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    Ginsberg has become a feminist icon. But in her work, she destroyed any and all affirmative action and public programs that favored women.

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    Ginsburg ruthlessly litigated based on a white feminist legal theory called “anti-classification” theory, also known as “sameness feminism,” “sex-blindness,” or “anti-stereotyping” theory. Similar to the concept of color-blindness, sex-blindness is the belief that there should be no differentiation based on sex, even affirmative action and preferential policies. These white feminists, including Ginsburg, theorized that beneficial policies that differentiated on the basis of gender stereotyped women as weaker than men. Thus, they opposed these policies as sexist. It was an easy theory for white women to embrace, as sexism was often the only form of discrimination they faced, so the eradication of preferential sex treatment meant the eradication of their problems.
    Right. RBG always took the easy way out.

    Whether the Whities opposed the policies as sexist is irrelevant. Laws were struck down because they violated equal protection. Leftists hate equal protection because it denies the moral primacy of social revolution. The rights of the individual are more important. One of them is the right to equal protection. Put it in your pipe and smoke it.

    Ginsburg’s legal legacy is one that, against all reason, is predicated upon the inherently racist and classist belief that women should not receive any preferential treatment, at the devastating expense of the most vulnerable populations within the category of women who needed these preferential policies—poor, queer, and non-white women.

    Although it may not have been Ginsburg’s explicit intent to harm the most marginalized of women, part of the insidiousness of white feminism is that it convinces its believers that the white woman’s experience is the universal experience for all women, and that all women aspire to the social position of white men. In the end, it is not the intent, but the devastating impact that matters.
    I don't give a S what is or isn't the white woman's experience, or anyone's experience. I don't care what "white feminism" is. Equal protection is the law. She was a litigator, a program leader, and a Justice. She was your ideological enemy. Say it.

    Liberals, time you recognized how the radicals have got you scared of your own shadow. Their goals are not your goals. They are not liberals any more than Republicans are conservatives. You will not likely defeat Trumpism in that frame of mind. Even if do you beat the right radicals, you get one breath of relief and then it's back to war against the left radicals.

    “As important as her women’s rights work was her broader commitment to equal justice and civil rights.”

    Ms. Sow, now an author and host of the podcast “Call Your Girlfriend,” said that some criticisms of the
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    were warranted. “It speaks to a real laziness in our culture to elevate people and think you’ve done the work,” she said.

    But she pushed back against what she said were facile critiques of Justice Ginsburg’s legal work as “white lady” feminism.

    “The reason so many young people get to be blasé or cool” by trashing Justice Ginsburg’s record as insufficiently radical, or overly tied to institutions and incremental change, she said, “is that she created this world where people are free to do that.”

    “She seems like this older relic,” Ms. Sow, who is 35, continued. “But the point of being a trailblazer is she gets to age into a world where people my age don’t have to remember how hard it was. I mean, not too long before I was born, women couldn’t even get a credit card.”

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    Lord you are in an ugly frame of mind lately.

    Ginsberg was, like all but the most exceptionally sterling among us, both a product of her times... and a complex human being with areas of both strength and weakness.
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    gonna get a knocking there, OR.. I was excoriated for pointing out all justices - incl President Obama's nominees - were conservative, even while RBG yet walked.

    A culture being undeniable - 'kinder, gentler (sexist, racist) corporatists - are still (sexist, racist) corporatists. It's systemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Lord you are in an ugly frame of mind lately.

    Ginsberg was, like all but the most exceptionally sterling among us, both a product of her times... and a complex human being with areas of both strength and weakness.
    Pfft. Irrelevant truism, and a departure from the question.

    She was the ideological enemy of the current leftist vogue. They said so then, they say so now. We'll have no waffling there.

    Is that the "weakness" you speak of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durnik View Post
    gonna get a knocking there, OR.. I was excoriated for pointing out all justices - incl President Obama's nominees - were conservative, even while RBG yet walked.
    Not sure what you mean by conservative. A conservative judge is not conservative in the bull S modern sense

    Quote Originally Posted by Durnik View Post
    A culture being undeniable - 'kinder, gentler (sexist, racist) corporatists - are still (sexist, racist) corporatists. It's systemic.
    A culture is systemic, by definition. I don't know what you mean by a culture being "undeniable".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durnik View Post
    gonna get a knocking there, OR.. I was excoriated for pointing out all justices - incl President Obama's nominees - were conservative, even while RBG yet walked.

    A culture being undeniable - 'kinder, gentler (sexist, racist) corporatists - are still (sexist, racist) corporatists. It's systemic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Not sure what you mean by conservative. A conservative judge is not conservative in the bull S modern sense
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    In a modern discussion (meaning today) one would have to use "the bull S modern sense" to be understood, no?
    If we reached back to Socrates it would all be so much Greek

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    If you can’t say something nice ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    In a modern discussion (meaning today) one would have to use "the bull S modern sense" to be understood, no?
    If we reached back to Socrates it would all be so much Greek
    On the contrary. The bull s modern sense becomes more bull S with each passing day. Accordingly the distinction between it and "conservative judge" becomes more important. A conservative judge upholds the Constitution. It's under attack from leftists. Which side are you on? There is no middle position. No compromise is possible.
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    Ginsburg wasn't corrupt. Used to be, that wasn't a high bar on SCOTUS or the Federal benches. For Trump appointees, it's a high bar.
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    I never learned this “woke” term. Is it like enlightenment? Ya know, Buddha and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I never learned this “woke” term. Is it like enlightenment? Ya know, Buddha and all that.
    Not any more! It has taken on an Orwellian cast. War is peace, freedom is slavery type deal.
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    oh, Bluey stuff.

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    Default Re: So, uh, actually RBG was just like this old white lady, not woke at all

    So, 'woke' is 'sleeping'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I never learned this “woke” term. Is it like enlightenment? Ya know, Buddha and all that.
    It's from Socrates

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    "Do your little bit of good where you are; it's those little bits of good put together that overwhelm the world." ― [Archbishop] Desmond Tutu
    Or as my baseball coach liked to emphasize: You don't win ball games with out of the park home runs. You win baseball games by repeatedly putting players on bases and moving them around the base. It's singles and grounders and stolen bases that win 5e game.
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    So, what do NBA players get about Ruth Bader Ginsburg that you seem to miss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Or as my baseball coach liked to emphasize: You don't win ball games with out of the park home runs. You win baseball games by repeatedly putting players on bases and moving them around the base. It's singles and grounders and stolen bases that win 5e game.

    Most of the great managers of the modern era base strategy around the idea of "a bloop and a blast" game management.

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