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    Yep, that would be simplest.
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    Warning!! Thread drift, but it's wood and it was made in the same room as the dinghy.
    The dinghy took a back seat this past week to a table commission from the Science Dept at a local High School.
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    The elliptical table top was made from the apron pieces of the demolished lab tables that were being replaced during the Science Block upgrade. Main axis 2.3M (7' 6") minor axis 1.5M (4' 11").
    The top is Rimu, the feet, legs and stretcher are Matai. The Matai came from the schools old laundry benches.
    Copper caps the stretcher ends.
    Finished with oil plus a dash of poly satin varnish mixed in.


    The staff have no idea the table is finished and will see it for the first time when they walk in tomorrow morning.

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    Excellent Mike! A friend has asked me for ideas on a table she wants. The way you've done the legs would suit what she wants, I think. Could you show the way you've attached the top to the base?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Excellent Mike! A friend has asked me for ideas on a table she wants. The way you've done the legs would suit what she wants, I think. Could you show the way you've attached the top to the base?
    Hi Rick,
    There are only eight screws connecting the top to the cleats.
    Two holes drilled about 25mm in from the outer ends of each cleat, slightly oversized to allow for movement.
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    The legs are connected with square mortice and tenon joints. A rebated part of the stretcher sits in a dado on each leg forming a lap joint.
    When the legs are set into the mortices, everything locks together and squares it all up, no fastenings are required , only glue.

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    Hope this helps.
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    Yep, that's perfect Mike! Beautiful work, thanks!!
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    Nice thread drift Mike.
    But now please back to the boat mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Yep, that's perfect Mike! Beautiful work, thanks!!
    Thanks Rick, glad to be of help.
    Cheers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Nice thread drift Mike.
    But now please back to the boat mate.
    Cheers
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    Ha! Thanks Max.
    It's a bit groundhog day here regarding the boat.
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    This is varnish coat number 5...or is it 6.

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    Some very fine work right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
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    Some very fine work right there.
    Thanks Gary, much appreciated.

    This varnish work tests the patience quota...fast running out
    Will have to pull finger and crack on if I want to have a summer sail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1902 View Post
    Thanks Gary, much appreciated.

    This varnish work tests the patience quota...fast running out
    Will have to pull finger and crack on if I want to have a summer sail

    Cheers,
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    I gather Summer is due to fall on a Tuesday in NZ this year.....??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    I gather Summer is due to fall on a Tuesday in NZ this year.....??
    Haha, yeah and it will probably take me all Tuesday to rig it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    I gather Summer is due to fall on a Tuesday in NZ this year.....??
    Yes, but morning or afternoon? We have that "four seasons in one day" thing going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    Yes, but morning or afternoon? We have that "four seasons in one day" thing going on.

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    Decorative rope work part 1.

    Tiller extension handle with cockscombing/ringbolt hitch braiding (2 mm cord) and a couple of turks head stoppers (2.5 mm cord).

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    A thinned coat of the off white enamel will be applied over the cord to fill the gaps and help set it in place.
    Last edited by Mike1902; 10-06-2022 at 05:18 AM.
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    Decorative rope work part 2.

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    French hitch with turks head stoppers.

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    Gave the rope work a coat of slightly thinned off white enamel today.
    Fills in the weave a touch, loses the shine on the cord, sets everything in place and gives it a sort of antique appearance.

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    Before and after.
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    Default Re: The believed abstraction of a 12 foot clinker dinghy.

    There seems to be a bit of a lull in the thread , Mike , so I thought I'd share my 'sennet work' with you so you might up your game a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    There seems to be a bit of a lull in the thread , Mike , so I thought I'd share my 'sennet work' with you so you might up your game a bit.
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    I know, I know, awesome isn't it.
    It is awesome. Game will be upped.
    I will keep this in mind when I build the outrigger for the dinghy.

    That's a lethal looking piece of kit, I notice there are no toes showing on the left foot.


    Dinghy wise, it's been varnish, varnish, varnish...

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    Some planning and thought is now being put into the placement of the deck back blocking for fairleads, rowlocks, jib and main sheet blocks, traveler ( jury is out on that one, may rig the mainsheet as per Janet).

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    Toying with this idea to keep the cockpit area less cluttered and more open, plus the gaff main is loose footed.
    Opinions welcomed.

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    Thats how I ran Waione, although there might have been an extra purchase on the vertical. Each end led to a Murray winch and on the way there was a cam jammer so I had a chance of getting the main in without going underwater on the leeward side.

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    Masina had a very clunky traveller system which I replaced with a whizz bang modern traveller system which is a PITA to use. It fills the cockpit with lines and causes confusion. I'm planning to convert to a similar system to this also. More purchase than yours, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Thats how I ran Waione, although there might have been an extra purchase on the vertical. Each end led to a Murray winch and on the way there was a cam jammer so I had a chance of getting the main in without going underwater on the leeward side.
    In this photo I have the mainsheet up on the windward jib winch to get a bit more purchase. The Harkens have since been replaced with Murrays, which has worked out better, as it's now easier to belay onto the top of the winch.

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    Still hadn't run the reef lines when this was taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Masina had a very clunky traveller system which I replaced with a whizz bang modern traveller system which is a PITA to use. It fills the cockpit with lines and causes confusion. I'm planning to convert to a similar system to this also. More purchase than yours, of course.
    With the dinghy, I've considered the bridle arrangement with a block in the middle, a bronze bar horse, which would look kinda cool but I'm looking at making a hollow rectangular boom so I can vang it with the loose footed main and keep the main sheet lead from aft.
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    At last, something to show for my latest efforts other than varnished pieces of wood.

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    Two coats of Dutch white enamel have been applied to the inside of the top strake, knees, the area of the transom above the stern sheets and the ribs directly beneath the ceiling linings to colour match.
    The ribs directly beneath the sole boards also colour matched with two coats of the Pale green.
    This will blend everything together a little better when the boards are in place.
    The rest of the hull inside will eventually be painted when maintenance time comes around.

    The hull will now be hung off the ceiling and inverted, then lifted into a position for ease of access and a comfortable work height for sanding and varnishing of the bulkheads.

    While paint has been drying, ideas on the shape of the bowsprit have been mooted.
    The desired shape has been found and measurements taken.

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    The bowsprit will be six feet overall and extend four feet from the stem head and have a downward curve as shown. The spar will sit slightly off the deck and seat into a heel socket mid foredeck.
    It will be retractable and lay along either side of the fore deck. Chocks will be placed port and starboard that the spar will seat into and be secured with a lanyard.
    I'm planning on swiveling the gammon iron, but with the curvature of the sprit, this may not be required.
    There will be an adjustable bobstay lanyard.

    The bowsprit will be laminated up from old growth imported Oregon.

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    The four lengths of Oregon timber (2 x 20 feet, 2 x 16.5 feet) in the above photo were originally two antennae masts close to 40 feet in length. They were 3.5" square at the base, 2" square at the top and dead straight.
    My father was a radio ham and these two masts supported the wires for the antennae.
    One in the front yard ,one in the back, they stood there for about 35 years and they were already old when my father came by them.
    The masts were taken down about 12 years ago and have been stored ever since because I knew that just one day, one day, I would need them for spar material.
    That day is coming soon.

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    That’s looking very nice; traditional-looking* bowsprit, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1N View Post
    That’s looking very nice; traditional-looking* bowsprit, too.

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    * Depending on what tradition you belong to…
    Thanks Alex.
    I have always liked the look of curved bowsprits on Couta boats. A little more severe in their curve than what I intend, but they are the inspiration in this case.
    The upward curve of the foredeck on this boat would not suit a straight stick and I prefer to have the spar follow the form of the deck, so having a curved sprit was an easy decision to make.

    As for tradition...well some of the ideas are based loosely on tradition I suppose but I kinda like to forge my own path.
    Some of those ideas will not be every ones cup of tea but it's my boat, and if an idea fails, so what...I'll just change it or fix it.

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    Hey Mike,
    Great little project you got going on here! The Oregon has held up well, should be some nice timber under there.

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    In the 80's a boatbuilder friend of mine had a thing where he was in contact with the Fire dept. They were removing the old oregon poles and replacing them with steel ( I assume) ...he was eyes out looking for masts for the mullet boats ( 18 through 22 footers ) and other spars.
    NZ douglas fir grows too fast and is too new in general, don't get that lovely old growth stuff .Its demolition and other old use stuff like Mikes for the genuine .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geftb View Post
    Hey Mike,
    Great little project you got going on here! The Oregon has held up well, should be some nice timber under there.

    Steve
    Thanks Steve, it's a project I'm enjoying very much.
    I'm looking forward to dressing that Oregon too. It's great finding diamonds in the rough.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    In the 80's a boatbuilder friend of mine had a thing where he was in contact with the Fire dept. They were removing the old oregon poles and replacing them with steel ( I assume) ...he was eyes out looking for masts for the mullet boats ( 18 through 22 footers ) and other spars.
    NZ douglas fir grows too fast and is too new in general, don't get that lovely old growth stuff .Its demolition and other old use stuff like Mikes for the genuine .
    Last summer the 58' pilot cutter Steadfast sailed up to Napier from the Marlborough Sounds to pick up a couple of Oregon beams.
    The beams were originally part of an old wool store that had been demolished here in Ahuriri.
    I remember one of the beams lay the full length of the deck, this being a 58' boat and the other length wasn't short either.
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    Talking to the skipper he said that they were going to be used for spare spars and a new top mast.
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    Hi Mike

    "if an idea fails, so what...I'll just change it or fix it.
    "

    That´s how I like to mess around too.
    Mostly succesfull, mostly...
    Every time I think that this thread can´t get any better it does that instantly.
    Man I like this bowsprit.

    Cheers Max

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Hi Mike

    "if an idea fails, so what...I'll just change it or fix it.
    "

    That´s how I like to mess around too.
    Mostly succesfull, mostly...
    Every time I think that this thread can´t get any better it does that instantly.
    Man I like this bowsprit.

    Cheers Max
    Hi Max,
    Yep, I have a pretty good strike rate too...so far.

    Check out the bow sprit on this sandbagger replica.

    Tattler.jpg

    More info here https://stephenswaring.com/spirit-tradition-replica/ to see an amazing looking boat.

    Ripping into that Oregon tomorrow.

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    Absolutely an amazing boat.
    Man what a beauty.
    Don´t have the Couta boats a bend bowsprit too?
    I saw once one in Brest at the marine festival.
    Fell in love in it instandly.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Absolutely an amazing boat.
    Man what a beauty.
    Don´t have the Couta boats a bend bowsprit too?
    I saw once one in Brest at the marine festival.
    Fell in love in it instandly.

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    They certainly do.

    Couta boat.jpgCouta boat 2.jpg

    I'm even thinking about trying out a traveller ring on the dinghy, just to complicate matters even more.

    Would certainly help with balancing the rig in various conditions.

    We had a bowsprit traveller ring on the Pilot Cutter. On the occasion the gennaker we had onboard could be flown, it allowed us to adjust the tack in or out to get the optimum shape and balance.
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    Well Mike, I curiously await that traveller ring.
    Most probably you´ll build it from 476 wooden parts
    Had some thoughts on it myself for the genoa at Hulks bowsprit.
    Even thought about making it in carbon.
    Making the ring a bit flater, kind of elliptical with one flat side to have more bearing surface at the wooden spar.
    So far I changed plans and think about pulling the rolled up sail including furler to the block at the tip.
    A mock up worked pretty well.
    Using the traveller to balance the rig came never in my mind.
    Man, I got a new trick learned.
    Thanks for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Well Mike, I curiously await that traveller ring.
    Most probably you´ll build it from 476 wooden parts
    Had some thoughts on it myself for the genoa at Hulks bowsprit.
    Even thought about making it in carbon.
    Making the ring a bit flater, kind of elliptical with one flat side to have more bearing surface at the wooden spar.
    So far I changed plans and think about pulling the rolled up sail including furler to the block at the tip.
    A mock up worked pretty well.
    Using the traveller to balance the rig came never in my mind.
    Man, I got a new trick learned.
    Thanks for that.

    Cheers
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    Hi Max,

    Laugh out loud moment there.

    The ring will probably be wrapped in leather, either that or some sort of soft braid. I will test the options closer to the time.

    Attaching a furler to the ring is handy but means a few more strings going out on the sprit, however it does allow the option of changing the sail or stowing it completely.

    Milled up some of that Oregon today.

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    Before and after. Finished 53 mm (2 1/8") square. Current length 2 metres (6'6"), weight 2.3 kgs (5lbs).
    Will rip into three strips on the band saw and dress ready for laminating.

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    Rings 1 mm apart or 25 to the inch, happy days.

    Cheers,
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    That is some nice oregon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    That is some nice oregon!
    It is Max, and now it has been ripped into three strips, run through the thicknesser and laminated.
    A block fixed at each end and another set at the point of the stem head was all that was needed to form the curve.
    The strips were glued with straight epoxy. No fillers were added as I want to avoid glue lines.

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    Forty odd clamps were used over the two metre length.

    The three lengths were glued together as per their solid form. This is to keep the grain aligned and hopefully will look like one solid curved length of timber when finished.

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