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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Well, yes and no. It works well for the Alaska because the sleeping platform is 10' long (yes, really). But the tent itself is 8' long, and needs to be stretched out to stand up. So, realistically, you need a bare minimum of an 8' flat space to stretch the tent out, and that means the anchor points front and back have to be farther apart than 8'.

    I suspect many boats won't have a space long enough to make this tent work.

    Also, I haven't tested the rainfly yet. The tent is a bit saggy--not sure if that's a result of design (e.g. lack of catenary curves to allow tensioning), or just the constraints of space (not being able to stretch it out tautly enough).

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    All true. It's a pretty low-tech tent, honestly. Nobody has made a new two-hoop tent in years, and there's no getting around the fact that you can't sit up in it. It's "more than a bivvy, but less than a tent". There are certainly still two-hoop tents on the market, but things have moved on.

    On the other hand, it will fit into a whole lot of boats, if they have planking for a flat sleeping surface and the whole tent is pretty inexpensive. There are some other options rather like the Eureka Solo out there, for around $100 that might work, and will give sitting headroom at least at the head of the tent.
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    Hmm... My own impression is that the 8' length would mean there are actually very few boats that it would fit. Realistically, you're looking at the need for a 9' space to allow stretching the tent out so it will stand up. What with thwarts, decks, centerboard cases, etc., I wonder how many boats could actually make use of it.

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    Thank you for taking the time to write up your cruise, I really enjoyed it.

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    Thanks for another enjoyable thread Tom.

    Camping chair AND rowing cushion........
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Your thread on this trip was a wonderful read, It almost looks familiar to me..

    You mention sailing like in Swallows and Amazons territory, But to be more precise, it's like Coot Club and Big Six territory. My sailing area is based in Horning on the Norfolk Broads, which is mentioned in those books, .. https://horning-sailing.club/ If you look at the club video on the front page you'll see what I mean, just up beyond the corner there are no houses, and it looks very like your sailing area..
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...514!4d1.464315
    Just an amateur bodging away..

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Thanks for another enjoyable thread Tom.

    Camping chair AND rowing cushion........
    Yes, but I left the cooler at home! No stove or fire, either. I think I ate about 10 cans of olives on this trip, and not much else. Does that help keep me in the "iron men/wooden ships" category?

    The rowing cushion has been there from the get-go with this boat. My brother made them for his boat, but ended up hating them--too thick, too firm. They are completely essential to use the "bow lounger" in the Alaska, and are awfully nice when sitting on the keel, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    Your thread on this trip was a wonderful read, It almost looks familiar to me..

    You mention sailing like in Swallows and Amazons territory, But to be more precise, it's like Coot Club and Big Six territory. My sailing area is based in Horning on the Norfolk Broads, which is mentioned in those books, .. https://horning-sailing.club/ If you look at the club video on the front page you'll see what I mean, just up beyond the corner there are no houses, and it looks very like your sailing area..
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...514!4d1.464315
    Oh, that's nice! You're right--I could see myself happily sailing a long way up the River Bure (why is it so cool that rivers in the UK say "river" first--here it's "Flambeau River," for example, and not "River Flambeau"). I bet people at your sailing club learn to tack very efficiently.

    So what is a "broad" anyway? I've heard the term, of course, but never knew. Looks like a pond or backwater connecting to a river's edge? Is this a tidal area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Oh, that's nice! You're right--I could see myself happily sailing a long way up the River Bure (why is it so cool that rivers in the UK say "river" first--here it's "Flambeau River," for example, and not "River Flambeau"). I bet people at your sailing club learn to tack very efficiently.

    So what is a "broad" anyway? I've heard the term, of course, but never knew. Looks like a pond or backwater connecting to a river's edge? Is this a tidal area?

    Tom
    The Norfolk Broads are flooded medieval peat excavations, a practice known as turbary.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Broads
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbary

    The wiki article on turbary skips over the fact that it was a wide spread practice in the middle ages.

    Nick

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    Ah! Some of my local cruising areas are dammed lakes that flooded the underlying peat bogs. Occasionally large sections of peat pop up to the surface as floating islands. These can be quite large, and once they've been around long enough, can have mature trees over 40' tall on them. But they are fully floating, and you never know where they'll be. It can be quite confusing to follow a map which shows two tiny islands, for example, when reality shows one big island where a floating peat bog with a tamarack forest on it has gotten lodged between two islands.

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    Thanks for posting this, Tom! Looks like a great trip and I'm envious of nice water that doesn't have current ripping down it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickW View Post
    The Norfolk Broads are flooded medieval peat excavations, a practice known as turbary.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Broads
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbary

    The wiki article on turbary skips over the fact that it was a wide spread practice in the middle ages.

    Nick
    Often missed is the fact locals were still cutting peat for their own use till around WW1
    Just an amateur bodging away..

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Oh, that's nice! You're right--I could see myself happily sailing a long way up the River Bure (why is it so cool that rivers in the UK say "river" first--here it's "Flambeau River," for example, and not "River Flambeau"). I bet people at your sailing club learn to tack very efficiently.

    So what is a "broad" anyway? I've heard the term, of course, but never knew. Looks like a pond or backwater connecting to a river's edge? Is this a tidal area?

    Tom
    Broads are "Broad " expanses of water, in our terms anyway, the biggest being Hickling broad at 2.2 square miles, as Nick says flooded peat cuttings.

    Yes our sailors are good at tacking, when you consider that , that piece of water outside the clubhouse for 1.5 miles up river from there, may have 100 boats from optimists to 45ft sailing cruisers at the same time, during Regatta week, which should be next week but for covid 19. This with tourists driving (I wouldn't call it helming) up and down each side makes for crowded waters.

    We also run the 3 Rivers Race,http://www.3rr.uk/ 24 hours to cover 50 Miles, under 3 bridges which means taking your mast down 4 times(two bridges are near each other). The record is just over 8 hours (corrected time), the worst only 13 entries finished out of the 100 plus who started.

    So a couple of links to get you some idea of sailing here if you race, the rest of the time it's much more peaceful for a quiet cruise...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzaay1fRpss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSgMcPrcOXU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOpGhAqFBqg (I'm in this one somewhere Y210)
    Just an amateur bodging away..

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Ah! Some of my local cruising areas are dammed lakes that flooded the underlying peat bogs. Occasionally large sections of peat pop up to the surface as floating islands. These can be quite large, and once they've been around long enough, can have mature trees over 40' tall on them. But they are fully floating, and you never know where they'll be. It can be quite confusing to follow a map which shows two tiny islands, for example, when reality shows one big island where a floating peat bog with a tamarack forest on it has gotten lodged between two islands.

    Tom
    we don't normally get floating Islands that big but we do occasionally get say six foot across lumps sometimes with reeds on them. Locally they are known as " Hovvers"
    Just an amateur bodging away..

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    There's a few floating island bogs here--circled in yellow. The biggest one is over 30 acres--you can see the mature trees on it.

    bogs.jpg

    The second from left was lodged between the two tiny islands just to the north a few years back--very confusing to see one giant island in place of the two tiny islands showing on the map.

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