the Origo’s are out of production, fit a 1.5 metre certified flexible LPG hose from the tank/regulator in a cockpit locker (inside a bund with an overboard drain) and hook it up to a one or two burner ENO stove in the cabin. But when I went to buy the hose I was told (by the retailer who had worked as a gas fitter) that he could sell it to me but that I'd never be able to get it certified and that it needs to be fitted by a licensed gas fitter who’d use an insulated/shielded copper line. I was also told that the gas fitter wouldn’t certify his own fitting without a gas sniffer that has been fitted by a licensed electrician.....
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    The copper pipe is fine. It just needs to be saddled enough so it doesn't wave around. There's no requirement in NSW to have a gas detector but maybe QLD has different requirements? I doubt it but I don't know. Anyway, we make lots of tea when we're sailing so a 'set and forget' system suits us. The gas certification thing is a nuisance, I know. But while you have the boat pulled apart, now is a good time to do such an installation if you think you need it. For a boat that'll probably do night passages, I think it's worth it but it's certainly not the only way to go.
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    Our main heat for the house is a fireplace insert fueled with propane/LPG. Likewise our kitchen range. I've cruised on boats with propane systems. So I'm not against using it.

    The hazards for boaters are real, however.

    One is that the volume of LPG in the typical steel tank is large, relative to the volume of the cabin. So a leak inside can flood the cabin with gas and cause a huge explosion.

    Another is that even with copper piping, thoroughly inspected, etc. the connection to the stove and oven can be disarranged or damaged, yielding leaks. Also, the frequent connection of the gas cylinder to the system is done by the user, at times with a cross-threaded valve, bad seal, damaged gasket, etc. In still air, or with a full dodger, propane leaking from a vented enclosure can descend to the cockpit and into the cabin.

    I'd suggest using the smallest practical LPG cylinder, enough for the typical cruise, rather than one sized for the entire season. One should also shut off the main valve on the cylinder when leaving the boat, or even between uses.
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    How about the Heatpal? Is it avaliablr in Oz? It can perhaps be used for cooking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip-skiff View Post
    Our main heat for the house is a fireplace insert fueled with propane/LPG. Likewise our kitchen range. I've cruised on boats with propane systems. So I'm not against using it.

    The hazards for boaters are real, however.

    One is that the volume of LPG in the typical steel tank is large, relative to the volume of the cabin. So a leak inside can flood the cabin with gas and cause a huge explosion.

    Another is that even with copper piping, thoroughly inspected, etc. the connection to the stove and oven can be disarranged or damaged, yielding leaks. Also, the frequent connection of the gas cylinder to the system is done by the user, at times with a cross-threaded valve, bad seal, damaged gasket, etc. In still air, or with a full dodger, propane leaking from a vented enclosure can descend to the cockpit and into the cabin.

    I'd suggest using the smallest practical LPG cylinder, enough for the typical cruise, rather than one sized for the entire season. One should also shut off the main valve on the cylinder when leaving the boat, or even between uses.
    Installation requirements here are that the gas tank is located in a locker that must drain to the outside of the boat, and must have an air vent. So it can't drain gas into either the cockpit or the cabin. A gas detector in the cabin is a belt-and-braces guard against any undetected leak at the stove end.
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    I’ve done a bit of a 180 on the stove - now going back to gas. An initial indicative estimate from a gas fitter (who didn’t want to come and see the job, so just over the phone based on description) was $1200 just to run a line 1.5 metres from the gas locker to the galley and to fit the regulator and end for the stove. Plus he required a shut off gas detector to be fitted by a licensed electrician and at about $500 for the detector plus the electrician gas was completely uneconomical.

    But a second quote from a bloke who does mostly boats, caravans and RV's and who came up to the boat for a look and a chat has come in at $700.00, including the regulator AND a second bayonet fitting that he recommended for the cockpit to plug a BBQ into. The gas line required is a shielded copper pipe at $40.00 a metre.

    The gas locker has to be fully sealed with an overboard drain and he said the other guys requirement of a shut-off/detector was completely unnecessary and overkill for my boat and suggested a basic $90.00 battery gas sniffer/alarm. I’ll just be running a small 2kg bottle.

    So I’m going with that - still expensive but as Rick says the convenience of gas and the dual ability of having a stove below for a kettle and a BBQ on the pushpit running from the same bottle is ideal.

    Also when someone is as helpful as this guy who quoted $700.00 was I really can’t help but want to use them regardless!!
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    That's good! When he gives you the sniffer/alarm thing's details, would you mind letting me know what they are? I'm going to put one in Masina.
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    He’s just talking about one of these - less than $90.00 actually now that I look it up:

    https://www.whitworths.com.au/12v-gas-detector-alarm
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    Great, thanks!
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    It's now late 2021 and I came across the same problem as Larks when sourcing an an unpressurised alcohol stove. The Origo 1500 is hands down the best choice for me IMHO but it is still out of production - perhaps forever.

    I'm latching onto this thread since it covers most of the process I went through the last few days figuring out which stove to get.

    I want to get a stove currently in production in case I need to find replacement parts. However an unpressurized stove is simple enough that I could fabricate some replacement parts. But then again on that route I am getting into the slippery slope of user mods to a stove that may or may not work, not to mention insurance liabilities incurred. So I will stick with current production.

    My Google search turns up stuff that is used, too expensive or too small. Anyone else come up with a satisfactory answer?
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    The Origo burners are just canisters; flat SS containers with no necks and about a 2 1/4" opening, filled with some sort of rock-wool or similar insulation, and a open-mesh screen across the opening. Couldn't be simpler.

    I ripped out the Primus burners from our 1947 Shipmate stove, and installed 2 Origo burners, which at the time I was able to buy separately/individually. The result works great. I have a burner on the top, plus an oven. I meant to add at least one more on the stove top, but never got around to it.


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    I say to heck with the insurance. Get a metal shop to make or adapt a canister, and make the burner yourself.

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    https://hytta.de/kocher/Spirituskoch...lammig,519.htm

    These folks still have the German produced single and double.burner alcohol stoves on their site, wouldn't hurt to ask.
    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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    Thank you P.I. It looks like that one will be the winner. I'll see if I can order it.
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    Order canceled. The outfit that P.I. graciously pointed out looks good. But they cancelled the order saying that they cannot ship overseas. The search continues. I found numerous camping and backpacking stoves and also these


    https://www.amazon.com/Lixada-Stainl...221070&sr=8-15


    https://www.amazon.com/Rong-Tian-Sel...-goods&sr=1-57


    https://www.amazon.com/Tongina-Alcoh...goods&sr=1-125
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    Quote Originally Posted by willmarsh3 View Post
    Order canceled. The outfit that P.I. graciously pointed out looks good. But they cancelled the order saying that they cannot ship overseas. The search continues. I found numerous camping and backpacking stoves and also these


    https://www.amazon.com/Lixada-Stainl...221070&sr=8-15


    https://www.amazon.com/Rong-Tian-Sel...-goods&sr=1-57


    https://www.amazon.com/Tongina-Alcoh...goods&sr=1-125
    Maybe ship it one of our German forumites and have them send it to you.

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    They replied back and said they could not ship it b/c the air carriers would likely reject anything that has a tank designed to hold fuel - whether used or new. I suppose it could be shipped by ground or ocean freighter.

    I may try one of the Amazon offerings - if it is not satisfactory I can easily return it.
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    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    https://hytta.de/kocher/Spirituskoch...lammig,519.htm

    These folks still have the German produced single and double.burner alcohol stoves on their site, wouldn't hurt to ask.
    That double burner is wonderful.. on order.. thanks!

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    I bought one of the Compass 24 Origo-style alcohol stoves a few months back.

    Having first used it last weekend I have to say I'm very happy with it. It's well made, compatible with Origo parts such as fiddles and gimbals (available on eBay). The cooker works well.

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    Getting it shipped from Germany to Dubai was a logistical challenge. I used a service called Shop and Ship ( https://www.shopandship.com/en/servi...54180/FlexFree ) which gave me a German address for Compass 24 to ship to. S&S then forwarded it out to Dubai. Having looked at their website they unfortunately don't service the US, but there may be similar sorts of courier/overseas shopping services that do. Shipping cost me about US$ 90 + import duties.

    The major headache was that Compass 24 said I had to order on their German website for deliveries to Germany and, unsurprisingly perhaps, their German website is all in German. Google Translate came to the rescue.

    It was probably worth the effort to get it to Dubai as we really have no alternative when purchasing this sort of thing here. Whether it makes sense elsewhere in the world I don't know, but I mention it in case anyone felt it might be.

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    Great find!

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    Last edited by bluedog225; 10-16-2021 at 08:06 PM.

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    Hey Larks I found this one in Oz. $431 however it doesn't mention having pot holders or gimbal.


    Single or two-burner camping stove, fuelled by Methylated Spirits: campers



    I have two maxi 2 burner stoves one with the burners rusted out and the other with a few leaks and the burners don't match. There is a specialist shop in Huntingdale I will give a try to see if they have burners or can repair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    Hey Larks I found this one in Oz. $431 however it doesn't mention having pot holders or gimbal.


    Single or two-burner camping stove, fuelled by Methylated Spirits: campers



    I have two maxi 2 burner stoves one with the burners rusted out and the other with a few leaks and the burners don't match. There is a specialist shop in Huntingdale I will give a try to see if they have burners or can repair.

    I gave up looking and went back to gas
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