"Proud" Boys in Portland,Or.

[sonofswen]

Excuse my soft head, but this group has incited multiple riots, using violence and intimidation, yet that are granted a permit to have a "rally."
Yeah, I get the free speech thing, but isn't this more than speech and should they be denied the opportunity to spread hate and fear? O..and a big chunk of our police dept. from Eugene is up in Portland for this "event"...what about my tax dollars? ( ha, thought I would through that in )

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...oud-boys-rally

[S.V. Airlie]

How about tit for tat and include your faithful buddies in this designation Trump.

[Jim Bow]

Proud Boys is an organization with meetings and stickers and uniform clothing and secret hand shakes

Antifa is a state of mind. No leadership, no organization etc.

[sonofswen]

d" Boys in Portland,Or.

Proud Boys is an organization with meetings and stickers and uniform clothing and secret hand shakes

Antifa is a state of mind. No leadership, no organization etc.

A lot more than that..how about knives and guns and spewing hatred all under the guise of being gods servants...

Proud Boys is an organization with meetings and stickers and uniform clothing and secret hand shakes

[Gerarddm]

One has to ask what is the matter with Portland? If the so called Proud Boys tried a rally in Seattle they'd get laughed out of town.

[Paul Pless]

i'm so disappointed that david you go g is sitting this one out
seems highly hypocritical. . .
like bs level hipocrisy

[sonofswen]

One has to ask what is the matter with Portland? If the so called Proud Boys tried a rally in Seattle they'd get laughed out of town.

Perhaps the once great Oregonian newspaper sold and is now a Tabloid, which caters to nut case right-wingers.. might have something to do with it. Or maybe getting from Idaho to Portland is an easy drive down the Columbia on 84.

[C. Ross]

On one side, a far right bro-fascist group that advocates political violence.

On the other, a far left anti-fascist group that advocates political violence.

I’d say bad people on both sides.

But President “fine people on both sides” Trump, tweets:

Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.” Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!

So naturally we get:

Saturday's alt-right rally organizer Joe Biggs said he felt his side had already won because of Trump's tweet."Go look at President Trump's Twitter," Biggs, a former InfoWars staffer, told The Oregonian newspaper. "He talked about Portland, said he's watching Antifa. That's all we wanted. We wanted national attention, and we got it. Mission success."

The President is siding unequivocally with neo-nazis now. He doesn’t even pretend to believe in “both sides” as sickening as that was. It’s now just one side. And they know it and are emboldened by the soft-fascist in the Oval Office.

[sonofswen]

On one side, a far right bro-fascist group that advocates political violence.

On the other, a far left anti-fascist group that advocates political violence.

I’d say bad people on both sides.

But President “fine people on both sides” Trump, tweets:


So naturally we get:



The President is siding unequivocally with neo-nazis now. He doesn’t even pretend to believe in “both sides” as sickening as that was. It’s now just one side. And they know it and are emboldened by the soft-fascist in the Oval Office.

Well, that is pretty much how I see it. Call me paranoid, but I am now..yeah, just now, deciding to get 70% of my life saving out of the stock market. I have had it, and Trump is the main reason...with his policy of chaos on about everything.

[Art Haberland]

it's a giant feedback loop. The Donald got away with say there were good people on both sides and Fox loved it.. Now he attacks Antifa and Fox is adoring him. Hopefully he can not make a decree (executive order) branding them a terrorist organization

[SeanM26]

I bet those bros drink White Claw when they think no one is looking.

[paulf]

i'm so disappointed that david you go g is sitting this one out
seems highly hypocritical. . .
like bs level hipocrisy

He might not be monitoring his forum because of "life" getting in the way, perhaps.

[Jimmy W]

But Sean's bros got to make their march across the bridge.

[David G]

He might not be monitoring his forum because of "life" getting in the way, perhaps.

Got back late last night from the Toledo Wooden Boat Show. A marvelous, fun, delicious, blast. Drank a beer. Helped put together the Coots feast of pulled pork (courtesy of Dirtsailor) and a bunch of fixings Saturday night. Sang my new song for the first time in public. Made some new friends. Met some new boats. Took a couple of boats out for a row. Did I say drank a beer?

Why would I stay in town for a ginned-up fake protest intended only to muddy the waters?


And - while the antifa approach is not my own - I have to disagree with Cris' characterization. --

On one side, a far right bro-fascist group that advocates political violence.

On the other, a far left anti-fascist group that advocates political violence.

I'd say, instead (and, I think, more germanely accurately) --

On one side, a far right bro-fascist group that advocates political violence, and whose main purpose is to provoke an over-reaction from either the police or antifa. They hope to be able to claim they were unfairly treated, and (in a leap of 'logic' endemic to the right) therefore everything they say is 'right' and everything their opponents say is 'wrong' because they didn't play fair.

On the other, a far left anti-fascist group that advocates political violence - if necessary to meet the political violence committed by white supremacists, misogynists, neo-nazis, fascists, and other extremists. They don't start it. They try not to over-react or over-correct. But they do sometimes respond in kind. You won't, for instance, see them escalate a confrontation by driving a car into a crowd of nazis.

As I say - I'm not convinced that antif's deal is the most productive. But I'm dead sure that they are nowhere near as reprehensible - either philosophically or tactically - as the fascists.

It's WAY too easy to fall into the False Equvalence trap.

[John of Phoenix]

The President is siding unequivocally with neo-nazis now. He doesn’t even pretend to believe in “both sides” as sickening as that was. It’s now just one side. And they know it and are emboldened by the soft-fascist in the Oval Office.

Has anyone seen this "Rick Steves - The Story of Fascism in Europe".

https://www.pbs.org/video/the-story-...europe-pthanf/

There's a formula to fascism that has been followed for centuries. It'll get you thinking, "Not only COULD it happen again, it IS happening again."

[bobbys]

Antifa, the lefts masked Jack boot thugs that are doing the dirty work for .tolerant...libs..

Thus they can sit back smugly and talk love and peace while people are beat up in portland..

The last Democrats to wear masks were the KKK.

[Old Dryfoot]

It stinks of troll in here.

[S.V. Airlie]

Antifa, the lefts masked Jack boot thugs that are doing the dirty work for .tolerant...libs..

Thus they can sit back smugly and talk love and peace while people are beat up in portland..

The last Democrats to wear masks were the KKK.

How in heck have you survived for 66 yrs as ignorant as you appear to come across bobbys?

[Old Dryfoot]

Jamie, please, don't feed the troll.

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

[Art Haberland]

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019...mmigrants.html

[SeanM26]

Wants to be macho.

Calls themselves 'boys'.

[S.V. Airlie]

Jamie, please, don't feed the troll.

Looking at all the posts, I'm far from being the only one. Look at today, maybe a total of 4 posts total.

[sonofswen]

the protests remained largely peaceful and the bulk of the alt-right demonstrators were escorted out of the area police had cordoned off for them following a brief event.
the president did not warn or criticize the controversial right-wing group organizing the rally that antifa was planning to protest against. Organizers Joe Biggs and Enrique Tarrio, who did not receive a permit for the rally, are members of the Proud Boys, a group of self-proclaimed “Western chauvinists” with links to the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville in 2017 and a history of violence against left-wing activists. The Southern Poverty Law Center has designated them as a hate group.

[Jimmy W]

Bs is gonna promote the fascists every chance that he gets.

[David G]

Another take from someone who knew Hans Linde --

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ted&yptr=yahoo


Perhaps the most important legacy of the Linde years were his opinions interpreting Oregon’s free-speech guarantee much more broadly than the federal First Amendment. That protection has helped preserve Oregon’s wide-open democratic culture, where ideas from the Neanderthal to the utopian can contend, and where human experience comes in many shades.

That very culture, I suspect, is what has drawn out-of-state fascist leaders to focus on Portland. From years of study—and personal experience—I know about Oregon’s dark racist past and the shadow it casts over the state today. Nonetheless, in recent years, leaders here have worked to create an inclusive culture—one that the fascists would like to discredit, stigmatize, and eventually destroy. Since the Saturday demonstration, the Proud Boys have announced that they will be back every month until the City suppresses the antifa movement, whom they call “domestic terrorists.”

The impudence is striking. The Proud Boys are threatening violence to achieve political change. That is the textbook definition of terrorism. Moreover, even before Charlottesville, domestic terrorism had emerged as a danger from the right—that is, from the very people now demanding that the government crush their enemies so that they can own the streets. Consider a very partial list of horrendous crimes motivated by right-wing racism, misogyny, and anti-Semitism: a mass killing at an African American church in Charleston, South Carolina; pipe bombs sent to public figures who oppose Donald Trump; a massacre at a Pittsburgh synagogue; and 20 people—mostly Latino—gunned down at an El Paso Walmart.

Read: The lost boys

Meanwhile, some antifa protesters have worn masks or armor, or have shouted down speakers; some beat up the conservative journalist Andy Ngo at a demonstration earlier this year; some have thrown milkshakes, and some have threatened violence or physically fought at right-wing rallies. But the number of mass shootings committed by people identified with antifa is zero, and so is the number of lives taken.

The demonstrators that trapped my family in the museum were there to disrupt the politics of a city they have no stake in. Many, if not most, of the counterprotesters were there to defend their hometown. Most of them were nonviolent and came to oppose violence.

Having lived in the Northwest for many years, I am familiar with left-wing forces that use violent tactics. Violence is self-defeating and morally wrong, and I want no part of it or them. But there is simply no equivalence here.

Although no major political figure has embraced antifa activism, the Republican Party has begun to embrace the Proud Boys. Last fall, the Metropolitan Republican Club invited a Proud Boys leader to speak at a club event. (After the event, two Proud Boys beat four protesters so badly that a jury on Monday convicted two of them on charges of assault and riot.) The Republican activist Roger Stone has said he was initiated as a Proud Boy, and Proud Boys appeared at a federal courthouse when he turned himself in on charges brought by former Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Stone and the Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson posed in the Fox greenroom with two Proud Boys accompanying Stone.

This summer, Republican Senators Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy are sponsoring a resolution that would designate antifa as a “domestic terrorist group.” No mention of the Proud Boys or any of the other neofascist groups who feel empowered by the ascent of Trump......