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    CNN is not even pretending it's about peaceful protests any longer (watching a TV report). One just gets the feeling our society's fabric is coming apart.

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    Maybe it is coming apart. Things seem pretty polarized.

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    Even polarization does quite describe thus. Seems to be way deeper than any single political divide.

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    Well it is Chicago, the gangs are pretty jealous of their territory, and in the present circumstance it probably only needed a spark to set it off. There is no competent national leadership and the locals may feel they can handle any federal intervention.

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    It's downtown, it South Chicago. So it's not gangs. Meanwhile, violence persists in Portland.
    I do agree it only needs a spark at this point. That's a big part of the problem.

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    Reports are that social media over the weekend was rife with a story that an unarmed 15 year old black kid was shot and killed by police.

    That was untrue. There was a 20 year old black man shot and wounded by police, after having shot at them. Somebody misrepresented the story. Considering the reports this week from the Intelligence Community that Russia is acting on social media and elsewhere again to divide Americans in ways which will benefit Trump, one wonders if it might have been intentional.

    And perhaps by someone who would gain politically from the electoral impacts of black violence.

    It may have simply been miscommunication, rather than Disinformation, but it is hard to know, eh?

    Yeah, I heard officials in Chicago making the point that this wasn't a "protest, " it was simply violence against the police.
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    Blacks loots stores after police shoot a man that shot at them. Then Chicago BLM holds a rally in support of people arrested for looting. Sounds like a Trump campaign commercial in the making.

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    Reports here in Portland are that the Feds backed down from their camo-clad needlessly combative incompetence to a more false-flag form of provocation.

    Again... After almost 2 months of demonstrations here, things were cooling off... winding down. Trump injects egregious actions by the Feds and people react. Things get hot again. Then, having accomplished nothing good, he withdraws the troops and stirs things up another way.

    It was a 'created for daytime TV' strategy... and it worked. Trump 101: create chaos, then 'save' the situation... or exploit it to garner support for your goals.

    And the suckers, fools, and apologists have bought the whole disingenuous schtick.
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    We got through the 60s and we will get through this. The real question is "Can we find social justice on the other side?" That remains to be seen.

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    Any social change is gonna be messy. And it's going to be resisted mightily, underhandedly and without scruple or thought by those who want to guard their power. It's the sorts of whining, from the same sorts of folks, no matter when in history, and no matter what the issue. Abolition. Women's suffrage. Civil rights. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Cue the Randy Newman... 'We're rednecks...'
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    “That is reparations,” Atkins said “Anything they wanted to take, they can take because these businesses have insurance.”
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...2320365/%3famp

    Social justice my arse. Criminality, pure and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    “That is reparations,” Atkins said “Anything they wanted to take, they can take because these businesses have insurance.”
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...2320365/%3famp

    Social justice my arse. Criminality, pure and simple.
    That's a simple-minded and ignorant grasp of the situation. But not unexpected.

    Of course when things get messy, some short-sighted... but LONG suffering... people are going to take advantage of the situation to get back some of what they understandably, but incorrectly, regard as 'their own'. Hard to fault them... as it might be the only hint of a glimmer of a crack of an opportunity to do anything close to it... perhaps ever.

    Of course, if we had repaired the rift to our society caused by slavery when we had the opportunity. If we had somehow managed to overcome the bigotry evidenced to this day, and even - clearly - to this minute, it'd be different, eh? If we had adopted and enforced policies that brought people of ALL races, religions, genders, and all potential 'others' up to equal status? We wouldn't still be fighting it out now. And we wouldn't be still fending off fools who'd rather blame the victims than confront the issues.
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    Those who use cheap, illegal latin labour from Sth America and Mexico are perpetuating slave labour under a different name.
    Those people need jobs, US agriculture needs the workers, but, they should be paid a fair rate.
    Covid may interestingly make the labour they can get more expensive. It will here and the produce similarly.

    One effect of the Black Death and various plagues was to break the feudal system because the owners of the land needed to find scarce labour for the harvest. Hence Hiring Fairs*.

    *."They date from the time of Edward III, and his attempt to regulate the labour market by the Statute of Labourers in 1351 at a time of a serious national shortage of labour after the Black Death. Subsequent legislation, in particular the Statute of Apprentices of 1563, legislated for a particular day when the high constables of the shire would proclaim the stipulated rates of pay and conditions of employment for the following year.[2] Because so many people gathered at a fair, it quickly turned into the major place for matching workers and employers."
    And also matching young men and women looking for a partner as it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    That's a simple-minded and ignorant grasp of the situation. But not unexpected.

    Of course when things get messy, some short-sighted... but LONG suffering... people are going to take advantage of the situation to get back some of what they understandably, but incorrectly, regard as 'their own'. Hard to fault them... as it might be the only hint of a glimmer of a crack of an opportunity to do anything close to it... perhaps ever.

    Of course, if we had repaired the rift to our society caused by slavery when we had the opportunity. If we had somehow managed to overcome the bigotry evidenced to this day, and even - clearly - to this minute, it'd be different, eh? If we had adopted and enforced policies that brought people of ALL races, religions, genders, and all potential 'others' up to equal status? We wouldn't still be fighting it out now. And we wouldn't be still fending off fools who'd rather blame the victims than confront the issues.
    Actually it’s very easy to blame them. People have free will. They can choose to do the right thing or the wrong thing. This was very clearly the wrong thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peb View Post
    It's downtown, it South Chicago. So it's not gangs. Meanwhile, violence persists in Portland.
    I do agree it only needs a spark at this point. That's a big part of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually it’s very easy to blame them. People have free will. They can choose to do the right thing or the wrong thing. This was very clearly the wrong thing.
    "People have free will", huh? They evidently don't have a level playing field. What's the wrong thing when you have limited opportunities for life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually it’s very easy to blame them. People have free will. They can choose to do the right thing or the wrong thing. This was very clearly the wrong thing.
    Excuse me sir... your petticoat of ignorance is showing just a bit around the edges.
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    And then there were the dedicated crooks who will take advantage of any chaos to be crooks --

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/planned-a...165629555.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually it’s very easy to blame them. People have free will. They can choose to do the right thing or the wrong thing. This was very clearly the wrong thing.
    lol.

    when do we start keeping track of people doing the "wrong thing", and holding them accountable? we starting today?

    ready. set. go.

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    Some people will take advantage of a situation.

    Often things are not what they look like, but when the truth comes out, it's often too late.

    Then there's the theory that when people are down and out, and see no hope, who knows what they might do to vent frustrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    yes, there’s big business selling “conservatives” fear
    No fear, just disapproval. You don’t disapprove of a mob vandalizing a Ronald McDonald house with the families of sick children inside because police returned fire on someone who was shooting at them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    "People have free will", huh? They evidently don't have a level playing field. What's the wrong thing when you have limited opportunities for life?

    Andy
    There is no such thing as a level playing field but it is much more level than you or the media make it out to be. This behavior is not helping them. Neither is embracing victimhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Some people will take advantage of a situation.
    Agreed. Mayor Lightfoot had no problem calling it what it was: blatant criminality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Agreed. Mayor Lightfoot had no problem calling it what it was: blatant criminality.
    Talk the talk, now walk the walk. This wasn’t a protest, and it wasn’t a riot. It was vandalism and theft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Talk the talk, now walk the walk. This wasn’t a protest, and it wasn’t a riot. It was vandalism and theft.
    Yup. Done under the cover of the confusion of the demonstrations. Which certain dingbats will now blame for the criminality.

    Like when a freezer truck full of steaks overturns and spills all over the freeway, causing a huge traffic jam. And some folks take the opportunity to steal trunk-loads of steaks. Clearly the truck driver is responsible for the behavior of the thieves. Only, in this case, the thievery was planned... not just a target of opportunity. DANG that truck driver!!!
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    You've been rather 'faint' in these parts, old-timer. What part of the country you hail from?
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