'Vette vs. Cayman

[David G]

You KNOW who won that one --

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...18-cayman-gt4/

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

I read that this morning. Was not obvious. And I didn't know the GT4 was back, that's good. But it was close.

[Paul Pless]

so the corvette was faster in every single performance benchmark but came in second to a car cost forty thousand dollars more due to how the cabin felt and cosmetic issues, seems like the dice were loaded

[David G]

so the corvette was faster in every single performance benchmark but came in second to a car cost forty thousand dollars more due to how the cabin felt and cosmetic issues, seems like the dice were loaded

You seem to have left out the largest factor. Did you read the word 'sterile' in there somewhere?

The other factor that would be big for me is aesthetics. The article doesn't mention it, but the 'vette looks modern - like it was designed by a bunch of teenage S. Korean gamers. The Cayman is more elegant and timeless.

But I agree - the 'vette was danged close. Impressive bargain!! If one could get over the embarassment of being a 'vette owner <G>

[AlanMc]

so the corvette was faster in every single performance benchmark but came in second to a car cost forty thousand dollars more due to how the cabin felt and cosmetic issues, seems like the dice were loaded

that's the exact takeaway i got paul. "well, the vette is better at every single measurable but, PORSCHE WINS". total garbage. they make the statement on how the vette interior is MEASURABLE LARGER, but go on to say the porsche "feels bigger" and so it wins. a big FU to the writers of that turd.

[sonofswen]

I would't vette on it...

[Lew Barrett]

There's more to driving pleasure than raw speed, especially when comparing vehicles that are both fast by any measure. Most of the time, you can't get past second gear on any modern high performance car without risking license and limb. That makes the most tactile and well bolted together vehicle the most enjoyable to drive day to day.

Also, try finding a Vette for $66K. Ain't gonna happen.

[David G]

There's more to driving pleasure than raw speed, especially when comparing vehicles that are both fast by any measure. Most of the time, you can't get past second gear on any modern high performance car without risking license and limb. That makes the most tactile and well bolted together vehicle the most enjoyable to drive day to day.

Also, try finding a Vette for $66K. Ain't gonna happen. Then too, for many it's not about fastest for cheapest, it's about most satisfying to drive.

There you have it. Some even take that principle so far that they buy certain British or Italian marques... <G>

[Paul Pless]

Also, try finding a Vette for $66K. Ain't gonna happen.

first year of production, this gm we're talking about

they'll be cranking them out soon enough; the subsequent z06's, zl1's, zr1's will be far from sterile

[David G]

first year of production, this gm we're talking about

they'll be cranking them out soon enough; the subsequent z06's, zl1's, zr1's will be far from sterile

And maybe they'll win some comparos at that point.

But then there's still the whole stigma thang...

[Paul Pless]

But then there's still the whole stigma thang...

oh, you're one of those people who make decisions based upon what or how other people perceive you

[David G]

oh, you're one of those people who make decisions based upon what or how other people perceive you

Sure... that's precisely what I said...

Wait!!! bbbbbbbys... did you HACK Pless' account???

[Hugh Conway]

But then there's still the whole stigma thang...

Old dudes buying sports cars don’t care about stigma

[LeeG]

There's more to driving pleasure than raw speed, especially when comparing vehicles that are both fast by any measure. Most of the time, you can't get past second gear on any modern high performance car without risking license and limb. That makes the most tactile and well bolted together vehicle the most enjoyable to drive day to day.

Also, try finding a Vette for $66K. Ain't gonna happen.

tactile, that’s a good word. When I was a skinny light rider, no really it happened, I splurged on fat silk Clement sew ups for my rides from the coast inland on dirt and paved roads in Mendocino. 145 lbs on 30mm silk sewups was a miraculous combination of grip and speed and on some surfaces was like floating on a cloud.

[Lew Barrett]

And are delighted with their choice!

[Jimmy W]

The Cayman looks better.

[David G]

The Cayman looks better.

Agreed. OTOH, the 'vette had a bit more 'trunk' space and is more brutal looking for those that like that. And clearly lots do. Kinda the way full size pickups keep aiming for more and more 'rugged' looks.

[Joe (SoCal)]

The Cayman looks better.

Ill take a 488 please

[TomF]

Anyone else open this thread looking for another Florida Man story?

[TomF]

Migod.

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[Jimmy W]

A number of years ago, I stopped for a red light and a new Cayman ran under my rear bumper. He said he thought that I would run the light. My Tacoma got a new bumper. Repairing his Cayman was over $5000.

[Old Dryfoot]

Subjective comparisons are ridiculous, the only metric that matters in a comparison is performance.

[David G]

Subjective comparisons are ridiculous, the only metric that matters in a comparison is performance.

Couldn't disagree more. I was spoiled in my callow youth by doing a bit of racing with a vintage Alfa & Fiat. For me, the more tactile and direct the driving experience - while folding in enough comfort to make for a decent daily driver - the better. It's amazing, though, how much better autos are these days, in almost every way, than back in those times. Heck, my sweetie's Honda Fit probably posts better skidpad #'s than either of my two 'race' cars.

[Boatbum]

The problem with these cars is that some people have more money than brains https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...ealership.html

[Art Haberland]

The vette, if you can get it anywhere near sticker, has always been the performance bargain. Best bang for the buck when buying new. I do not even mind the exterior of the vette. I do, however, hate the interior. GM has always had this thing for taking up valuable real estate with absolutely huge centreconsoles. The vette is mid-engined, it does not need that huge hump in the middle of the car. What is with the row of switches down the "spine" of the console?

Outside looks, I could take either. Engineering, I prefer the porsche. Interior (where you see the car the most when driving) it is hands down the contender from Stuttgart.

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

The vette, if you can get it anywhere near sticker, has always been the performance bargain. Best bang for the buck when buying new. I do not even mind the exterior of the vette. I do, however, hate the interior. GM has always had this thing for taking up valuable real estate with absolutely huge centreconsoles. The vette is mid-engined, it does not need that huge hump in the middle of the car. What is with the row of switches down the "spine" of the console?

Outside looks, I could take either. Engineering, I prefer the porsche. Interior (where you see the car the most when driving) it is hands down the contender from Stuttgart.

(bold) To reduce having frequently used accessories needing to be accessed via a touch screen. Real switches are fast and some can be found tactically while keeping eyes on the road.

[Henning 4148]

(bold) To reduce having frequently used accessories needing to be accessed via a touch screen. Real switches are fast and some can be found tactically while keeping eyes on the road.

A very valid argument for a drivers car. My current car radio has something like a dozen or so push buttons plus two turn thingies on the dash. For settings like tone, you have to go deep in some menues. You have to look at the thing if you want to operate it. I have an old Becker radio flying around, two turn thingies with two more on the same axles plus 3 push buttons, one of them for station search. You can operate the Becker without looking. With the new one, it is faster to find a particular station, but you have to take your eyes from the road. With the Becker, if your station was fading, you just took the next station by pressing one button and if you didn't like it, you pressed again until you found something you liked. Without looking.

Similar with the ventilation and AC: lots of push buttons, so you have to look.

Another thing is, that you can't really feel the individual push buttons, so, you can not reach out without looking and then count to the right one. Touch screens are even worse.

My car has some steering wheel push buttons, they are very helpfull.

Voice control is coming, I have no experience on it in a car yet. Not sure if it always works reliable if you are chatting with a passenger or if the radio is going etc. Probably you have to remember the right commands, stuff like that.

[Art Haberland]

(bold) To reduce having frequently used accessories needing to be accessed via a touch screen. Real switches are fast and some can be found tactically while keeping eyes on the road.

that's great and all. I prefer real switches. I really dislike the HVAC controls on both my Landy and Abarth because you have to take your eyes off of the road to see the settings. I am more referring to the idea of the row of switches along the "spine" of the console. Seems like a really bad place to put them and done only for stylistic reasons.

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

that's great and all. I prefer real switches. I really dislike the HVAC controls on both my Landy and Abarth because you have to take your eyes off of the road to see the settings. I am more referring to the idea of the row of switches along the "spine" of the console. Seems like a really bad place to put them and done only for stylistic reasons.

No space for all those switches on the dash with a large touch screen, and be within easy reach, and differentiated enough in location to operate without looking at them. It's cheaper to put all the switches on the dash in one place, one module. If they spread them out, there's a reason for it.

[Reynard38]

People buy HP, but people like torque.
Torque is what makes a car more enjoyable on the street. It’s usable, accessible power. No need to rev the guts out of it, it’s always there.

I’d go for the vette. Never have liked them before, but the new one? Yes. I could get it serviced right here in town. The Cayman I’d have to drive over an hour to get to a dealer.
The Cayman services are going to cost more, a LOT more.

The Z06 will be interesting, especially if it does come with the flat plane crank V8.

[David G]

People buy HP, but people like torque.
Torque is what makes a car more enjoyable on the street. It’s usable, accessible power. No need to rev the guts out of it, it’s always there.

I’d go for the vette. Never have liked them before, but the new one? Yes. I could get it serviced right here in town. The Cayman I’d have to drive over an hour to get to a dealer.
The Cayman services are going to cost more, a LOT more.

The Z06 will be interesting, especially if it does come with the flat plane crank V8.

Too true.

My sweetie's driving style could best be described as 'zippy'. She loves the torque of the new hybrids & EV's

[David G]

Or... for those who want something more 'practical'... the upcoming McClaren GTX SUV --

[Peter K]

Looks like a Kia.

[David G]

Looks like a Kia.

Yeah kinda. More like a Porsche as drawn by their S. Korean design lab...

[skuthorp]

And here am I thinking that a large, toothy local reptie had attacked someone's tyres.