Novel Coronavirus

[skuthorp]

It was 400K that was panic porn.

In good time ERGR, patience. The virus is in charge not it's hosts.

[LeeG]

I wonder if people would act differently if the virus fatality age chart was reversed with infants and children being hit worse than the elderly.

[ERGR]

I would react differently. Most of us anticipate to die some day from something that nowadays often is Covid. To see our grand children die would be much worse.
/Erik

[peb]

Of course people would react differently. As they should. How can our actions not be based on the reality of the threat? Are you suggesting we should ignore evidence as to who is at risk?

[Hugh Conway]

It was 400K that was panic porn.

man these goalposts keep moving. The worst case predictions (like 400k) rely on nobody doing anything different, which seems to be inaccurate, but who knows. Our rationalists will rationalize their reality and pretend they are objective

[TomF]

You're soon going to reach the staggering figure of 200k positive diagnoses every day. It's fairly unavoidable now, considering that nobody in the places where the rates are highest is doing anything which will actually curb that increase.

That isn't "panic porn." Nor is the inexorable conclusion that a proportion of those cases will need hospitalization, a proportion of those hospitalized will need ICU care, and a proportion of those in ICU will die. And the death stats will increase to the degree that the ICU care (or the medical staff to operate ICUs) is insufficient to meet the demand. That's already happening in some hospitals, and the flood hasn't crested yet.

400k by the end of the calendar year isn't "panic porn"; it's slightly more severe than what the present trend could suggest. It's virtually a certainty that you'll reach 300k dead by Christmas, after all. And the death rate is growing now, not shrinking. Poised to grow faster as all that increasing # of folks now getting sick work their way through the course of the disease.

The only thing that will halt the pandemic now is mass vaccination, and that will only work for those who consent to take the vaccine. Ahem.

[Canoez]

You're soon going to reach the staggering figure of 200k positive diagnoses every day. It's fairly unavoidable now, considering that nobody in the places where the rates are highest is doing anything which will actually curb that increase.

That isn't "panic porn." Nor is the inexorable conclusion that a proportion of those cases will need hospitalization, a proportion of those hospitalized will need ICU care, and a proportion of those in ICU will die. And the death stats will increase to the degree that the ICU care (or the medical staff to operate ICUs) is insufficient to meet the demand. That's already happening in some hospitals, and the flood hasn't crested yet.

400k by the end of the calendar year isn't "panic porn"; it's slightly more severe than what the present trend could suggest. It's virtually a certainty that you'll reach 300k dead by Christmas, after all. And the death rate is growing now, not shrinking. Poised to grow faster as all that increasing # of folks now getting sick work their way through the course of the disease.

The only thing that will halt the pandemic now is mass vaccination, and that will only work for those who consent to take the vaccine. Ahem.

Yeah. I don't see panic porn. I do see appalling spread of the disease and little action to curb the spread - and virtually no action from the federal government.

[LeeG]

Of course people would react differently. As they should. How can our actions not be based on the reality of the threat? Are you suggesting we should ignore evidence as to who is at risk?

Our actions are often contrary to a threat. AIDS only hits sinners. Covid only hits old people with co morbidities. Hey lets have political and motorcycle rallies that ignore the evidence of who is at risk.

US has all the resources to limit the losses from day one and the administration walked away politicizing and dismissing the threat. I bet if infants and toddlers were primarily at risk the national response wouldn’t be that much different given the same dynamic of dismissal and denial.

I mean peb, do you think Trump would see reality differently if he wasn’t personally at risk?

[George.]

The US is now at over 2000 deaths/day, and still rising. New infections are also still spiking, so expect the death rate to keep rising for a month.

2000+/day with 41 days left in 2020 and the US already at 258,000 dead. Do the math and then tell me about "panic porn".

[peb]

Our actions are often contrary to a threat. AIDS only hits sinners. Covid only hits old people with co morbidities. Hey lets have political and motorcycle rallies that ignore the evidence of who is at risk.

US has all the resources to limit the losses from day one and the administration walked away politicizing and dismissing the threat. I bet if infants and toddlers were primarily at risk the national response wouldn’t be that much different given the same dynamic of dismissal and denial.

I mean peb, do you think Trump would see reality differently if he wasn’t personally at risk?

I have no idea on how to make any type of intelligent guess on how Trump sees reality.

[TomF]

Sure, we can all make at least one intelligent guess. Trump sees reality through a lens which focuses narrowly on his own interest, his own grievances, his own emotions. He is the center of his reality, and has demonstrated that in pretty much every aspect of his long, very public life.

[peb]

Sure, we can all make at least one intelligent guess. Trump sees reality through a lens which focuses narrowly on his own interest, his own grievances, his own emotions. He is the center of his reality, and has demonstrated that in pretty much every aspect of his long, very public life.

I stand corrected.

[skuthorp]

Twelve million notified cases in the America, the last million in the last 6 days.

Good Luck.

[Hwyl]

My (long distance) partner is in hospital because if it. she has an embolism and is not critical. I'm still worried though.

[WX]

Spoke to my daughter in Arizona yesterday, looks like a brother in law may have it.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

My (long distance) partner is in hospital because if it. she has an embolism and is not critical. I'm still worried though.

Ouch - that's stressful.

[Garret]

My (long distance) partner is in hospital because if it. she has an embolism and is not critical. I'm still worried though.

Hope it goes OK!

[LeeG]

I stand corrected.

Ok so “people” in general might act differently but with a president who diminished and denied the severity of the pandemic early on stifling any coordinated national response and politicizing simple things like masks there would still be no coordinated national response from the White House. This is why I asked if Trump would do anything differently. I mean it’s going to hit a tiny percentage of the population, but people with money will get the best care. QED It is what it is. And that’s effing ok with 71 million people who voted for him.

[RFNK]

When the G20 yesterday turned to making decisions about ways to assist poor countries with accessing vaccines, President Trump went off to play golf.

[Nicholas Carey]

My niece tested positive. Apparently a symptomatic. Another 10 days in quarantine and a negative brain swab and she's supposed to be good.

[Nicholas Carey]

When the G20 yesterday turned to making decisions about ways to assist poor countries with accessing vaccines, President Trump went off to play golf.

A man's gotta recreate!

Kinda boggles the mind doesn't it, though?

[RFNK]

It does. A person with no sense of responsibility at all.

[WX]

Spoke to my daughter in Arizona yesterday, looks like a brother in law may have it.

Heard today my daughter may have it. The brother in law has been staying with them.

[skuthorp]

Hope not Gary, but if so a full recovery.

[Garret]

When the G20 yesterday turned to making decisions about ways to assist poor countries with accessing vaccines, President Trump went off to play golf.

Sad & embarrassing to say it, but they probably got more done without him. Trump doesn't care about those ****hole countries!

[WX]

Hope not Gary, but if so a full recovery.

Hopefully find out tomorrow.

[skuthorp]

Meanwhile in Aus cases continue to be rare and mostly as a result of a returnee in quarantine. And restrictions continue to be lifted.

[hawkeye54]

How many 'golf days' is this, so far ?

[Nicholas Carey]

How many 'golf days' is this, so far ?

298 since January 20, 2016.

Figure one golf outing every 4-5 days.

[David G]

Stanford Faculty Senate Condemns Dr. Scott Atlas Over His Covid-19 Conduct


Another 'nothing but the best' Trump advisor. What else would we exepect out of the 'Hoover Institute'.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...h=2cb41646685e

[skuthorp]

Is a Hoover institute doctor like a Philladelphia lawyer………...

[George.]

Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is 90% effective and does not need a deep freeze.

[George.]

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[WX]

My daughter and 2 grandchildren have mild infections so far. Living in Arizona.

[Nicholas Carey]

Is a Hoover institute doctor like a Philladelphia lawyer………...

No. One of them is competent ��