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    Default Isn't the senate the population equalizer?

    Every state, regardless of size, gets two senators.

    Isn't that the congressional equalizer that protect states with fewer people?

    Isn't the Electoral College redundant?
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    There was one overriding reason why the Electoral College was added to our constitution. Those with the power of rule making simply did not trust that the average citizen is qualified to make the ultimate choice of the person who would be president so they placed a cushion between the people who voted and the presidential choice. It was another layer insulating the masses from such a power which was considered wise. Remember that the original body of presidential voters was even much more restrictive than it is now, and for the same reason. A fear or making too bold a change from the old English system of landed aristocracy still had lots of believers in the new country.

    There is no longer any valid reason for its existence and it must be abolished.
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    Default Re: Isn't the senate the population equalizer?

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    The founders did not trust the people. They feared democracy. That is why we have a bicameral legislature and an Electoral College.

    For better or worse the U.S.A. as constituted is a Republic, not a Democracy.

    The U.S. Constitution provides a means for its revision and even replacement. The founders thought it would be amended, altered, and even replaced as necessary. They were revolutionaries. They were the ultimate leftists by rebelling against their government. But also, paradoxically, the ultimate conservatives.

    Their descendants are neither leftists nor revolutionaries. Not at all.
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    Default Re: Isn't the senate the population equalizer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Lathrop View Post
    There was one overriding reason why the Electoral College was added to our constitution. Those with the power of rule making simply did not trust that the average citizen is qualified to make the ultimate choice of the person who would be president so they placed a cushion between the people who voted and the presidential choice. It was another layer insulating the masses from such a power which was considered wise. Remember that the original body of presidential voters was even much more restrictive than it is now, and for the same reason. A fear or making too bold a change from the old English system of landed aristocracy still had lots of believers in the new country.

    There is no longer any valid reason for its existence and it must be abolished.
    Under that definition, wasn't it there job to prevent a president Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Under that definition, wasn't it there job to prevent a president Trump?
    Are we supposed to read this phonetically or as written? Please clarify.

    (For those of you who peeked, sorry, it's too early to figure out obscure posts.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Under that definition, wasn't it there job to prevent a president Trump?
    Of course, that is a clear interpretation and it was tried by democrats in 2018 but it was apparently just pi$$ing in the wind. The strength of those who hold that the EC is beholden to vote as the plurality of their state's people voted was stronger.

    Which brings up the question of what purpose is served by the EC? NONE apparently, and it must be abolished as it violates the Constitutional principle that each vote is equal to each other vote. Or does it?
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    Default Re: Isn't the senate the population equalizer?

    posted in RBG Memorial, but fits here too..

    according to Lawrence Lessig, our problem lies elsewhere.. as in 'our' representatives, aren't -

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    Default Re: Isn't the senate the population equalizer?

    The Senate was gamed by creating the Dakota's, and Nevada. The house is gamed by gerrymandering, and the exponential increase in representation per congress house representative.

    The US congress should be around 9000 members right now. With any justice the Senate would be at least 106 or 107. We're keeping territories that long surpassed the goal posts that existing states reached before becoming states. Mainly because it would destroy republican gaming of the Senate, but also the massive amount of bipartisan corruption that keeps the status quo.

    At this point ways to fix the problem don't really matter though. Structural fixes won't really help the current population as much as it would help our kids and grandkids. For them it's probably better to prepare for coping with a post United States world. The country isn't going anywhere, but it's place in the world is.

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    Default Re: Isn't the senate the population equalizer?

    Equalizer or a way to game the system, I suppose it depends on what state you live in.

    In the Senate California has the same representation as oh...Kentucky even though they have 9 times the population. Doesn't seem fair to the Californians.
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