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    How should shipping pirates be dealt with?


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    19 crew kidnapped from HK-flagged VLCC off Nigeria

    DECEMBER 4TH, 2019 SAM CHAMBERS EUROPE, PIRACY, TANKERS5 COMMENTS
    The piracy situation in West Africa has descended to new lows with a VLCC raided by armed men yesterday and 19 crew kidnapped. The attack on the Anglo-Eastern-managed Nave Constellation took place 66 nautical miles south of Bonny Offshore Terminal, and 24 nautical miles east of the Egina FPSO.
    Nineteen crew members were reportedly kidnapped, including eighteen Indian nationals and one Turkish national. The vessel was laden and outbound from the Bonny Offshore Terminal, underway at approximately 13.3 knots. It was not under escort at the time of the attack, security consultants Ambrey pointed out in an alert.
    The Nave Constellation is owned by Navios Maritime Acquisition according to VesselsValue.
    A spokesperson for the owner and the manager of the tanker commented today: “Navios as Owners and Anglo Eastern as Technical and Crew Managers’s prime concern is the safety and early return of the 19 persons taken by the pirate gang.
    All the appropriate authorities, including the Flag State, have been alerted and are responding and all the necessary action is being taken to secure their wellbeing and early release.”

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    and all the necessary action is being taken to secure their wellbeing and early release
    so the shipping company is paying the ransom eh?
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    How should shipping pirates be dealt with?
    phalanx ciws
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    phalanx ciws
    A trifle on the high side per ship plus the crew to operate it
    General Characteristics - Mk-15 Phalanx
    Caliber: 20mm
    Ammunition: Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot (APDS), Depleted Uranium sub-caliber penetrator. Penetrator changed to Tungsten 1988.
    Sensors: Self-contained search and track radar
    Cost: $5.6 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    A trifle on the high side per ship plus the crew to operate it
    it will take two per ship, although four per ship would be more betterer
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Or we could help them stop illegal fishing in the region so they can make a living doing what they used to, maybe stop one side extraction of natural resource in the region. Piracy tends to barely exist when there is legitimate economic opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by switters View Post
    Or we could help them stop illegal fishing in the region so they can make a living doing what they used to, maybe stop one side extraction of natural resource in the region. Piracy tends to barely exist when there is legitimate economic opportunity.
    That is the big issue with that region. The people native to it are being squeezed out of their own wealth by other countries. Given a choice between a hard life of fishing and a potentially short one of being a pirate, I think most would prefer to fish
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    What switters said. You are talking of firing on entirely the wrong boats. But the real pirates are in the governments of the countries that run these illegal fishing operations and the fishing boat owners. If you are going to shoot at anyone they are the targets we should have.
    And for government sponsored piracy not on the high seas, look to your own government, including mine.

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    7 billion people...

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    How should we deal with shipping companies who send civilian crews into what is pretty much a known war zone?

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    ^ You'd think their insurance companies would get on them.

    Progressive as I am, I hold freedom to navigate the high seas as sacrosanct.

    String 'em up to the tune of The Rogue's March, right then and there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    ^ You'd think their insurance companies would get on them.

    Progressive as I am, I hold freedom to navigate the high seas as sacrosanct.

    String 'em up to the tune of The Rogue's March, right then and there.
    I totally agree. Damn the hard luck stories.

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    Illegal fishing that take folks' livelihood is a bad thing, and ought to be stopped.

    As for pirates, I agree with Paul; that Phalanx would be just about right. Pieces not quite big enough for stew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    ^ You'd think their insurance companies would get on them.

    Progressive as I am, I hold freedom to navigate the high seas as sacrosanct.

    String 'em up to the tune of The Rogue's March, right then and there.
    Think of Ford and the Pinto. It was cheaper to insure against action than fix the problem.
    Same applies. Most crews are from poorer countries, are their families capable of suing? Token payments from the shipping company or their insurers are the cheapest option.
    And I don't really know but I bet there's laws against civillian vessels carrying and using naval artillery against anyone.

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    The Nigerian government should be making enough from the oil and LNG market to pay for their Navy to escort ships in and out of port and the Navy should be well enough equipped to deal with the pirates.

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    What if they were blind pirates? Would you still want to evaporate them?

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    A lot of these pirates had onshore work before outside intervention in most cases. Sad to say those that respond of turn them into red fog or hang them, might ask first why they are doing it.

    Friend of mine had to watch his boat get completely stripped in the Red Sea, he made a point of moaning about them taking his spare compass and leaving him with absolutely nothing, but he said "a 15 year old kid that looks like he has been smoking pot for a week and no sleep with a AK47 pointing at your guts, puts a compass and the rest of your life in perpective". He survived, they left him with a small jib and enough food and water for 2 days, and pointed him in the right direction.

    Talking after the fact, he said he couldnt blame them, he did think taking his last compass (he had 3)was very low. He did mention the fact of European and Asian trawlers he had seen in the area.

    A German friend was running a crab boat in Angola, he was quite aware of the damage one modern boat was doing to the local economy, but he didnt seem to care, the money was good. Same old same old, pillage and plunder and then complain about the knock-on effect. Its small potatoes compared to the financial theft and fraud going on in London and New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Think of Ford and the Pinto. It was cheaper to insure against action than fix the problem.
    Same applies. Most crews are from poorer countries, are their families capable of suing? Token payments from the shipping company or their insurers are the cheapest option.
    And I don't really know but I bet there's laws against civillian vessels carrying and using naval artillery against anyone.
    I suspect that the actual pirates do not get to divi up that ransom. The lion's share goes to middle men and the kingpin. The actual pirates (possibly high on kat) get very little.

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