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    I need a better one. I donít use one often, but occasionally I need to clean up a rabet or other inside corner, and I reach for the only one I have which just frustrates me no matter how well I try to set it up. The Veritas is nice but itís $200 and probably overkill for what I need. But I definitely need something better than this.

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    Following with interest. I have the same plane, and the same problem.

    The good ones must be really good too, because used shoulder planes don't seem to exist, except for that model.

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    Block of wood, wedge and a chisel mounted beval down. Has worked for years for others, should for you. Keep what ya got for the approach to the corner
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    The record style (041, 042, 072, 073, 074) are ime nicer to use than the Stanley (92, 93, 94). Neither are particularly cheap. Hock sells a 3/4Ē T blade if you want to make your own for less money.

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    Maybe try a better blade? I mean, the edged part of edge tools is the part that works; the rest is just to hood it steady.

    Just an idea that seems cheaper and easier than total plane replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Maybe try a better blade? I mean, the edged part of edge tools is the part that works; the rest is just to hood it steady.

    Just an idea that seems cheaper and easier than total plane replacement.
    Yes but..
    I don’t like the configuration of that little plane. The short nose makes it harder to keep straight, plus it is a pretty steep angle. It’s fine for the last couple of inches in a corner, but not good on straight runs. I’ve honed that blade to a very good edge, but it is also difficult to get it mounted and kept perfectly square

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    My favorite rabbet plane is a Stanley No. 10 .
    It's got all the refinements of other Bailey bench planes.

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    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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    I have a Stanley No 90 and would never dream of parting with it.I don't have much need for a longer shoulder plane,but if I needed such a beast an older Record or Clifton would probably be on the list.

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    No 1 son gave me the rough casting for a prezzy for home completion.
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    Shoulder planes have the blade bevel up. Rebate planes do not.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sp_clark View Post
    They don’t sell those Stanley Sweethearts in the Home Depot store. I guess they have a much better selection in their online store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    They don’t sell those Stanley Sweethearts in the Home Depot store. I guess they have a much better selection in their online store.
    If it's anything like the new Stanley 60 1/2 I bought, you'll be happier if you spend the money on an old example. That knurled knob on the depth adjustment screw will fall off, and the blade iron is pretty mediocre compared to the old stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    They don’t sell those Stanley Sweethearts in the Home Depot store. I guess they have a much better selection in their online store.
    They’d never sell many if stocked in stores. As for NRS5000’s comment, I sadly suspect he’s correct about the quality.

    I have a pair of Records from the early ‘80’s I’m very glad I bought back then. You can sometimes find ‘em on eBay for less than you’d pay for something from Lie-Nielsen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron ll View Post
    I need a better one. I don’t use one often, but occasionally I need to clean up a rabet or other inside corner, and I reach for the only one I have which just frustrates me no matter how well I try to set it up. The Veritas is nice but it’s $200 and probably overkill for what I need. But I definitely need something better than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukes View Post
    Following with interest. I have the same plane, and the same problem.

    The good ones must be really good too, because used shoulder planes don't seem to exist, except for that model.
    It is not actually a shoulder plane, it is a bull nose rebate plane.
    This is available. https://www.toolbazaar.co.uk/shop/1-...der-plane.html

    1 1/4" WIDE EARLY SHOULDER PLANE

    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Has anyone used one of the 3 in 1 planes that are out there? (shoulder/bullnose/chisel) It feels gimmicky, but if it worked, it would save a space or two in the toolbox.

    https://www.rockler.com/bench-dog-3-in-1-shoulder-plane

    I'm inclined to get a Stanley 92 and see how it goes. It really could not be worse than the one I have that is identical to Ron's.

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    I have one of these cheap Anant shoulder planes and kinda like it Took some finessing to get the blade sharp and I haven't cut a lot of long gains with it, but for cleaning rebates and such mine's worked well for me.
    http://www.anant-tools.com/bull_nose_a77.html I should add that the adjustment screw was kinda raunchy, but cleaning up the contact surfaces on the blade and the flanges of the nut really helped.

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    Ebay. Stanley 93. Nothing better for small work.

    Stanley 10 or 10 1/2 for big stuff. Hock iron for the #10 is a game changer; but all Hock irons and chip breakers are game changers....

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    The current Fine Woodworking Tools and Shops issue has an article on shoulder planes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike H View Post
    The current Fine Woodworking Tools and Shops issue has an article on shoulder planes.
    That’s what made me realize I need a better one. I might also need a new miter saw.

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    Amazon has some... search>rebate plane

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    Any of yous guys remember why it is a shoulder plane?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Any of yous guys remember why it is a shoulder plane?

    That's "youse", Nick, and you should drop the "of"... any youse guys".


    Ziss a shoulder plane? It's good for a lotta things whatever. It was expensive, but after twenty years you forget how much, and if you think back to some of the things you mighta pissed money away on with nothing to show now you might start thinking buying it was a smart move after all.


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    Ron, you can check out Patrick Leach's monthly tools-for-sale: http://www.supertool.com/forsale/novemberlist2020.html

    His prices are usually higher than ebay but his descriptions are believable. He does not deal in junk.

    For general purpose work, unless you already have a Stanley #78, or the like, that is what you need. A shoulder plane is actually a special purpose tool although useful in a lot of varied applications. Beware of new ones. Some are beyond fettling.

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    I have one of these as well. It has been perfectly satisfactory, gets the job done in rapidly curving rabbets. For anything else I prefer a bigger rabbet plane. Getting two hands on it and more weight mean you can get a lot more work done quickly.





    My preferred plane is like this, but with a little knicking blade for clean shoulders across the grain. I think it was $7 at a garage sale.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Any of yous guys remember why it is a shoulder plane?
    Thatís what gets sore when you push one all day?

    Or, it has something to do with a joint.

    I canít remember which.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Ledger View Post
    That's "youse", Nick, and you should drop the "of"... any youse guys".

    Thanks for the lesson in colonial colloquialisms. You got an answer to why "shoulder" plane though.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post

    Or, it has something to do with a joint.

    I can’t remember which.
    You nearly won the coconut.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    As you can see, there are two main workable approaches to your issue.

    First - Take the time to educate your self about, and track down, some hi-quality 'old ahrn'. If you've got the time and/or the curiosity... you can likely find one for less than brand new.

    Second - Buy new.

    The important part - in my judgement - is Get A Quality Tool. I find few things more aggravating than a plane that isn't working well. The good ones are either good right out of the box, or can be dialed in. The crappy ones will always be crappy even with copious fettling. The less expensive new ones are a crap shoot. You might get one that's workable... you might not.

    If you want surety - spend the money for the Veritas. Or even Lie Nielson if you want to "buy 'Murcan".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Thanks for the lesson in colonial colloquialisms. You got an answer to why "shoulder" plane though.
    Because it was used to clean up the shoulders of a tenon? The lower cutting angle would work better on end grain than a rabbet plane.

    Just a guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    As you can see, there are two main workable approaches to your issue.

    First - Take the time to educate your self about, and track down, some hi-quality 'old ahrn'. If you've got the time and/or the curiosity... you can likely find one for less than brand new.

    Second - Buy new.

    The important part - in my judgement - is Get A Quality Tool. I find few things more aggravating than a plane that isn't working well. The good ones are either good right out of the box, or can be dialed in. The crappy ones will always be crappy even with copious fettling. The less expensive new ones are a crap shoot. You might get one that's workable... you might not.

    If you want surety - spend the money for the Veritas. Or even Lie Nielson if you want to "buy 'Murcan".
    Three main workable methods. Do as No 1 son did and locate a rough casting, then finish it to your own taste. Less costly than the first two and really satisfying.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Three main workable methods. Do as No 1 son did and locate a rough casting, then finish it to your own taste. Less costly than the first two and really satisfying.
    I would argue with 'main' as a modifier there. I'd call that path 'idiosyncratic'. Not bad or unworkable... just unusual. Off the beaten path.

    But interesting. Where'd he find the casting? Was it a good one? How'd he know?
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    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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