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    Default If Biden wins and Dems get majorities:

    I think they need to pass some very necessary legislation.

    A president cannot pull us out of something a previous president agreed to without congressional approval.

    A president cannot retroactively reverse an executive order, and he can't reverse that order without congressional approval.

    Those would be my first two. I'm sure some others will have suggestions.
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    I'd be very uncomfortable relying on the US's dodgy electoral system and it's voting histories to pull this particular iron out of the fire.

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    I do not know about the latter, but I do agree that something Congress has approved should not be so casually discarded by the whims of one man. Once it is approved, it should be viewed as if law.
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    How about starting with the fundamentals?

    - Only Congress can declare wars of any size, with no workarounds

    - Electoral college votes shall be apportioned in proportion to the votes in each state.

    - All American citizens living in the United States shall have the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    How about starting with the fundamentals?

    - Electoral college votes shall be apportioned in proportion to the votes in each state.
    So Presidential elections should be decided by the popular vote? Is that what they have in Brazil? If so, how's that system working for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    How about starting with the fundamentals?

    - All American citizens living in the United States shall have the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in Congress.
    Isn't that the current system? Or is there something I'm missing?

    (Don't forget the post above.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    How about starting with the fundamentals?

    - Only Congress can declare wars of any size, with no workarounds

    - Electoral college votes shall be apportioned in proportion to the votes in each state.

    - All American citizens living in the United States shall have the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in Congress.
    How do you get those states who benefit from the EC to let it change?

    The other suggestions I made I believe can be done by legislation.

    One of the worst things Trump has done is pull us out of thing Obama put us in. This shows the world that our word is good only until our next election.

    Taking us out of the Iran deal or the Paris accord, IMO, should require congressional approval

    The people who 'came out of the shadows' because Obama issued an executive order should have remained safe. Trump should have the authority to issue a new order, or rescind that order, but not retroactively.

    Congress needs more involvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    One of the worst things Trump has done is pull us out of thing Obama put us in. This shows the world that our word is good only until our next election.

    Taking us out of the Iran deal or the Paris accord, IMO, should require congressional approval

    The people who 'came out of the shadows' because Obama issued an executive order should have remained safe. Trump should have the authority to issue a new order, or rescind that order, but not retroactively.
    Shouldn't all of those items have had Congressional approval in the first place?

    Who's supposed to be running this show, anyhow? Congress, or an imperial President?

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    ... things will get better.
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    An electoral commission charged with;
    1 - Eliminating gerrymandering.
    2 - Oversight of the electoral process.

    Screwing the people by repressing the ability to vote should be charged as treason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Isn't that the current system? Or is there something I'm missing?

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    Two things, actually. DC and PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Two things, actually. DC and PR.

    Along with USVI, Northern mariana islands, American Somoa, and Guam. If you live in any of those places, you do not get to vote for the President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    An electoral commission charged with;
    1 - Eliminating gerrymandering.
    2 - Oversight of the electoral process.

    Screwing the people by repressing the ability to vote should be charged as treason.
    I think that's cultural PI, and maybe even constitutional depending on which party has control of the HC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    I think they need to pass some very necessary legislation.

    A president cannot pull us out of something a previous president agreed to without congressional approval.

    A president cannot retroactively reverse an executive order, and he can't reverse that order without congressional approval.

    Those would be my first two. I'm sure some others will have suggestions.
    basically you want to ignore the constitution when it suits you

    go it
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    One party rule would seem to discourage compromise. I don't have any faith that either party is indeed with Pope like infallibillity. Discussion has a tendency to improve ideas

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    If one party won't do, and two parties result in chaos, scrap it all and consider a parliamentary form incorporating the guarantees required to retain a sane polity.

    The first thing to address as we stand are presidential powers. The powers of the presidency need to be weakened and also, better defined. With strict limits. That's a high priority item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    basically you want to ignore the constitution when it suits you

    go it
    The constitution can be amended

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    One party rule would seem to discourage compromise. I don't have any faith that either party is indeed with Pope like infallibillity. Discussion has a tendency to improve ideas
    Neither do I, but I have no doubt whatsoever that the Republican Party is a cesspool of evil, and an existential threat to the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    - All American citizens living in the United States shall have the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in Congress.
    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Isn't that the current system? Or is there something I'm missing?
    Two things, actually. DC and PR.
    Your question was framed in terms of "American citizens living in the United States." That is currently the status of citizens of Puerto Rico (who are US citizens) living in one of the 50 States, but not--for any citizen--residing in the territories. Citizens residing in the the District of Columbia (not a state) vote for President (23rd Amendment). They have (mostly) nonvoting representation in the House, as do citizens of Puerto Rico.

    Along with USVI, Northern mariana islands, American Somoa, and Guam. If you live in any of those places, you do not get to vote for the President.
    Territories of the US operate under different rules than do the States.


    By the way, what about the following question?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    So Presidential elections should be decided by the popular vote? Is that what they have in Brazil? If so, how's that system working for you?
    Last edited by kgr1; 09-20-2020 at 04:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Your question was framed in terms of "American citizens living in the United States." That is currently the status of citizens of Puerto Rico (who are US citizens) living in one of the 50 States, but not--for any citizen--residing in the territories. Citizens residing in the the District of Columbia (not a state) vote for President (23rd Amendment). They have (mostly) nonvoting representation in the House, as do citizens of Puerto Rico.



    Territories of the US operate under different rules than do the States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Shouldn't all of those items have had Congressional approval in the first place?

    Who's supposed to be running this show, anyhow? Congress, or an imperial President?
    Lots of presidents issue executive orders. A lot of work went into the Iran deal and the climate accord. It wasn't just a president deciding to do so, I don't think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Too duh clever by half kegger
    Just had to post something, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Just had to post something, eh?
    yes, apparently you did. Hopefully Obamacare covers your rib removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Too duh clever by half kegger
    Just had to post something, eh?
    yes, apparently you did. Hopefully Obamacare covers your rib removal.
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    Make DC and PR states
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    Make (A) DC and (B) PR states
    Why, and how? "A" might become quite complicated, and "B" might not go down well with all the citizens of PR.

    What's to be gained, and for whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    Make DC and PR states
    As DC is mostly in Maryland, just let those people be Marylanders. PR needs to finally be put to a vote. If they were their own state, they would not be in the dreadful shape they are in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    How about starting with the fundamentals?

    - Only Congress can declare wars of any size, with no workarounds

    - Electoral college votes shall be apportioned in proportion to the votes in each state.

    - All American citizens living in the United States shall have the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in Congress.
    I have donated to
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    who pay the fines and fees that prevent citizens from voting, another electoral lurk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    As DC is mostly in Maryland, just let those people be Marylanders.
    Sure, and Wyoming, with less population, is mostly in Montana, so why not merge them too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Why, and how? "A" might become quite complicated, and "B" might not go down well with all the citizens of PR.

    What's to be gained, and for whom?
    Representation in congress; with votes
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Why, and how? "A" might become quite complicated, and "B" might not go down well with all the citizens of PR.

    What's to be gained, and for whom?
    Representation in congress; with votes
    Votes for whom, really? (As if that weren't obvious.)

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    Votes for American citizens who live in the capital of the United States. They currently enjoy taxation without representation and very limited local government. Why do you defend this?

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    How about term limits for those serving in the Senate and House of Reps?

    Since we have lower age limit to be President (35), should not there also be an upper age limit?

    Abolish the Electoral College completely - popular vote ONLY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Sure, and Wyoming, with less population, is mostly in Montana, so why not merge them too?

    that's just silly. Washington DC is only 68 square miles in size (177 square Kilometers). Making it part of Maryland, as it was carved out of Maryland and Virginia before Virginia was given back it's part before the Civil war, would just be just and smart. Make it like the Vatican, only the actual capital is separate
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    Votes for whom, really? (As if that weren't obvious.)
    For the people of Puerto Rico and Washington, DC.

    Oh, wait! You mean you are opposed to those people getting the vote because they would vote against racism, sedition, tyranny and corruption!

    Now, take a good long look in the mirror.

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