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    Default New to this club. Looking for chrysler inboard info. Circa 1947.

    First post. My name is Brian and I just picked up my first wood boat. It's a completely homemade 26 foot mahogany cruiser built by the local legendary boat builder. It's my retirement project to restore. It has two chrysler inboards, 6 cylinder flathead. I believe they are 1947 models, but know nothing else. Where would I be able to find serial numbers, manuals, information, etc? Thank you and I look forward to learning from this group.

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    As I said in another thread recently. Remember, boats are not like cars. You would not think of putting a Chevy engine in a Plymouth, but switching old boat engines for a modern version is commonly done. Your engines are over 70 years old. The chances that they were well cared for all of that is slim to zero. Much better to get modern engines.
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    I might be able to help you out with some basics as I have a pair of Chrysler Crowns (flat head sixes) in my boat.

    Pat and I sort of see things differently when it comes to these engines. Mine are 1957, they start when I turn the keys, they take me where I want to go (pretty close to 1000 miles this summer alone) and are simple to work on. There is very little that can’t be fixed with just a screwdriver and a pair of pliers so to speak. I will admit they are not ‘perfect’ but they give me no reason at all to think about repowering with something that I need a computer and trained tech to diagnose.

    Identifying you engines should be pretty easy as Chrysler made only two basic flat had sixes, the smaller “Ace” (about 235 cid and 90 hp), and the larger “Crown” (265 cid and 125 hp). There were variations of both models (like two carbs.) that would give a bit more hp, but those were the basic engines. - Chrysler also made a larger “Royal”, but that was a straight eight.
    These engines are simply marinized Chrysler automotive and small truck engines so sometimes basic engine parts are as close as your local NAPA store. The identification plates would be on top of the right rear motor mount if they are still there.
    I have a manual I could help you with, and they do come up on EBay pretty regularly, I usually see them for about $50-$75 range.
    If you can post some pictures I should be able to tell you if they are Aces or Crowns.
    Have you had them running yet?
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    Welcome to the forum!

    You'll never get diverging opinions here - as you've noticed

    Pat makes a great point about not being able to walk home, but Ned makes a good one about simplicity. If you are mechanically inclined, the Chrysler flatheads are solid, simple motors & were used all over the place & parts are available. I recently rebuilt a Bombardier sidewalk plow that uses one...

    As said - pictures please!
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    Hello Brian,

    A new old boat to work on now that you're retired!! Good for you!

    I agree, I/we would love to see some photos.

    Ned forgot one item for your tool kit.... the cover to a book of matches to use to set the points.

    Waiting for those photos.
    Regards,
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    Welcome aboard!
    Keep us posted on your project.

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    I'm not only new to wooden boat, this is the first forum I have joined. Trying to figure out how to send pics.

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    Default Re: New to this club. Looking for chrysler inboard info. Circa 1947.

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    Default Re: New to this club. Looking for chrysler inboard info. Circa 1947.

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    Here's one engine. I'll upload more pictures soon.

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    Welcome to the forum!
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    More recent photos followed by the original maiden launch in 1954.

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    I see the supervisor is already on the job - excellent!

    Have you had a survey done? I realize that they cost some $ upfront - but I can attest to having one saving far, far more down the road than the initial cost. If nothing else, it'll tell you how best to prioritize the work (engines don't matter if she's got a hole in the bottom or transom falling off, etc.).
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    That is a fun looking boat! And you are very fortunate that she has been stored inside.
    I’m not a hundred percent certain, but based on that one picture I will venture that those are the smaller Aces. Do you know if they turn over? They are nice & clean looking on the outside for sure. Wish mine had looked so good.

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    Garret's and other comments are well taken. I don't mean to advise not to rebuild antique engines. It is your money and if that is what you want to do with it...well, more power to you. I like old engines too.

    I just want readers here to understand; remember many readers here are new to boating. There are practically _no_ professionals here. Restoring a boat does not necessarily mean you have to restore the engine as well. Marine engines are not linked to their boats like cars and their engines are.

    Sure, restore your antique boat engine, but I guarantee you that the process will be more involved than a trip to the neighborhood auto parts store. I once did a restoration on client's a postwar Chris Custom. This is a beautiful and very desirable boat. The engine was a "racing" version of the normal Model M engine. A very cool engine. The owner and I agreed that the engine be restored. It was...costing several thousand dollars. (this was more than twenty years ago) Upon attempting to run the first time, water poured out of the block. The place the mechanic took the engine for examination did not have the block test for integrity. Well, the mechanic was one of the old time Lake Union marine mechanics and a solid citizen. He did the engine restoration again without charge using another block. I last saw the owner several years ago and the boat was still in service and providing pleasure for the owner and his family.

    Two points: 1. Be very, very careful when you make the decision on power for a restoration. 2. Marine engines are not linked to their boats like cars and their engines are.

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    Default Re: New to this club. Looking for chrysler inboard info. Circa 1947.

    Thanks for the info. One of the main questions I have is if it is an Ace or Crown engine. Then I can look for manuals and get some specs. As far as a survey goes, a local wood boat restorer has looked it over and thinks the bones are good. I did have to remove the caulking as someone used the wrong type, which caused some problems, but I think I can address that and get the bottom in shape. The 6 volt electric system will need some work also.

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    FYI the reason I would like to keep things somewhat original is that the boat began here in the Bay where I live and it's a tribute to the builder, who was a well known wood boat builder in this area. He mostly built sailboats. I need to do as much myself as I can for budget reasons. Working on my military retirement paychey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwscott View Post
    FYI the reason I would like to keep things somewhat original is that the boat began here in the Bay where I live and it's a tribute to the builder, who was a well known wood boat builder in this area. He mostly built sailboats. I need to do as much myself as I can for budget reasons. Working on my military retirement paychey.
    You are not going to restore the boat to be exactly as it was when built. Nobody, repeat nobody, retains a 6 volt system on a boat. The wiring will need to be replaced...old boat wiring is always horrendous and dangerous. There are precious few 6 volt accessories anymore. I doubt if you could find a 6 volt bilge pump. As was suggested by another, it would be a good idea to have a bona fide wood boat surveyor look at the boat. It will be expensive but it will be a tiny fraction of the total cost of the restoration in effort and dollars.

    What you need to do is to educate yourself on boat restoration. There are few professionals here. There are books which you should read. There is a book by Dannenberg which would be appropriate...it is mostly about runabouts but the would be suitable for small cruisers like yours.

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    If you are careful and patient I'm sure you can restore the boat. From the photos it looks pretty good. You might also find engine info on classic car and boat forums, or on facebook.

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    I should clarify a bit. I am in complete agreement with Pat that there is no downside of repowering a boat (unless it is something unusual engines are not tied to boats as they are to vintage cars).
    My comments were intended really along the lines that old engines can still provide good reliable service. They can also keep a rebuild project financially viable.

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    Thank you for your replies. The boat I am trying to restore has been in storage for at least 15 years. The engines were running when it was put away. I knew the builder who launched it in 1954. It is a mahogany double planked cruiser design of Lindsay Lord. I have been told it was called a Husky. I have been working on the bottom, which needs some help. Now its time to dive into the mechanical side of things. I can't find an actual data plate, but the stamps on the rear engine mount both have a date of 1947. Port engine head is stamped with E42109-M-1. Starboard engine head is stamped with E42109-M-2. It's interesting that the port engine says Chrysler Marine Engine and the starboard engine says New Chrysler Marine Engine. The rear motor mount shows a date of 6-20-47 on the port and 11-24-47 on the starboard, and are both stamped with E-13451-M. Both have Zenith carbs and a V drive gearbox. If i can determine exact model, then maybe I can find a parts and/or maintenance manual. I haven't tried to turn the engines over yet. I put a small amount of oil on top of each piston and plan to add a little diesel to loosen things up before I try turning them over.

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    Good luck with getting the engines started. If someone suggests, or if you think about doing a compression check I will suggest that any compression numbers are meaningless at this point. A compression test will tell you if all the valves are free and working, but that is about it.
    My engines had not even been turned over for 14 years before I took my boat on. I did a compression test to see if the valves were free or hung up and the compression numbers were all over the place (about 10 to 80 psi). After a dozen or so hours of running under load the compression numbers were all within 10% of about 115 psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcford View Post
    I doubt if you could find a 6 volt bilge pump.
    I might have a pair to sell as soon as I upgrade my system to 12 volt! Can't wait. I hear 12 volt systems are at least twice as good...

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    As an aside, I had my 1958 Chrysler Crown (flathead 6) completely rebuilt two years ago. I determined that re-powering would be far more expensive. The rebuilt engine runs great. It's a beast that should soldier on forever. Re-wiring and upgrading to 12V is now top of the list. Cranking power with my 6V system sucks, and the charging behavior of my generator (vs. an alternator) is disappointing to baffling.

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    Try contacting Northwest Classic Boats. David Lobb sent me information on serial numbers and dates of manufacture of Chrysler marine engines going back to the 1930s. He used to be in Redmond WA, but now I see he is in Auburn CA. 530-888-0100. Back when he sent me this information he sold parts for these engines. I couldn't make any sense out of your engine numbers, but maybe he can.

    I have a 1950 Matthews cruiser with its original Chrysler Crown engine. I love old engines, so I am going to hang onto it for as long as it's useable. I have taken two 600 mile trips and lived to tell the tale. On one of them the water pump shaft stripped its splines and of course the engine overheated. I had to get a machine shop to make a new one before heading home. On the other trip the charging system failed halfway through, but we still made it home before the batteries went totally dead. Modern engines might be more reliable, but if you're prepared with enough tools and spare parts (and a repair manual) you can keep the old engines working.

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    I had a 6v 1959 VW.
    That was a challenge, but at least I could push start it by myself on the flat.

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    I am a woodie boat owner from down under who also restores on old tractors.
    My oldest is a 1945 Minneapolis Moline RTU.
    And we get all our engine parts from the US.

    First tip; If those engines were running when they went into storage, my first tip is to try and turn them over by hand - put a vice grip on the shaft, in gear, remove spark plugs and lean into it.
    Second tip is to find some guys who restore old cars - there are a bunch of nice gears out there that will know all about Chrysler flathead sixes - you just need to find them.
    They will not be that far away - a friend of a friends most likely. But they will give you a lot of advice and help plus they will know the parts contacts.
    These are wartime engines which the US built lots of, with lots of spares, they were used in many vehicles and boats.
    The Marine references on the manifolds are to the marine cooling system, the guts of the engine are the same for all models.
    Third tip is do not be afraid - that is a time and dollar expensive restoration job, hull and engines - but you will end up with a smart and unique boat. You mates will not have one like it.

    Give it a go mate, and let us know of your progress.

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    I would also pour some oil into each cylinder with the plugs out and leave it a day before turning them over by hand.
    If they move freely, then you can think about hooking up a battery and turning over with the plugs still removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacko View Post
    I would also pour some oil into each cylinder with the plugs out and leave it a day before turning them over by hand.
    If they move freely, then you can think about hooking up a battery and turning over with the plugs still removed.

    I did put oil in top of cylinder, but didn't try turning engine over yet. I will let it sit for awhile since the weather is below freezing recently. I did finally find and cleanup the data plates. Engines are both Chrysler Crown's M-27 with V drives. Anyone know where I can find a manual?

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    I found out that they are making a 6 volt bilge pump. Made by Sailflo. And reasonably priced.

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    Fwiw, you can use the existing 6v starter with a 12 volt system, no problems it will work for years.
    The only down side is it starts real fast!
    Note that the Chrysler industrial/marine starters are a little different than an automobile, using a different drive/or Bendix, so don't just exchange yours for a "will fit".
    I have run 6v starters in many cars etc that I have converted to 12v. From Model A fords on up until 1956 models which was the the year almost all manufacturers switched.

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    Spent 52 years as a mechanic, started on boats at an old time Chris Craft dealer. Worked on many of these engines. They used them in forklifts until the 1980's. They are very easy to repair. Parts are available. Ditto on the 6v starter on 12v.

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    Watch Ebay for the manual.
    There is also a Facebook group for Chrysler Marine.

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