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    Dear (Name),

    You are on this email list because you have never donated to the National Rifle Association. As you may have read, our organization is going through a rough time. New York Attorney General Letitia James thinks that fraud and corruption are so rampant within us that we ought to be dissolved. That’s why we’re reaching out to you.



    We bet that what’s been holding you back all this time is the belief that if you donated to the NRA, it would help put more guns in more places and that such a goal, in your opinion, would make the United States a more dangerous place. Well, we urge you to take a second look and ask: Is that really what the NRA is doing?

    A misconception that a lot of people have about the NRA is that we are some sort of gun lobby, trying to put guns into and keep them in the (cold, dead) hands of as many people as possible. But as allegations in a recent lawsuit demonstrate, the NRA is about so much more than that. We are also about subsidizing the personal travel of CEO Wayne LaPierre, his family members and a few trusted affiliates! We’re not just a gun lobby whose annual convention did not take place this year and which seems as though it hasn’t been very active around the coming election. We also believe in the power of travel, and the need to support America’s small-ship owners, or large-yacht owners, depending on your perspective.
    So please, if you haven’t, consider giving generously to support this vital organization.

    If you look at what your donation would be going to support, you barely see anything to do with guns! According to that same lawsuit we mentioned earlier, millions of dollars have gone to support the travel and lifestyle industries through direct action: putting feet on the ground in Four Seasons hotels, luxury black cars and private golf clubs. Your cash will not help defend the weapons that used to be the top reason children were terrified to go to school; it will go to support the economy of the Bahamas, as well as the hard-working providers of private jets to the Bahamas, and the hard-working providers of private jets to other places. Your dollars will help, in some small way, to make it possible for Wayne LaPierre to spend time on a 108-foot yacht named “Illusions.” That yacht has a chef!

    For too long, in people’s minds, the NRA was the organization that would send a shouty older man out every time a devastating shooting occurred to grumpily blame it on something completely unrelated like video games or socialism. We can’t blame you for not supporting such an organization. But look again! Instead, imagine Wayne LaPierre on the deck of “Illusions,” eating a chef-cooked meal! That’s the real NRA. Nary a gun in sight.
    Come home to the NRA! We’re not just an organization that gives ratings to members of Congress. We also are what Letitia James called a “personal piggy bank" for Wayne LaPierre. That’s the NRA we know, nothing to do with blaming the victims of gun violence and offering thoughts and prayers — which, after all, are free. Please, give now. If your money actually goes toward gun activism, we’ll be as surprised as you.

    And wouldn’t it be a shame to see the NRA dismantled and replaced by some sort of new organization whose priority really was putting guns in the hands of history teachers, for no good reason? That’s the alternative we face.

    If you are someone who has supported us in the past and want to know where your money went, please disregard this email.

    Warmly,
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    The question has to be asked : Borowitz, or sorta / kinda real ??

    Just saw "( WP, today)" --- Washington Post ?
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    Self satire at it's best…………… or just misrepresentation.

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    As an NRA Life Member, I applaud you sir. But you left out the part of the NRA now being a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican Party. Surely that point will turn on a lot of donors among common folk, y'know, the non-investing class.

    It won't happen under Trump, but I hope that under Biden, the feds investigate a RICO act prosecution.

    I'll miss the monthly magazine for the technical articles, but it's a fair tradeoff. Burn'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob (oh, THAT Bob) View Post
    As an NRA Life Member, I applaud you sir. But you left out the part of the NRA now being a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican Party. Surely that point will turn on a lot of donors among common folk, y'know, the non-investing class.

    It won't happen under Trump, but I hope that under Biden, the feds investigate a RICO act prosecution.

    I'll miss the monthly magazine for the technical articles, but it's a fair tradeoff. Burn'em.
    The ratfreakin' whole Republican Party is textbook RICO.

    The single most evil thing these bastards will accomplish is that they will have broken 200-odd years of mutual trust in government.

    For the past 40 years, whenever the 'Loyal Opposition' has been Republican, it has instead been more like the Seditious Opposition.

    The Republican Party made damned fine citizens of this liberal democracy until they figured out that some of their fellow-citizens are rather browner than they are, and that they would be expected to acknowledge those citizens' equality.

    In the wake of the Civil Rights Movement, people who had been taught that White, Male, Heterosexual, Christian citizens were more equal than others started running a little scareder about the future than they might have been before, and then they realized that the citizens who were NOT necessarily White, Male, Heterosexual, Christians had a vote, just like they did.

    The Republican Party saw 40 years ago that they could never enjoy having the sort of control they so desperately need if they were to depend on winning elections, so now we have a situation where it is hard to believe that our elections have not been swayed by these . . .'Republicans', these Bad Actors, these wretched fascists. That somewhere in America, an election has already been stolen by these . . . 'people'.


    So, the single most evil thing these orcish bursteds will accomplish is that IF WE PREVAIL in the battle against them we're almost certainly going to be presented with a choice as to whether we should hang the lot of them.

    That's an evil choice, with no good outcome either way.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    Ozna, if the atmosphere get's hot they'll melt into then population in daylight like the Taliban. But after dark and on the anonymous net they'll make trouble. After all I reckon they think they are freedom fighters, and you cannot kill an idea, not even a bad one.

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    Well, if it's not a real story, make it up, and a certain percentage of the people will suck it up, lock stock and barrel.
    “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”― Mark Twain,


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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    In the wake of the Civil Rights Movement, people who had been taught that White, Male, Heterosexual, Christian citizens were more equal than others started running a little scareder about the future than they might have been before, and then they realized that the citizens who were NOT necessarily White, Male, Heterosexual, Christians had a vote, just like they did.
    Not per se. It's merely about money. Herman Cain was black. Malcolm Forbes was gay. The republican's worst enemy was not them, but FDR's effort to improve the lot of average people. Because that costs money. And republicans like to slash taxes. (Although who was the biggest tax slasher of all? JFK. Go check. Slashed taxes on the wealthy in anticipation of WWII debt being paid off, and it went into force just as expenditures in Vietnam really started to take off.) The issues of racial strife, abortion, guns, anti-gay-preservation-of-the-family, weaponizing religion, et al, those are all just means to an end, a way to manipulate the masses into voting for republicans who end up screwing the public on education (which also helps them manipulate people more), medical care, all sorts of public services. But not spending on the military and weapons makers, the police, the DEA, for-profit prisons...
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    Back in the day I used to fish for conger eels down in Devon. Fisherman always say that when a big conger is caught or killed, the next biggest conger in the area moves into its lair..

    The National Association for Gun Rights (NAGR) argued that rival gun-rights group the National Rifle Association (NRA) does not advocate for the constitutional right to keep and bear arms in the U.S.
    "The NRA is not the Second Amendment," NAGR President Dudley Brown told Newsweek. "In fact, they have been AWOL from the fight for decades."


    https://www.newsweek.com/rival-gun-r...awsuit-1523713
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Well, if it's not a real story, make it up, and a certain percentage of the people will suck it up, lock stock and barrel.
    I'll just re-post this in case you didn't see it on the other thread

    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    "Some corruption"? Always the apologist. It's kind of disgusting Brian. If I remember correctly, you're a member. If I were you I'd be outraged and demand a class action lawsuit and jail time, and that's just for the theft and corruption. The reality is, you can't even acknowledge the Russian influence into our election process that was allowed to occur via the NRA. Why aren't you outraged?

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    ^ I am a member, and I am advocating for all of that.
    When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob (oh, THAT Bob) View Post
    ^ I am a member, and I am advocating for all of that.
    As should any reasonable American. Brian likes to play a reasonable, law and order moderate but he's clearly not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Well, if it's not a real story, make it up, and a certain percentage of the people will suck it up, lock stock and barrel.
    Your aim is off. This is a gun pun thread now, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Well, if it's not a real story, make it up, and a certain percentage of the people will suck it up, lock stock and barrel.

    It's a real story

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    So Brian refuses to respond . . . I just say it. I was right, he was wrong. The NRA is a fraud lobbyist for gun manufacturers. It took Brian's money and used it to line the pockets of a few thieves and used it's influence to allow Russian interests leak into our election process. The "PSA" released over the past 4-8 years border on inciting terrorism and preys on stupid, fearful, people's bigotry. The NRA has been lying for years and Brian is okay with that.

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    At one point my father got me a years membership in the NRA for my birthday, which I didn’t appreciate, since I hate the organization.

    I have no problem with a group that promotes safe shooting and hunting practices, and seeks to lobby government to that aim, but the NRA is not that anymore.

    Then I started to get all these letters begging for money by trying to scare me: “Bill Clinton is trying to take away your guns!!”.

    I thought about signing my Dad up to the Sierra Club, which uses similar direct mail solicitations ( ad nauseum), but decided against it.

    My opinion:

    NRA = Pure Evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    The NRA is a fraud lobbyist for gun manufacturers. It took Brian's money and used it to line the pockets of a few thieves and used it's [sic] influence to allow Russian interests leak [sic] into our election process. The "PSA" released over the past 4-8 years border on inciting terrorism and preys on stupid, fearful, people's bigotry.
    You seem to want to take point on this, so perhaps you'll be so kind as to elaborate on each of your accusations above, but most especially the one highlighted.

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    "We have come to live in a society based on insults, on lies and on things that just aren't true. It creates an environment where deranged people feel empowered." -- Colin Powell, 10/30/18

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    Well, kgr 1?
    Or are Senate Committees fake news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    You seem to want to take point on this, so perhaps you'll be so kind as to elaborate on each of your accusations above, but most especially the one highlighted.
    Perhaps you should read this..
    https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...gn%20Asset.pdf

    Conclusion.
    The minority staff investigation confirms that the NRA, its officers, board members, and donors engaged in a years-long effort to facilitate the U.S.-based activities of Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin. The U.S. Justice Department determined the activity of those Russian nationals—one now convicted of a felony charge of conspiracy to act as an unregistered foreign agent and the other designated by the U.S. Treasury Department for the Russian Federation’s global malign activity, including attempting to subvert Western democracies and malicious cyber activities—amounted to an illegal conspiracy to gain access to American organizations through the NRA. The scope of the NRA’s support for these Russian activities raises concerns about whether the activity in which the NRA, its officers and board members engaged were in furtherance of the organization’s exempt purpose.
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    If you pay the dues, whatever that is, you get a sticker for the back window of your pick-up. Now That! means you are a tough guy, maybe a biker, maybe an ex seal or whatever fits your ego

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    If you pay the dues, whatever that is, you get a sticker for the back window of your pick-up. Now That! means you are a tough guy, maybe a biker, maybe an ex seal or whatever fits your ego
    Ah, but is it a tactical sticker? Asking for a friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    You seem to want to take point on this, so perhaps you'll be so kind as to elaborate on each of your accusations above, but most especially the one highlighted.
    Psst, buddy. . . your ignorance is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Ah, but is it a tactical sticker? Asking for a friend
    It's the bigliest bestest sticker for patriot Americans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    You seem to want to take point on this, so perhaps you'll be so kind as to elaborate on each of your accusations above, but most especially the one highlighted.
    Lol, if you're not curious enough to know, I'm not getting paid enough to educate you. Needless to say though, it's fact.

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    Seems simple. Start a new organization that actually does what the NRA did once upon a time (making sure to disallow mfr's to join) & let the NRA die on the vine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    NPR has become an unabashed shill for the Democrats, using Federal money (including, unwillingly, mine) to spread its propaganda. Show me where anything in that article supports Mr McMike's claim that the NRA "used it's influence to allow Russian interests leak into our election process." (Whatever he means by that.)

    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    Well, kgr 1?
    Or are Senate Committees fake news?
    The minority report pretty much is:

    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Perhaps you should read this..
    https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...gn%20Asset.pdf

    Conclusion.
    The minority staff investigation confirms that the NRA, its officers, board members, and donors engaged in a years-long effort to facilitate the U.S.-based activities of Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin. The U.S. Justice Department determined the activity of those Russian nationals—one now convicted of a felony charge of conspiracy to act as an unregistered foreign agent and the other designated by the U.S. Treasury Department for the Russian Federation’s global malign activity, including attempting to subvert Western democracies and malicious cyber activities—amounted to an illegal conspiracy to gain access to American organizations through the NRA. The scope of the NRA’s support for these Russian activities raises concerns about whether the activity in which the NRA, its officers and board members engaged were in furtherance of the organization’s exempt purpose.
    The NRA is a lobbying group that supports, ultimately, Second Amendment rights. In the current political climate, that amounts mostly to support for Republicans. The minority report constitutes little more than smear by insinuation, hoping, with the complicity of NPR and its ilk, to either dilute the NRA's influence, or, if lucky enough to rescind the IRS tax-exempt designations, to significantly cripple its ability to raise funds to publicize its message.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    Psst, buddy. . . your ignorance is showing.
    Yours, combined with simpleminded zealotry, has reduced you to ad hominems. Show me the facts supporting McMike's claims, if you can.

    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Lol, if you're not curious enough to know, I'm not getting paid enough to educate you.
    So none of you have anything, much less you. Show what you consider to be wrongdoing, and how it's significant.

    Needless to say though, it's fact.
    No, clever lad, it's your opinion. If you have any facts to support your opinions as quoted below, trot 'em out.

    Originally Posted by McMike
    The NRA is a fraud lobbyist for gun manufacturers. It took Brian's money and used it to line the pockets of a few thieves and used it's [sic] influence to allow Russian interests leak [sic] into our election process. The "PSA" released over the past 4-8 years border on inciting terrorism and preys on stupid, fearful, people's bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Perhaps you should read this..
    https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...gn%20Asset.pdf

    Conclusion.
    The minority staff investigation confirms that the NRA, its officers, board members, and donors engaged in a years-long effort to facilitate the U.S.-based activities of Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin. The U.S. Justice Department determined the activity of those Russian nationals—one now convicted of a felony charge of conspiracy to act as an unregistered foreign agent and the other designated by the U.S. Treasury Department for the Russian Federation’s global malign activity, including attempting to subvert Western democracies and malicious cyber activities—amounted to an illegal conspiracy to gain access to American organizations through the NRA. The scope of the NRA’s support for these Russian activities raises concerns about whether the activity in which the NRA, its officers and board members engaged were in furtherance of the organization’s exempt purpose.
    Absolutely.

    kgr1, I'm an NRA life member, and I wish it were not all true, but I cannot ignore the facts. The NRA leadership is corrupt at minimum, and possibly guilty of treasonous charges. Even before Trump, they were making wildly slanderous statements against Barack Obama. I recall back to 1982 or 1983 when I got a letter to solicit a donation, and rhetoric even back then was already going off the rails, asking for donations to the Olympic shooting team, because the USA boycotted the Moscow Olympics in 1984, so now, the Soviet Union wants to "get us back". Yes, they want to win. Just like we want to win. What's your point, I said at the time. (In the end, the Soviets boycotted the Los Angeles Olympics so that point was moo*.) I remember it so well because I wrote a college paper on the letter, exposing its fallacies.

    * "Y'know, like a cow's opinion. It doesn't matter. The point is moo." - Joey (Friends)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    NPR has become an unabashed shill for the Democrats, using Federal money (including, unwillingly, mine) to spread its propaganda. Show me where anything in that article supports Mr McMike's claim that the NRA "used it's influence to allow Russian interests leak into our election process." (Whatever he means by that.)

    The minority report pretty much is:

    The NRA is a lobbying group that supports, ultimately, Second Amendment rights. In the current political climate, that amounts mostly to support for Republicans. The minority report constitutes little more than smear by insinuation, hoping, with the complicity of NPR and its ilk, to either dilute the NRA's influence, or, if lucky enough to rescind the IRS tax-exempt designations, to significantly cripple its ability to raise funds to publicize its message.

    Yours, combined with simpleminded zealotry, has reduced you to ad hominems. Show me the facts supporting McMike's claims, if you can.

    So none of you have anything, much less you. Show what you consider to be wrongdoing, and how it's significant.

    No, clever lad, it's your opinion. If you have any facts to support your opinions as quoted below, trot 'em out.
    Will someone please give this man a dose of downthecreek?

    You know, the one about the little troll who stakes out a particular position that nobody cares anything about, and defends it like a terrier, laying waste the countryside . . .

    Creeky said it best, and my google fu is weak.

    Anybody?
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    NRA has become an unabashed shill
    ...

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    Kgr1, do you watch fox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    NPR has become an unabashed shill for the Democrats, using Federal money (including, unwillingly, mine) to spread its propaganda. Show me where anything in that article supports Mr McMike's claim that the NRA "used it's influence to allow Russian interests leak into our election process." (Whatever he means by that.)

    ...
    You have just proven that you've never listened to NPR & that you believe the biased complaints about it with no personal knowledge.

    Try getting out a little more.

    BTW: One of the most common complaints of actual NPR listeners is that they skew too far towards RW guests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Will someone please give this man a dose of downthecreek?

    You know, the one about the little troll who stakes out a particular position that nobody cares anything about, and defends it like a terrier, laying waste the countryside . . .
    You, and others, seem to care quite a bit about the NRA, enough that you applaud the obvious smear tactics used against it. Even the usually rational B(otB) gets so upset that he loses facts and timeline in his rush to jump on the bandwagon.

    Again, give me (and everyone else reading this thread) a clear timeline of activities in regard to the named Russians (or any others), what those activities were, how the NRA aided them, and in what way, and how and why those activities were improper or "potentially treasonous." I have pointed out the obvious reasons for the stretches of the "minority report." The Democrats would like nothing better than to eliminate the political clout of the NRA as a factor against their attempt to overthrow the Constitution and the will of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    You, and others, seem to care quite a bit about the NRA, enough that you applaud the obvious smear tactics used against it. Even the usually rational B(otB) gets so upset that he loses facts and timeline in his rush jump on the bandwagon.

    Again, give me (and everyone else reading this thread, a clear timeline of activities in regard to the named Russians (or any others), what those activities were, how the NRA aided them, and in what way, and how and why those activities were improper or "potentially treasonous." I have pointed out the obvious reasons for the stretches of the "minority report." The Democrats would like nothing better than to eliminate the political clout of the NRA as a factor against their attempt to overthrow the Constitution and the will of the people.
    Again, you most eloquently accuse others of your own crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgr1 View Post
    You, and others, seem to care quite a bit about the NRA, enough that you applaud the obvious smear tactics used against it. Even the usually rational B(otB) gets so upset that he loses facts and timeline in his rush jump on the bandwagon.

    Again, give me (and everyone else reading this thread) a clear timeline of activities in regard to the named Russians (or any others), what those activities were, how the NRA aided them, and in what way, and how and why those activities were improper or "potentially treasonous." I have pointed out the obvious reasons for the stretches of the "minority report." The Democrats would like nothing better than to eliminate the political clout of the NRA as a factor against their attempt to overthrow the Constitution and the will of the people.
    So - you're good with Wayne jetting about, supporting Russians who are trying to ruin or government etc.? Okeydoke - please feel free to support his lifestyle - but I hope you'll stop at supporting Russians.

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