An Open Letter to Greta Thunberg

[Rum_Pirate]

Do you agree with the points/issues raised in this letter?

An Open Letter to Greta Thunberg

You are not a moral leader. But I will tell you what you are.
Mon Nov 11, 2019 Jason D. Hill

Greta Thunberg:
You have declared yourself a leader and said that your generation will start a revolution. You have comported yourself as a credentialed adult and climate change activist who has fearlessly addressed politicians and world leaders. You have dropped out of school and declared that there isn’t any reason to attend, or any reason for you to study since there will be no future for you to inherit. You have, rather than attend your classes, been leading Friday Climate Strikes for all students in your generation across the globe. Your attendance at oil pipelines has been striking. There, you unequivocally declare that all oil needs to remain in the ground where it belongs.
I shall, therefore, against the backdrop of your activism, address you as an adult rather than as a child.
In September of 2019 you crossed the Atlantic in a “zero carbon” racing yacht that had no toilet and electric light on board. You made an impassioned plea at the United Nations in which you claimed that, “we have stolen your dreams and our childhood with our empty words.” You claimed that adults and world leaders come to young people for answers and explained in anger: “How dare you!” You claimed that we are failing you and that young people are beginning to understand our betrayal. You further declared that if we continue to fail your generation: “We will never forgive you.”
You have stated that you want us to panic, and to act as if our homes are on fire. You insist that rich countries must reduce to zero emissions immediately. In your speeches you attack economic growth and have stated that our current climate crisis is caused by “buying and building things.” You call for climate justice and equity, without addressing the worst polluter on the planet China; the country that is economically annexing much of Africa and Latin America. You dare not lecture Iran about its uranium projects -- because that’s not part of the UN’s agenda, is it?
You proclaim that we need to live within the planetary boundaries, to focus on equity and “take a few steps back” for the sake of all living species. You resent the hierarchical distinctions between human and animals and entertain no qualitative distinction between a monkey, a malaria-infested mosquito and a snarling hyena. You mouth slogans such as: “We have set in motion an irreversible chain reaction beyond control,” and you advocate for universal veganism on the Ellen DeGeneres show. You do not buy new clothes, and you don’t want the rest of us to either. You want us all to stop flying in jet planes without giving us an alternative as to how we would re-transform our financial and trading systems—to say nothing of our personal enjoyment of the world—without regression to a primeval era. Few can afford to cross the Atlantic in a $6M zero carbon yacht financed by rich people who made their wealth by the very means you condemn as loathsome.
There are a few things that we, the rational adults of the world who are not bowing to you like guilt-ridden obsequious Babbitts need to say to you, Greta.

First, we did not rob you of your childhood or of your dreams. You are the legatee of a magnificent technological civilization which my generation and the one before it and several others preceding it all the way to the Industrial Revolution and the Renaissance, bequeathed to you. That growth-driven, capitalist technological civilization has created the conditions for you to harangue us over our betrayal. It is a civilization that eradicated diseases such as small pox from the word, and that lifted millions out of abject poverty in a universe you think is dying and decaying. It assured you a life expectancy that exceeded that of your ancestors. Most likely by focusing on economic growth which you demonize, and scientific advancement, that civilization will further enhance a robust quality of life and health for your descendants.
Here is a hard truth to ponder, Greta: if the great producers of this world whom you excoriate were to withdraw their productivity, wealth and talents—in short—their minds from the world today, your generation would simply perish. Why? Because as children you have done nothing as yet, with your lives besides being born. This is what we expect of children until such time as they can be producers by learning from their elders. You are understandably social and ecological ballast. You are not yet cognitively advanced to replicate the structures of survival of which you are the beneficiaries.
Children are important installments on the future. We have invested in you. It is you and your smug generation which think they have nothing to learn from the older ones who are failing themselves. Whom do you expect to employ the majority of you if you have neither the job credentials or life competency skills to navigate the world? The future unemployable-skipping- school-on-Friday obstreperous children?
The truth, as one anonymous blogger aptly put it, is that your generation is unable to work up to forty hours per week without being chronically depressed and anxious. Its members cannot even decide if they want to be a boy or a girl, or both, or neither, or a “they.” They cannot eat meat without crying. I might add that your generation needs “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” as pre-conditions for learning in school. Its members have a pathological need to be coddled and protected from the challenging realities of life. Your generation is the biggest demander and consumer of carbon spewing technological gadgets and devices. An hour without any of them and too many of you succumb to paralyzing lethargy. Your generation is the least curious and most insular set of individuals one has ever encountered. Your hubris extends so far that you think you have nothing to learn from your elders.
Yes, we have betrayed you: by capitulating the world of leadership to bored, attention-deficit children who spout bromides, platitudes and slogans that a rudderless and morally relativistic culture accepts because a significant number of its denizens have become intellectually bankrupt and morally lazy.
The logical endpoint of your ecological vision would see us living in primeval conditions eking out an existence in jungle swamps in which we would regard poisonous snakes and man-eating tigers as our moral equals. We would have to adapt ourselves to nature rather than adapt nature to meet our needs, like all members of civilized civilizations do. Your vision would see us foraging for mushrooms and plants without knowing which were inimical to our digestive systems. Under your system we would swelter from heat, die from rampant plagues and starvation because there will be no air-conditioning units, no sophisticated plumbing and irrigations and sewer systems, no anti-bacterial soap made from animal matter, no pesticides and chemicals to sanitize our food and drinking supplies: just one primordial swamp of human putrefaction.
If civilization is left in the hands of your ecofascist supporters we will be living in grass huts, drinking animal feces infested water, and shrinking in fear from polar bears instead of killing them for food when they attack us.

contd

[Rum_Pirate]

Contd

Greta, living in complete harmony with nature is the death of creativity. Understand this. All great civilizations were forged in the crucibles of proper exploitation of the earth. Those who lived on land with oil and did nothing with it never had a right to it in the first place. Non-usage of God’s resources is the cardinal sin because it results in the un-development of our human capabilities, and makes us indistinguishable from beasts.
Your generation needs to be taught the morality of wealth creation, rather than only parasitically benefiting from it. The only revolution you will lead is one into nihilism and civilization regression. You need to learn about the moral case for fossil fuel. You owe it to yourself to understand how as, Kathleen Hartnett White has detailed, the harnessing of the vast store of concentrated energy in fossil fuels allowed mankind, for the first time in human history, to escape intractable constraints and energy limits that had left all but the very privileged in total poverty and depravity. Before the Industrial Revolution all societies were dependent on a very limited flow of solar energy captured in living plants for subsistence needs such as food, fuel and shelter.
But we, the creative enterprisers, will not go back to the Dark Ages. Your philosophy can be summed up as follows:
What was good for my anthropoid ancestors is good for me. Do not rock the boat, or even build one as that will require cutting down a tree. Do not disrupt nature. Do not dare to see the earth as rightfully belonging to us. We don’t have the right to use our brains in a manner that can transform our needs into a material form. Let’s conveniently forget that production is the application of reason to the problems of survival. Let’s all diminish the grandeur of man and his luminous potential. Crush the Thomas Edisons of this world.
The apocalyptic world vision you hold has been a strip landing for those who have hated progress throughout history. Your apocalyptic predictions have been made for millennia, and, we’re still here. We will still be here long after you’ve grown up and we have forgiven you for skipping classes, thereby lowering the intelligence quotient of an entire generation.
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Jason D. Hill is professor of philosophy at DePaul University in Chicago, and a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center. His areas of specialization include ethics, social and political philosophy, American foreign policy and American politics. He is the author of several books, including “We Have Overcome: An Immigrant’s Letter to the American People” (Bombardier Books/Post Hill Press).

[John of Phoenix]

On April 16, 2019, Jason Hill published an article in The Federalist in which he argued that Palestinians should be stripped of their right to self-determination and of their right to vote. In his article, Hill argues that Israel has a moral right to annex the West Bank, and to either contain or expel Palestinians from their land. Hill argues that "not all cultures are indeed equal": Jewish culture is morally exceptional and should be given "unconditional space for the continued evolution of [Jewish] civilization."[13] Other cultures, he argues, are "abysmally inferior and regressive based on their comprehensive philosophy and fundamental principles--or lack thereof--that guide or fail to protect the inalienable rights of their citizens."[14] In this article, Hill also states that the U.S. should pay reparations to the State of Israel, and that Israel's use of violence against Palestinians is morally justifiable and the sole responsibility of Palestinians themselves.

[John of Phoenix]

Where does he get this ***? And why does he post it knowing he'll be ridiculed?

[John of Phoenix]

The David Horowitz Freedom Center, formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture (CSPC), is a conservative[3][4][5] foundation founded in 1988 by political activist David Horowitz and his long-time collaborator Peter Collier. It was established with funding from groups including the John M. Olin Foundation, the Bradley Foundation and the Scaife Foundation. It runs several websites and blogs, including FrontPage Magazine, Students for Academic Freedom and the blog Jihad Watch. Both the foundation and Jihad Watch have been described as Islamophobic.[6][7][8]

[Rum_Pirate]

The David Horowitz Freedom Center, formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture (CSPC), is a conservative[3][4][5] foundation founded in 1988 by political activist David Horowitz and his long-time collaborator Peter Collier. It was established with funding from groups including the John M. Olin Foundation, the Bradley Foundation and the Scaife Foundation. It runs several websites and blogs, including FrontPage Magazine, Students for Academic Freedom and the blog Jihad Watch. Both the foundation and Jihad Watch have been described as Islamophobic.[6][7][8]

OK.

However that does not dispel the points raised in the 'letter'. BTW I did not observe anything in the letter that was Islamophobic, did you?

There are some points which are apt, and others that aren't necessarily so in my view.

So I raised the question "Do you agree with the points/issues raised in this letter?" .

[Chris249]

OK.

However that does not dispel the points raised in the 'letter'. BTW I did not observe anything in the letter that was Islamophobic, did you?

There are some points which are apt, and others that aren't necessarily so in my view.

So I raised the question "Do you agree with the points/issues raised in this letter?" .

No, I don't agree with many of the points raised in the letter. I haven't actually followed Greta so I do not know if he is misquoting her. I believe he probably is, because the letter shows that its writer is a liar, and since the writer also professes to be a Christian and Christianity says one should not lie, the writer is a hypocrite.

For example, the smug hypocrite claims that "The truth, as one anonymous blogger aptly put it, is that your generation is unable to work up to forty hours per week without being chronically depressed and anxious. Its members cannot even decide if they want to be a boy or a girl, or both, or neither, or a “they.” They cannot eat meat without crying...... Its members have a pathological need to be coddled and protected from the challenging realities of life. Your generation is the biggest demander and consumer of carbon spewing technological gadgets and devices. An hour without any of them and too many of you succumb to paralyzing lethargy. Your generation is the least curious and most insular set of individuals one has ever encountered. Your hubris extends so far that you think you have nothing to learn from your elders."

That paragraph is not just a lie, it is a stupid and vicious lie. Greta's generation includes many children in developing countries who work 40 hours a week and more. Even in affluent countries, there are many kids who turn up to school and then go to work at Macdonalds or KFC, much to the despair of their teachers. And yes, any look at any Maccas will show that many of Greta's generation eat lots of meat. And no, the fact that the writer is clearly being rhetorical does not excuse such a vicious, hate-filled mass of lies.

To claim that a generation who are generally too young to drive and do not possess cars are "the biggest consumers of carbon producing gadgets" is another lie. An iphone uses far less carbon than the SUVs that many of the older generation chooses. It is older generations who tend to fly more, buy household appliances, etc.

To claim, as the racist lying hypocritical writer does, that "Those who lived on land with oil and did nothing with it never had a right to it in the first place. Non-usage of God’s resources is the cardinal sin because it results in the un-development of our human capabilities, and makes us indistinguishable from beasts" is just ridiculous. God-fearing Christians lived on land with other mineral resources for eons without doing anything with those resources. Jesus Christ lived on land with oil and did nothing with it, so according to this fool, the man he worships committed the cardinal sin and was indistinguishable from beasts. Isn't insulting god like that a sin? That anyone can write such tosh indicates that they are utterly illogical and enormously biased, as well as clearly racist.

By claiming that "Before the Industrial Revolution all societies were dependent on a very limited flow of solar energy captured in living plants for subsistence needs such as food, fuel and shelter" the author is again showing his ignorance. Fish, he may be surprised to know, is an ancient food source. It would apparently stagger him to know that fish are not plants. He may also be surprised to know that bricks and tiles, which pre-date the IR by thousands of years, are also not living plants. Nor are peat and coal, which were used for fuel well before the IR.

These things may appear minor, but they show that this fool does not know his history and that he is happy to lie in order to try to make a pathetic rhetorical point. He is a dishonest racist fool and his rantings should be seen in that light.

[LeeG]

OK.

However that does not dispel the points raised in the 'letter'. BTW I did not observe anything in the letter that was Islamophobic, did you?

There are some points which are apt, and others that aren't necessarily so in my view.

So I raised the question "Do you agree with the points/issues raised in this letter?" .

You first. And where do you get this stuff?

[Paul Pless]

And where do you get this stuff?

lmgtfy

[Rum_Pirate]

You first. And where do you get this stuff?

You obviously have not read the posts on the thread.
See Post # 15.

Oh and Google.

[LeeG]

You obviously have not read the posts on the thread.
See Post # 15.

Oh and Google.

I have no idea that post is your words or more c&p. Again how did this “ letter” come to your attention?

[Rum_Pirate]

I have no idea that post is your words or more c&p. Again how did this “ letter” come to your attention?

Obviously you did not read the OP and posts. Hey ho, no problem.

Are you the Forum Police?
If so, show your badge number and authorization.
Does one have to state every time(careful with your answer now) where any information that is posted on this form is sourced?

[John of Phoenix]

Sweet Mother of God reds are Stupid.

[gypsie]

OK. However that does not dispel the points raised in the 'letter'.

That letter is clearly just a chance for this guy to insult Ms. Thunberg. He just rolls from personal insult to personal insult.

Being reduced to drinking animal feces infested water! WTF is he talking about. It's an infantile rant. Complete nonsense.

[Rum_Pirate]

I read it and several questions arose:
1. Do you believe that she should have ended her education: "You have dropped out of school and declared that there isn’t any reason to attend, or any reason for you to study since there will be no future for you to inherit."
2. Should she encourage students in her generation to have Friday Climate Strikes rather than attend their classes,
3. Is this accurate of her: " our current climate crisis is caused by “buying and building things.” Y
4. I don't know if she addressed China's pollution elsewhere. If not she should do along with the Iran uranium situation.
5. I would disagree with slogans such as: “We have set in motion an irreversible chain reaction beyond control,” and advocating universal veganism
6 If nobody buys new clothes then the clothes will wear to and there will be no 'new' clothes to become 'second hand clothes'.
7. This is correct: You want us all to stop flying in jet planes without giving us an alternative as to how we would re-transform our financial and trading systems
8. Correct: Few can afford to cross the Atlantic in a $6M zero carbon yacht financed by rich people who made their wealth by the very means you condemn as loathsome.
9. True: You are the legatee of a magnificent technological civilization which my generation and the one before it and several others preceding it all the way to the Industrial Revolution and the Renaissance, bequeathed to you.
10. True: It is a civilization that eradicated diseases such as small pox from the word, and that lifted millions out of abject poverty in a universe you think is dying and decaying. It assured you a life expectancy that exceeded that of your ancestors.
11. I agree: The truth, as one anonymous blogger aptly put it, is that your generation is unable to work up to forty hours per week without being chronically depressed and anxious.
12: True: Its members cannot even decide if they want to be a boy or a girl, or both, or neither, or a “they.”
13. True for many: They cannot eat meat without crying.
14. Seems like quite a few: : your generation needs “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” as pre-conditions for learning in school. Its members have a pathological need to be coddled and protected from the challenging realities of life.
15. True: Your generation is the biggest demander and consumer of carbon spewing technological gadgets and devices.
16: On it's way: betrayed you: by capitulating the world of leadership to bored, attention-deficit children who spout bromides, platitudes and slogans that a rudderless and morally relativistic culture accepts because a significant number of its denizens have become intellectually bankrupt and morally lazy.

There are others.
But will call a halt here as the majority on this forum will not wish to discuss anything, including this, unless it is against their President and anyone that does not avidly support their political and biased beliefs.

Lighten up chaps, discuss things, try not to be parochial and bogged down in your close minded mantra.

[Paul Pless]

Lighten up chaps, discuss things, try not to be parochial and bogged down in your close minded mantra.

forsooth

[Chris249]

I read it and several questions arose:
1. Do you believe that she should have ended her education: "You have dropped out of school and declared that there isn’t any reason to attend, or any reason for you to study since there will be no future for you to inherit."



2. Should she encourage students in her generation to have Friday Climate Strikes rather than attend their classes,

Why not? Taking ONE day off school to express your point of view on something you feel to be very important isn't a bad thing.

3. Is this accurate of her: " our current climate crisis is caused by “buying and building things.”



4. I don't know if she addressed China's pollution elsewhere. If not she should do along with the Iran uranium situation.
5. I would disagree with slogans such as: “We have set in motion an irreversible chain reaction beyond control,” and advocating universal veganism
6 If nobody buys new clothes then the clothes will wear to and there will be no 'new' clothes to become 'second hand clothes'.

7. This is correct: You want us all to stop flying in jet planes without giving us an alternative as to how we would re-transform our financial and trading systems

8. Correct: Few can afford to cross the Atlantic in a $6M zero carbon yacht financed by rich people who made their wealth by the very means you condemn as loathsome.
9. True: You are the legatee of a magnificent technological civilization which my generation and the one before it and several others preceding it all the way to the Industrial Revolution and the Renaissance, bequeathed to you.
10. True: It is a civilization that eradicated diseases such as small pox from the word, and that lifted millions out of abject poverty in a universe you think is dying and decaying. It assured you a life expectancy that exceeded that of your ancestors.
11. I agree: The truth, as one anonymous blogger aptly put it, is that your generation is unable to work up to forty hours per week without being chronically depressed and anxious.
12: True: Its members cannot even decide if they want to be a boy or a girl, or both, or neither, or a “they.”
13. True for many: They cannot eat meat without crying.
14. Seems like quite a few: : your generation needs “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” as pre-conditions for learning in school. Its members have a pathological need to be coddled and protected from the challenging realities of life.
15. True: Your generation is the biggest demander and consumer of carbon spewing technological gadgets and devices.
16: On it's way: betrayed you: by capitulating the world of leadership to bored, attention-deficit children who spout bromides, platitudes and slogans that a rudderless and morally relativistic culture accepts because a significant number of its denizens have become intellectually bankrupt and morally lazy.

There are others.
But will call a halt here as the majority on this forum will not wish to discuss anything, including this, unless it is against their President and anyone that does not avidly support their political and biased beliefs.

Lighten up chaps, discuss things, try not to be parochial and bogged down in your close minded mantra.

For one, many of your "truths" are in fact lies. It is, for example, a ludicrous lie that you say that an entire generation cannot work out their gender. It is a lie to say that the younger generation is the greatest consumer of carbon generating items. It is a lie to claim that all members of her generation need "safe spaces" etc.

There seems to be no reason why reducing flying requires re-creation of our financial systems.

Your last line is smug self-worship, where you are putting yourself on a pedestal of your own arrogance and pretending that others are closed-minded and you are superior.

[Rum_Pirate]

For one, many of your "truths" are in fact lies. It is, for example, a ludicrous lie that you say that an entire generation cannot work out their gender.

One is entitled to hyperbole. As to not work out their gender the numbers are increasing dramatically. That can and should be an entire thread for discussion.

Your last line is smug self-worship, where you are putting yourself on a pedestal of your own arrogance and pretending that others are closed-minded and you are superior.

Encouraging fellow forumites to lighten up is 'smug self worship' ? Where and how do I do 'smug self-worship' (quote me)? Care to explain your remark?

Where do I put myself on a pedestal of 'own arrogance' ?

Pretending(?) that others are close-minded? ROTFLMAO Seems that you don't read posts on this forum.

[Paul Pless]

Where do I put myself on a pedestal of 'own arrogance' ?

tehe

[Chris249]

One is entitled to hyperbole. As to not work out their gender the numbers are increasing dramatically. That can and should be an entire thread for discussion.

Encouraging fellow forumites to lighten up is 'smug self worship' ? Where and how do I do 'smug self-worship' (quote me)? Care to explain your remark?

Where do I put myself on a pedestal of 'own arrogance' ?

Pretending(?) that others are close-minded? ROTFLMAO Seems that you don't read posts on this forum.

By alleging to others that they are "parochial" and "bogged down in their closed-minded mantra" without showing the tiniest evidence that you are not subject to and aware of your own parochailism and your own closed-minded attitudes.

We are all subject to our own parochialism and our own bias, but you appear to ignore that because you think you are above such things.

Oh, and posting a link that abuses a young person is not "lighten up" stuff, unless you find insulting teenage girls to be a form of light entertainment.

PS - if you and the writer you posted are entitled to hyperbole then so is Greta. One of the many stupid things about the rant you posted is that the writer calls Greta out for hyperbole and then goes further down that road than she did.

[Rum_Pirate]

By alleging to others that they are "parochial" and "bogged down in their closed-minded mantra" without showing the tiniest evidence that you are not subject to your own parochailism and your own closed-minded attitudes.

We are all subject to our own parochialism and our own bias, but you appear to ignore that because you think you are above such things.

Appreciate you pointing out that people on the forum are parochial and are biased.

I hereby admit that I have foibles, after all nobody is perfect.
Happy?

I am not ignoring that 'people on the forum are parochial and are biased', in fact I appointing it out.

You are not me and thus do not know what I think. You only think you do.
So please refrain from 'putting words in my mouth'.

[Paul Pless]

as is a profound lack of self awareness

[Beowolf]

I read it and several questions arose:
1. Do you believe that she should have ended her education: "You have dropped out of school and declared that there isn’t any reason to attend, or any reason for you to study since there will be no future for you to inherit."
2. Should she encourage students in her generation to have Friday Climate Strikes rather than attend their classes,
3. Is this accurate of her: " our current climate crisis is caused by “buying and building things.” Y
4. I don't know if she addressed China's pollution elsewhere. If not she should do along with the Iran uranium situation.
5. I would disagree with slogans such as: “We have set in motion an irreversible chain reaction beyond control,” and advocating universal veganism
6 If nobody buys new clothes then the clothes will wear to and there will be no 'new' clothes to become 'second hand clothes'.
7. This is correct: You want us all to stop flying in jet planes without giving us an alternative as to how we would re-transform our financial and trading systems
8. Correct: Few can afford to cross the Atlantic in a $6M zero carbon yacht financed by rich people who made their wealth by the very means you condemn as loathsome.
9. True: You are the legatee of a magnificent technological civilization which my generation and the one before it and several others preceding it all the way to the Industrial Revolution and the Renaissance, bequeathed to you.
10. True: It is a civilization that eradicated diseases such as small pox from the word, and that lifted millions out of abject poverty in a universe you think is dying and decaying. It assured you a life expectancy that exceeded that of your ancestors.
11. I agree: The truth, as one anonymous blogger aptly put it, is that your generation is unable to work up to forty hours per week without being chronically depressed and anxious.
12: True: Its members cannot even decide if they want to be a boy or a girl, or both, or neither, or a “they.”
13. True for many: They cannot eat meat without crying.
14. Seems like quite a few: : your generation needs “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” as pre-conditions for learning in school. Its members have a pathological need to be coddled and protected from the challenging realities of life.
15. True: Your generation is the biggest demander and consumer of carbon spewing technological gadgets and devices.
16: On it's way: betrayed you: by capitulating the world of leadership to bored, attention-deficit children who spout bromides, platitudes and slogans that a rudderless and morally relativistic culture accepts because a significant number of its denizens have become intellectually bankrupt and morally lazy.

There are others.
But will call a halt here as the majority on this forum will not wish to discuss anything, including this, unless it is against their President and anyone that does not avidly support their political and biased beliefs.

Lighten up chaps, discuss things, try not to be parochial and bogged down in your close minded mantra.

OK, Boomer.

[Canoeyawl]

"The gravest internal threat to this country is not illegal aliens; it is leftist professors who are waging a war against America and teaching our young people to hate this country."

Jason D. Hill

Whack job extraordinaire

[John Smith]

"The gravest internal threat to this country is not illegal aliens; it is leftist professors who are waging a war against America and teaching our young people to hate this country."

Jason D. Hill

Whack job extraordinaire

Or failing to teach history. Or teaching a history where we are always the ones with the white hats.

[oznabrag]

"The gravest internal threat to this country is not illegal aliens; it is leftist professors who are waging a war against America and teaching our young people to hate this country."

Jason D. Hill

Whack job extraordinaire

I would say that any time young people can be taught to hate the system that has concentrated 50% of the wealth on this planet into the hands of 84 individual Americans, a system that is and has always been ready and willing to rape the biosphere for material gain and continues to disregard the human rights and dignity due the rest of us as a mechanism by which they can enforce their greed through poverty, debt and ignorance, then that is time well spent.

[ron ll]

Thanks John, saved me from having to read it.

[RFNK]

No, as it's written by a sad idiot and makes no sense at all.

Rick

[BrianW]

I like her and her mojo! She's brave and has guts too.

Unfortunately her handlers do her no favors.

I hope she can find happiness in her future and maybe even help the earth.

[skuthorp]

Handlers? from Brian W?
Figures.

Take notice or be overtaken. Not by 'leftists', the left are amongst the most conservative of all political factions.
But by the effects of climate change on all aspects of human and indeed all species life in particular. And by your children and grandchildren as their life prospects decline and they do their best to cope.

I likely won't live to see many the changes, but I am living through many of the events that will precipitate that change. So are you Brian. and RP.

[Rum_Pirate]

.....I likely won't live to see many the changes, but I am living through many of the events that will precipitate that change. So are you Brian. and RP.

I agree with that. Some of that change will not be for the better.

[Canoeyawl]

Handlers? from Brian W?
Figures.


I likely won't live to see many the changes, but I am living through many of the events that will precipitate that change. So are you Brian. and RP.

As I understand it Brian works for a company that puts out fires...

[BrianW]

As I understand it Brian works for a company that puts out fires...

If you don't like those who fight fire, start an organization that lists people who don't want their services, and maybe they can stay away from your homes.

[Steve McMahon]

No.

We need a kid, or someone to yell at us.
We need to use the few remaining fossil fuels to transition away from fossil fuels.
It isn't an either / or situation.

[Paul Pless]

hey rummy, we don’t need no stink’n badges. . .