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  1. #106
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    Default Re: Campion Apple 16 Build

    Congratulations! It's a good feeling when there's no leaks, even though you're sure there wouldn't be any.

  2. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Jeff View Post
    Congratulations! It's a good feeling when there's no leaks, even though you're sure there wouldn't be any.
    Thanks I did check the tanks and bilge a few times, just to be sure...

    Funny thing, but the hardest part was getting the boat back into the garage at home. My garage/shop is from 1935 and is...small. It's two-car, ~17.5' wide inside and the openings are 7'10" wide (with an 8" post between), which is larger than the trailer (if it's even there is about a foot on either side), but I happened to put the boat on the side which doesn't have a straight path down the driveway in front of it, so getting the boat to angle back into it without either hitting the wall, hitting the car (the driveway has a wall too, doh!) or hitting the opening was tricky! And, there is a serious grade up to the garage entrance, so I couldn't just detach it and roll it in by hand (I did eventually just get the wheels of the trailer in, at a bad angle, and detach it and roll it straight by hand). I think I'm going to flip the shop to put the boat on the other side, where there is a straight shot down the driveway, as while I'm sure I'll get better at reversing the trailer, I have a feeling this is always going to be a pain, and possibly not doable without someone spotting.

  3. #108
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    Default Re: Campion Apple 16 Build

    Mount a winch at the back of the garage to pull the trailer in. That will allow you to guide it in slowly and avoid bumps.

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    Congrats on a successful launching and sea trials! Perhaps your concern about fore and aft trim will be alleviated once you have the sailing rig in place?

    Great looking boat, looking forward to your sailing reports!!
    Cheers,
    Dale

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    Been really busy with work and family the last couple month or so, so not a lot of progress. But, I did build both of the yards, as Stuart at Dabbler sails needed them (specifically, putting weight on the attachment point and seeing how much they bend) to finish the sails. That was pretty easy:



    The yards themselves are square, tapered at the ends on three sides and flat against the sail. And, they are quite stiff! I made them laminated out of sitka spruce. I still need to finish them, but am going to wait until I have all the spars.

    Then I started working on the main mast -- unlike all the others, this is going to be hollow, birdsmouth style (and made from Douglas fir, to save money). Ripping the staves took a little while (I did it all on the table saw, pulled slightly out of the garage so the staves wouldn't hit the back wall), but was pretty straightforward:



    Then I made some moulds to hold it once it gets glued (these are the outer dimensions of the mast -- it is straight 90mm up until the top 1.5meters, when it tapers down to 58mm). I spent a while making sure they were level and straight, as I'd like the mast to be!



    I wondered if these should be slightly _bigger_ than the mast, as there are the bumps from the birdsmouth, but Geoff Kerr at OffCenterHarbor said to match them, and he's built a few, so I guess the mast will just sit a bit proud at points.

    Then I did a dry fit, which was a little unwieldy and a tiny bit off (a little too tall and narrow) but overall went okay (enough that I'm not scared of the glue up, and by then I'll have solid parts to go inside the bottom 1metere and the top 200mm, which should also help stabilize and align things):


  6. #111
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    I cut plugs for the mast -- 200mm (plus another ~50mm of taper) at the top and 1000mm (plus 500mm taper) at the bottom -- laminating from sitka to get squares and then using a not-very-good spar gauge to 8 side them, tweaking until they more-or-less fit.

    The larger one, along with all of the staves ready for glue:



    Gluing was... a lot of glue! Definitely the most epoxy I've used at one time -- I mixed 1100g resin plus the appropriate amount of hardener total (400, then 600, and then needed 100 for the plugs). It wasn't actually that hard -- the plugs actually made it easier than when I was dry-fitting it without them, as they prevented the staves from falling into the middle (which seems to be the main problem that can happen).




    The only flaw, really, was that the taper at the top didn't quite work out perfectly, so a few of the staves were a little open. I filled the gap mostly with epoxy, and the plug was glued in with plenty of epoxy, and I'll fill any gaps that remain after I take off the hose clamps. That's the part that's supposed to get painted white anyway, so no harm done!

  7. #112
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    spar making is fun. looking good - hopefully a sail before Labor Day
    you might want to put an extra nut on those chock bolts and then cut the bolts flush so they don't catch anything - fingers, sail etc.

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    Congratulations! Very nice design and very informative thread.
    I am seriously considering the apple as my future dayboat.

    How much epoxy and ply did you finally used?

    I am waiting to see it complete with the sails.

  9. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostdog View Post
    Congratulations! Very nice design and very informative thread.
    I am seriously considering the apple as my future dayboat.

    How much epoxy and ply did you finally used?

    I am waiting to see it complete with the sails.
    It's a really neat design -- the shape that Tom managed to get out of tortured plywood, and yet it still being plain old stitch and glue, still really amazes me.

    For plywood: the boat, as it is (and the hull is finished -- I have some plans to put rear tanks in, rather than the open seats, but that's for the future!), took 6 sheets of plywood, plus a mix of softwood and hardwood for stringers, floors, gunwales, and various supports. If I had a little easier access to plywood (or could have gone back and ordered more initially), I would have ordered 7, as the floors could be done with plywood instead of hardwood, and I could have avoided the (nice for conserving wood, but time consuming) effort of joining together scraps to make the thwarts. Might have had enough to put in rear side tanks as well, which I think is just overall a better design (probably less time consuming than the knees, gives built in floatation / storage).

    In terms of epoxy. I still have a bit left over (maybe a gallon? Maybe more? I have a mix of fast and slow due to working on this all year round in an unheated space), but my orders totaled 6 gallons (that's mixed total), plus, when I was trying to speed things up to get the hull in the water, 14 tubes of system 3 gel magic, which are 6.4oz each pre-thickened -- so maybe another half gallon?

    I do still need to make the foils, which will be glassed, so I may use the remaining epoxy up -- I really don't know! But, ballpark 6-7.5 gallons would probably be enough (and obviously this is based on glassing the outside and putting three coats of epoxy on the inside before paint -- if you skip the glass, it'd probably be less, and if you glass both outside and inside, it'll probably be more!).

    I can't wait to see it on the water too -- but things got slowed down around here and I realized a month or so ago that it wasn't going to happen until the spring here (April at the earliest), so slowed down a bit. I still need to post about flipping the whole boat shop around (which was motivated by more easily getting the trailer in and out, but was an opportunity to rearrange, etc), and shaping the mast and all the other spars.
    Daniel

    Building a Campion Apple 16.

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    Thank you for the detailed materials list. Your love for detail is evident also in the quality of the work you have done.

    My first boat, a Shrike Greenland kayak took me two and a half years to complete so I understand how everyday life can get in the way sometimes.

    Keep up the good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostdog View Post
    Thank you for the detailed materials list. Your love for detail is evident also in the quality of the work you have done.

    My first boat, a Shrike Greenland kayak took me two and a half years to complete so I understand how everyday life can get in the way sometimes.

    Keep up the good work!
    Compared to some of the work I see on this forum, I feel like quite the wood butcher sometimes. But, at least I move quite quickly, I tell myself
    Daniel

    Building a Campion Apple 16.

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    Default Re: Campion Apple 16 Build

    Hello, I'm new to this forum but your thread here helped me decide to build an Apple 16 of my own. I look forward to your next update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamieduff1981 View Post
    Hello, I'm new to this forum but your thread here helped me decide to build an Apple 16 of my own. I look forward to your next update!
    Awesome! I hope you will share your progress on this forum
    Daniel

    Building a Campion Apple 16.

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    It's been a while without an update, but not much progress has happened on the boat.

    I did glue up the booms and mizzenmast (I still need to do the boomkin. Still thinking about making it hollow, so delaying for now...)



    I then shaped those -- the mizzenmast 8 sided then 16 and then round with a sander, and the booms stay box sectioned, but they get tapered on one side towards the ends.

    I also rounded the mast -- that involved taking down the edges of the birdsmouth with a power planer and then finishing it with a sander. It's not _perfectly_ round but it's quite close, and within my tolerances! Here's a photo that shows it in progress:



    Then, I spent a significant amount of time flipping the entire shop around. As I mentioned earlier, getting the boat/trailer in to the garage on the side that it is on in the photos above is surprisingly tricky (I'm sure not to someone who is an expert, but to this trailer novice!), and there is no particular reason why it has to be on that side! So, I spent an entire day, took everything out of the garage:



    Cleaned, rearranged, installed lumber racks, and (days later) Harken hoister's for both canoes to put them above the Apple:



    Since then, I also spent a bit more time organizing the new "shop" side, building benches, a permanent home for the miter saw, etc -- just trying to make it a little less chaotic than it usually is.

    At this point, it's starting to get a bit colder -- though I started this build on Nov 1, so there is still quite a bit of building before it really starts getting unpleasant out there, and I'm hoping to finish the spars and make significant progress on the foils. Ideally, I can plod through these things over the winter (paint/varnish may be the only things impossible to do) and be ready to launch the boat with sails when it gets warm for spring.
    Daniel

    Building a Campion Apple 16.

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    That's looking great Daniel. I'm making plenty mental notes about masts now

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