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    What does the DNC ,or whoever, DO, with the money ?
    Is it all TV, Facebook,radio adds to get people to vote or change their mind ?
    Is this terribly naive of me?
    "give us money so we can defeat Mc Connell"...or is it naive of folks who give their money to politicians ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    What does the DNC ,or whoever, DO, with the money ?
    Is it all TV, Facebook,radio adds to get people to vote or change their mind ?
    Is this terribly naive of me?
    "give us money so we can defeat Mc Connell"...or is it naive of folks who give their money to politicians ?
    Running a campaign does cost money. Renting local offices as hubs for door-knocking. Paying some staff to round up and coordinate volunteers. Office staff. Mundane things like paper, toner, coffee, pizza.

    And then there's the tv, radio, and billboards. And producing an ad is not cheap... though it might be far easier now (digital) than back when I was involved. And paying very smart, expensive, cynical a**holes to do counter-oppo research and devise strategies for fending off the misrepresentations that R's love to lob in over the transom.

    And that's just the beginning.
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    Money is cheap these days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leikec View Post
    ^

    An adult case of colic, playing out in print...

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    Yes, and we seem to have more than one such sufferer lately.
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    She was a pilar of integrity and fair dealing.

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    Fearless RBG. A full page ad in today's NY Times:
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    Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s Legacy
    By The Editorial Board
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    The cynicism of the political moment stands in sharp relief against Justice Ginsburg’s idealism.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/19/o...pgtype=Article
    This means you, punks. But it isn't idealism. Idealism is philosophy. RBG dealt in law. Law is action.

    WASHINGTON — There was a framed copy of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 on the wall of the chambers of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died on Friday. She counted the law among her proudest achievements, even as it illustrated her limited power. As part of the Supreme Court’s four-member liberal wing, she did her most memorable work in dissent.

    The law was a reaction to her minority opinion inc, the 2007 ruling that said Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 imposed strict time limits for bringing workplace discrimination suits. She called on Congress to overturn the decision, and it did.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/u...variant=1_Show
    She "lost" the case, eh? Was it because she had "limited power"? Not enough to overcome "systemic discrimination"? Of course she had limited power. Every public official has limited power, numb nuts. Did she have the power to legislate? No. Then how did the statute come to bear the name of the party in a case she "lost"? "She called on Congress to overturn the decision, and it did."

    You know what power she had? The power of persuasion, which contrary to the dumb S lover of style view of things, is not a matter of style. It's a matter of substance and determination. From "the pursuit of happiness" to "equal protection of the law" and right up to the morning of argument, and everything in between. She labored to acquire mastery of the substance, and fought her way into positions where she could bring it to bear. And never gave up, like you, punks. Real people got real relief and have RBG to thank for it. What do you imagine you are accomplishing with your cynicism? You're the failure, not the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post
    So, since the 1880s, How many vacancies have there been in an election year when the president is from another party? I can say with great authority that any one particular thing hasn’t happen since the 1880s if it’s obscure enough...
    There have been 29 occasions where there was a SCOTUS nomination made in an election year. For 19 of those occasions, the President and the Senate majority were of the same party, resulting in 17 confirmations.

    For the other 10 occasions, the President and the Senate majority were of different parties. Only 2 such nominations were confirmed.

    The Democrats are simply full of garbage. Neither the law nor historical precedent supports their present position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    There have been 29 occasions where there was a SCOTUS nomination made in an election year. For 19 of those occasions, the President and the Senate majority were of the same party, resulting in 17 confirmations.

    For the other 10 occasions, the President and the Senate majority were of different parties. Only 2 such nominations were confirmed.

    The Democrats are simply full of garbage. Neither the law nor historical precedent supports their present position.
    You are right that nominations should be received and acted upon by the Senate right up to the last day of a presidency. What other logical deadline could there be?

    Senator Mitch McConnell broke all precedent when he refused to take on President Obama’s nomination of Garland Merrick. It was purely a political power act. What can the objection be for fighting fire with fire? This is McConnell’s fault, exploding in his face. He deserves whatever opposition he gets.

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    this is McConnell's fault
    No. RBG could have stepped down, much as Kennedy did, when there was executive and Senate majority unity at the time of retirement. She could have "chosen" her replacement, much as Kennedy did. Many Democrats begged her to step down, knowing her long-standing health problems and fearing precisely this situation. The Democrats could have had a 40 year old progressive sitting there for 40 years. They blew it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    There have been 29 occasions where there was a SCOTUS nomination made in an election year. For 19 of those occasions, the President and the Senate majority were of the same party, resulting in 17 confirmations.
    Sure, so what's the convention - whatever the Reps find most convenient on any given day?

    in March 2016, following the death of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, the Republican-controlled Senate refused to consider Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland to the court—or even grant him a hearing—arguing that the Senate hadn’t confirmed an election year nominee since 1932.
    this Supreme Court vacancy is the second-closest to an election ever—the only one that occurred closer was when Chief Justice Roger B. Taney died 27 days before the 1864 presidential election. Then-president Abraham Lincoln delayed his nomination of Salmon P. Chase until after he won reelection.
    the overall length of the Supreme Court confirmation process has “increased significantly over the course of more than 200 years.” Once completed within about a week, in recent decades the process has stretched to two to three months. The confirmation process for Obama nominees Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan lasted 66 and 87 days, respectively, while Trump nominees Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh lasted 65 and 90 days.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    In the end, these arguments are kind of dumb. People are demanding that Republicans shine off a SCOTUS seat where they hold the Presidency and a Senate majority. It's silly. It isn't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    In the end, these arguments are kind of dumb. People are demanding that Republicans shine off a SCOTUS seat where they hold the Presidency and a Senate majority. It's silly. It isn't going to happen.
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    gypsie, you've left out the number of days of RBG's confirmation process. How many days did that one take?

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    The party of Lincoln?

    I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. --- Abraham Lincoln
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    The party of Lincoln?

    I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. --- Abraham Lincoln
    Not sure why you’d be surprised. This is the situation we’re live in now...

    Be patriotic, save the country: next election, vote against EVERY Republican, for EVERY office, at EVERY level, they are all #Complicit
    A sentiment shared and agreed with here quite frequently. If this is the way your team runs, why expect differently of the other team.

    If you vote for an old white guy in November, nothing will change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    No. RBG could have stepped down, much as Kennedy did, when there was executive and Senate majority unity at the time of retirement. She could have "chosen" her replacement, much as Kennedy did. Many Democrats begged her to step down, knowing her long-standing health problems and fearing precisely this situation. The Democrats could have had a 40 year old progressive sitting there for 40 years. They blew it.
    Diversion. Irrelevant.

    McConnell declined to review a nomination from a President.

    Now he decides things are different with some hokey malarkey about which party is in power quack quack quack.

    He’s simply lying and cheating. And he has quite a few colleagues on the record saying that they would not review a Trump nomination in the last year of Trump’s presidency, which they used as a smokescreen to justify their perfidy over Merrick.

    Power politics begets power politics. But it sure makes MAGA people cry baby tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    There have been 29 occasions where there was a SCOTUS nomination made in an election year. For 19 of those occasions, the President and the Senate majority were of the same party, resulting in 17 confirmations.

    For the other 10 occasions, the President and the Senate majority were of different parties. Only 2 such nominations were confirmed.

    The Democrats are simply full of garbage. Neither the law nor historical precedent supports their present position.
    so in 140 years something has happened 19 times, That’s your precedent? This is rank political opportunism. Justify it as much as you want. I hope McConnell’s opponent is smart enough to make hay out of it.
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    Majority of Americans, including many Republicans, say wait for election to replace Ginsburg

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN26B0TN



    Which dovetails with this article --

    3 ways McConnell’s drive to replace Ginsburg could be derailed

    https://www.salon.com/2020/09/20/3-w...ailed_partner/
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Running a campaign does cost money. Renting local offices as hubs for door-knocking. Paying some staff to round up and coordinate volunteers. Office staff. Mundane things like paper, toner, coffee, pizza.

    And then there's the tv, radio, and billboards. And producing an ad is not cheap... though it might be far easier now (digital) than back when I was involved. And paying very smart, expensive, cynical a**holes to do counter-oppo research and devise strategies for fending off the misrepresentations that R's love to lob in over the transom.

    And that's just the beginning.
    Lawrence Lessig has a thing or two to say about this..

    'Our democracy no longer represents the people. Here's how we fix it | Larry Lessig | TEDxMidAtlantic - YouTube '

    back to RBG..

    When there are nine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durnik View Post
    Lawrence Lessig has a thing or two to say about this..

    'Our democracy no longer represents the people. Here's how we fix it | Larry Lessig | TEDxMidAtlantic - YouTube '

    back to RBG..

    When there are nine.
    I agree with the notion that we need to exclude - by law and regulation - the monied interests having too much influence. At any stage. And to make the remainder transparent. This would benefit the system in obvious ways, and in lots of less obvious ways. This is not what our system was intended to be, and the more we allow the perversion, the more dysfunctional it becomes. And the harder it becomes to correct things.

    And how do we do that? At the moment, and firstly - by getting rid of the R's - who have embraced every aspect of making the rich and powerful even MORE rich and powerful. And then we need to hold the D's feet to the fire on making all such pro-democracy, pro-equality changes. Younger people are getting savvier. Some of them are even figuring out that they need to vote to enact the changes they'd like to see. And the threat to primary the stogy ones, or the ones who are to some degree beholden themselves to those monied interests will have some real teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    You are right that nominations should be received and acted upon by the Senate right up to the last day of a presidency. What other logical deadline could there be?

    Senator Mitch McConnell broke all precedent when he refused to take on President Obama’s nomination of Garland Merrick. It was purely a political power act. What can the objection be for fighting fire with fire? This is McConnell’s fault, exploding in his face. He deserves whatever opposition he gets.
    'Integrity' is the answer.

    Yes, it's McConnell's fault. Yes, it was grossly misplayed 4 years ago.

    Four years ago, RBG herself, Obama, and numerous Bilge members made strong statements that it was the absolute duty of the president and the senate to nominate and evaluate the next USSC judge upon a vacancy.

    We have Democrats who proclaimed it wrong 4 years ago, saying it's okay now that it would benefit them. I can see how it feels 'right', and it's karma playing out its role. But abandoning what's right, for what feels right, means you're no better than the opposition was four years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    'Integrity' is the answer.

    Yes, it's McConnell's fault. Yes, it was grossly misplayed 4 years ago.

    Four years ago, RBG herself, Obama, and numerous Bilge members made strong statements that it was the absolute duty of the president and the senate to nominate and evaluate the next USSC judge upon a vacancy.

    We have Democrats who proclaimed it wrong 4 years ago, saying it's okay now that it would benefit them. I can see how it feels 'right', and it's karma playing out its role. But abandoning what's right, for what feels right, means you're no better than the opposition was four years ago.
    Yes. Or, this is one of the very rare cases where two wrongs make a right.

    A just outcome would be that Trump misses a turn, as Obama did.

    Both cases serve as a monument to Mitch McConnell’s complete lack of integrity.

    And then we return to regular order, in Supreme Court nominations and legislation.

    I have no problem with the Democrats playing hardball on this one. Or holding those accountable - McConnell, Graham, Grassley - to actually do what they said they’d do under these circumstances.

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    It was wrong 4 years ago. Garland's nomination was blocked for 293 days; accounting for the time between Scalia's death and Gorsuch's eventual confirmation, the seat itself was vacant for 421 days. The longest vacancy since the 1860s, apparently.

    The arguments the GOP made at the time differ from the arguments which they're making now, though GOP talking heads will not acknowledge as much. At the time, a nomination made 10 months before the inauguration of a new President was called invalid because "the people" ought to be able to "have a voice" through their votes for a new POTUS.

    The argument now is that such a situation only matters if the Senate majority and White House occupant are from different parties. If they're of the same party, "elections have consequences" and a SCOTUS confirmation is fair game at any point, including in the "lame duck" portion of a term after "the people" may have spoken quite a different word.

    That's garbage. Reeking, rodent-ridden garbage.

    McConnell and his GOP followers were nakedly awful in 2016, when what frankly the politically savvy thing would have been to delay hearings on Garland till, say, August, then drag them out, and whip the vote against him. Which would have left Obama no time to find another nominee before his term ended. It would have got the same SCOTUS result, while preserving a fiction of the Senate acting impartially and according to norms.

    They had the Constitutional room to do what they did, but it was nakedly awful. Spiteful. But empowering as hell to the GOP base, which is why it occurred. "Own the libtards."

    The same "Own the libtards" imperative is what's operating this time. Similarly calculated to empower the GOP base, heedless of any interest in actually gathering the nation into one body. This is the Civil War, declared and fought during Obama's presidency by Mitch, and latterly pursued even more nakedly by Trump and the Trumpists. Call it what it is.

    Since it's the Civil War, the Dems need first to simply overwhelm the new Confederacy on the battlefield of the Federal elections now underway, and in the post-war period move swiftly to crush the disordered resistance. Expand the court to say, 15 - nominating centrists who've been registered over the years in each party. Eliminate the filibuster. Then legislate clear mandates for independent prosecutors with unquestioned powers to subpoena and enforce subpoenas, to investigate and indict people in public office including the POTUS for corruption committed in order to obtain office or during time in office.

    Get a test case before the new expanded SCOTUS asap to codify the boundaries of such laws' Constitutionality.

    That is, the Biden administration must be the change they want to see. Must embody the values they claim to hold, and in doing so put the lie to the claims that "if the shoe were on the other foot, the Dems would be as corrupt." Erase some of the ground for corruption to grow, and dare the American citizens to ante up and be who they've always claimed they wanted to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Yeah.

    She defended

    the Constitution

    in sharp contrast to all you bull S liberals who affect this loathsome cowardly half-baked half-ass half-wit chicken S pseudo-cynicism about

    the Constitution

    that is the only thing that protects all that you take for granted.

    FY and your childish absorption with style, too. She had what you never will understand, let alone achieve, because you are foolish, ignorant, petulant children.



    She did not "change the model". What did she wear? A bikini? What did she do at the SOU, play the harmonica? You're absolutely wrong, you're in la la land, but more importantly, so F ing what about your stupid model that you wish she had shown? You want a show?

    Everyone
    "lives within the fray", that's her point.



    Ginsburg is associated not just typically but correctly with the legal style (that word again) of change, which is not revolutionary. It's anti-revolutionary, do you understand? Do you have the F ing ghost of an idea what you're talking about? Here's something to get you started: celebrating her as a revolutionary is incorrect, fundamentally, and dangerously. "She changed the model" is merely ignorantly erroneous and frivolous. She was a Justice of the United States Supreme Court. The major leagues of the Enlightenment, a moral and intellectual movement that goes back centuries, you novelty-craving POS.

    You people want something for nothing. You want freedom for free. You want the government to deliver the results you want without your involvement, without even taking particular notice. How tiresome! You want to be rescued by revolution, or at any rate by revolutionaries -- aren't they stylish? Above all you want to be au courant. Above all, you want to be above it all. You're stupid.

    RBG sacrificed much to do the work in the real world. You're unworthy of the actual woman. You have no idea of what she did or what it's worth. You only want an image that doesn't challenge your ignorance.
    I think you're being way too hard on folks like Art.

    This thread is a WAKE, for God's sake, not a gorram war.

    Leaving aside the personal assault, I do think the substance of this rant is accurate, though.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Yes. Or, this is one of the very rare cases where two wrongs make a right.

    A just outcome would be that Trump misses a turn, as Obama did.

    Both cases serve as a monument to Mitch McConnell’s complete lack of integrity.

    And then we return to regular order, in Supreme Court nominations and legislation.

    I have no problem with the Democrats playing hardball on this one. Or holding those accountable - McConnell, Graham, Grassley - to actually do what they said they’d do under these circumstances.
    Precisely. As Murkowski said, 'Fair is fair'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    I think you're being way too hard on folks like Art.

    This thread is a WAKE, for God's sake, not a gorram war.

    Leaving aside the personal assault, I do think the substance of this rant is accurate, though.
    ??? I was agreeing with Art.

    I was excoriating the article cited, as representing the "style" idiots, and the airheads who content themselves with content-free rationalizations of why they don't support the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Precisely. As Murkowski said, 'Fair is fair'.
    Has nothing to do with fairness. This is a republic, not a coalition.

    It's not enough to delay this one. Republicans have to admit that the reason they are delaying this one is because they were wrong to delay the previous one. Logically and morally, it's undeniable, but that means nothing to them. I want the words forced from their mouths with the whole world watching.

    That's fair.
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    .
    From the daily newspaper in Mitch McConnell’s hometown :

    The only thing Mitch McConnell craves is power. Democrats must respond in kind

    Joseph Gerth
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    If the Democrats have any chance of stopping Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell from filling late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s seat with an ultra-right conservative before the Nov. 3 election, they have to be as ruthless as he is.

    They have to be willing to make up rules when it benefits them.

    They have to lie and embrace hypocrisy when it’s to their advantage.

    They have to let McConnell know he’ll likely only have his majority on the court for a few short months before Democrats strike a blow he won’t soon forget.

    They have to let him know they will use whatever power voters give them in November with the sole goal of strengthening their hands politically and returning balance to the courts — the old standards and rules be damned.

    In other words, they must become him.

    They must convince McConnell if Joe Biden wins the presidency and the Democrats win the Senate, they will pack the court by adding two new justices to offset the advantage Republicans gained when they refused to even consider President Barack Obama’s appointment of Merrick Garland to the court in 2016.

    Next, they must tell him they will do away with the Senate’s filibuster rule for the sole purpose of granting statehood to Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. — a move that would likely give Democrats four additional Senate seats, five more U.S. House seats and nine more votes in the Electoral College.

    Both D.C. and Puerto Rico would have been granted statehood years ago if it were not for politics and racism that have stopped the creation of the first plurality Black state and first majority Hispanic or Latino state from entering the union.

    Democrats must be prepared to do it now. With or without the help of Republicans.

    These aren’t normal times, and Democrats can’t play by the old rules.

    McConnell, with his hypocrisy, guile and cynicism, has broken the American system of government. He has supported an outlaw president throughout his administration who has broken laws and norms.

    The Kentucky Republican has looked away and said nothing.

    He has played a crucial role — perhaps THE crucial role — in creating the political strife that threatens to tear this country apart by pressing an agenda that treats with utter disdain the majority of Americans who vote repeatedly for Democratic control of the Senate, only to see Republicans maintain their Senate advantage because they win in sparsely populated states in the Plains and mountain west.

    We have seen him use the election of Republicans to the presidency — even though the last two have won the Electoral College despite losing the popular vote — to take advantage of the very rules designed to stop the tyranny of the majority to institute a tyranny of the minority.

    The most dramatic example of McConnell’s Machiavellian maneuvers to undermine the norms of our nation started on Feb. 13, 2016, when Justice Antonin Scalia was found dead in his room on a Texas hunting trip.

    Within hours of his death, McConnell issued a statement saying the Senate would not consider any appointment to the seat by Barack Obama.

    He cited a rule he made up — “The Biden Rule” — in declaring that during an election year, the people should have a voice through the ballot box in determining who the next member of the Supreme Court is.

    He claimed that no president since the 1880s has had a Supreme Court justice approved in an election year by a Senate controlled by the other party.

    While technically true, it’s a total misrepresentation of history.

    See, in the past 130 years, outside of Obama, there has only been one occasion in which a president has had a Supreme Court vacancy arise during an election year while the other party controlled the Senate.

    That happened when New Albany, Indiana's, Sherman Minton resigned on Oct. 15, 1956, and President Dwight Eisenhower used a recess appointment, not requiring Senate confirmation, to fill the seat with William J. Brennan just three weeks before the election.

    Now, McConnell is making up more rules.

    He’s claiming “The Biden Rule” only applies when the president and Senate are of different parties, a distinction he didn’t make in 2016.

    In fact, in June of that year, McConnell said in a television interview, “I don't think the seat would have been filled with a vacancy created in a presidential year no matter who was in the White House.”

    The pending vacancy on the court and whoever fills it could well decide whether you have access to health care in this country, whether you have the right to vote and whether your vote counts as much as others, and whether women have a right to control their own bodies.

    No one should count on McConnell to do the right thing, the ethical thing or the honest thing. The only thing he craves and respects is power.

    Democrats need to recognize this and respond with power — or the threat of it.
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    I’ve pointed this out before... Mitch McConnell is reviled in his hometown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Except.

    Except.

    The election is about 6 weeks away.

    The Senate will be acting mere weeks before a national election.

    It is a lifetime appointment, and could lock a conservative Supreme court for decades.

    Give us a break.
    Voting has already started
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    It appears the Senate may act after the election. If Trump wins it’s no big deal. If he loses it just might be a little controversial.

    President Donald Trump is pushing for the Senate to confirm his Supreme Court nominee before Election Day — but Senate Republican leaders are noncommittal.
    After holding their first leadership meeting since the Friday death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, GOP leaders indicated the party has not reached consensus on the timing for filling the vacancy. The full 53-member GOP Conference meets on Tuesday afternoon.
    And in interviews with more than a dozen Republican senators on Monday, just a few expressed a preference to jam through a nominee to replace Ginsburg before Nov. 3. Most viewed a preelection confirmation as exceedingly difficult, while a vote in the lame-duck session would give them more time.
    “We know that some confirmations have occurred in a relatively short period of time,” Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, an ally of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, said as he emerged from a GOP leadership meeting. “But they’re probably during times of maximum cooperation. I don’t think there’s going to be maximum cooperation.”
    “It would be the new recent world record” if the Senate confirmed Trump’s yet-to-be-announced nominee before Nov. 3, added Sen. Roy Blunt of Missouri, a member of the GOP’s leadership team. Indeed, Senate Majority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.) confirmed on Monday that a decision hasn’t yet been made, noting that GOP senators will meet in person on Tuesday to discuss a path forward.

    https://apple.news/AOefrByG7R2SYaWewcb85Qw

    There’s more to the article than what I posted.

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    A little controversial? Perhaps.

    I found it entertaining to hear Graham commenting that even before a candidate's been nominated or hearings scheduled, he's already firmed up all of the GOP votes in his committee to pass the name to the full Senate for confirmation.

    What "advice and consent" looks like in the sober deliberative chamber under fascism.
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