Bullet-proofing our society

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  • George Jung
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2004
    • 31057

    Bullet-proofing our society

    trump and McTurtle et al have efficiently illuminated all the weak points in our society, Constitution, government. By appearances, so much of what makes the Constitution work - is honorable men (women) implementing it. We do not have that critical element, in the current IMPOTUS, Republican Senate, or SCOTUS. Pledged to eliminate the USPS, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Eliminate public lands and environmental protections. The devil lives amongst us.

    Anticipating that there MAY be a wholesale rebuke of trumpism and it's followers - there may be a very short window of opportunity to clean things up, reverse all the crap trump/McTurtle have done. But we all know the pendulum will swing back. I have to wonder - what options, if any, exist to put in place (permanent) protections against this?
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....
  • Old Dryfoot
    That Richard Guy
    • May 2010
    • 18548

    #2
    Re: Bullet-proofing our society

    Scrap the electoral college.
    Eliminate the ability to install acting directors for more than a week or two.
    SCOTUS nominations should come from the judiciary itself.
    No publicly available voter registration information.

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    • George Jung
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2004
      • 31057

      #3
      Re: Bullet-proofing our society

      How? Constitutional amendment? Sounds a tall wall to scale.
      There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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      • Old Dryfoot
        That Richard Guy
        • May 2010
        • 18548

        #4
        Re: Bullet-proofing our society

        I'm only the idea guy.

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        • George Jung
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2004
          • 31057

          #5
          Re: Bullet-proofing our society

          Yeah. Ideas without a plan is akin to a toothless dog, eh?

          I'm wondering if we can find teeth.
          There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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          • Hugh Conway
            Banned
            • Jan 2012
            • 9162

            #6
            Re: Bullet-proofing our society

            You gotta convince Republicans they are nuts and need help.

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            • Art Haberland
              Fluent in Typo
              • May 2015
              • 10206

              #7
              Re: Bullet-proofing our society

              I agree that the Electoral College needs to go. I found it a terrible idea when I was in Grade School.. However the best idea came here
              Eliminate the ability to install acting directors for more than a week or two.
              I realize there is a need for acting directors from time to time, but they need a sell by date. I give it thirty days.
              "If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito"

              -Dalai Lama

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              • Peerie Maa
                Old Grey Inquisitive One
                • Oct 2008
                • 62519

                #8
                Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                Originally posted by George Jung
                Yeah. Ideas without a plan is akin to a toothless dog, eh?

                I'm wondering if we can find teeth.
                You should be bright enough to find a way without an amendment. What you need, and your biggest problem, is getting enough Voters to actually want the change. When a majority wants the change, the elected Reps will find a way, or the voters will elect Reps who are willing to represent.
                It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

                The power of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web
                The weakness of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web.

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                • George Jung
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 31057

                  #9
                  Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                  By all appearances, the Rips have been working, for many decades, at 'stacking the deck' against just such a change. It's unfortunate - but the folks who know what needs to change, know how to change it, are oftentimes directly benefiting from the current system. Seems to make them uninspired in moving that direction.
                  There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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                  • Osborne Russell
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 27150

                    #10
                    Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                    "Structural reform" is not a substitute for civic virtue. The finest structure doesn't mean S without it.
                    Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

                    Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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                    • George Jung
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 31057

                      #11
                      Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                      Well, then - seems we're moving on to '...and then the murders began...'

                      Eh?
                      There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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                      • Peerie Maa
                        Old Grey Inquisitive One
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 62519

                        #12
                        Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                        Originally posted by Osborne Russell
                        "Structural reform" is not a substitute for civic virtue. The finest structure doesn't mean S without it.
                        As I said, the voting citizens have got to want it. At the moment, on all that could be improved, your voters seem to be content with the status quo.
                        Where is the outrage?

                        Thoughts and prayers.
                        It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

                        The power of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web
                        The weakness of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web.

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                        • George Jung
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 31057

                          #13
                          Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                          Suspect 'most of us' don't know what steps need to be taken - and are awaiting some leadership as to how to proceed.

                          Might be a long wait.
                          There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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                          • Old Dryfoot
                            That Richard Guy
                            • May 2010
                            • 18548

                            #14
                            Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                            More:

                            Limit the ability of the POTUS to terminate an IG involved in direct oversight or investigation of the current administration without just cause.

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                            • Peerie Maa
                              Old Grey Inquisitive One
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 62519

                              #15
                              Re: Bullet-proofing our society

                              Originally posted by George Jung
                              Suspect 'most of us' don't know what steps need to be taken - and are awaiting some leadership as to how to proceed.

                              Might be a long wait.
                              Do you have any evidence that "most of us" want anything to change?

                              As I said, where is the outrage?
                              It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

                              The power of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web
                              The weakness of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web.

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