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    Default Good luck Katherine.

    Glad that I never had to work at a place where I was treated like that.

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    Thumbs up Re: Good luck Katherine.

    Not sure what's goin on but I got you a new cup, Kat.
    Hang in there.


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    I read the Facebook post, Kat. What a heartless thing to do to someone who's not yet even recovered from surgery. The decent thing to do would have been to send you back home for more recuperation.

    Bastards.

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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    In my thoughts, Kat.
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    What happened?
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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    Obviously, I, too, missed something - I don't Facebook, so will just send positive thoughts here and wait for update . . .

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    Yes, very bad form on their part. What a wanker move. I’ve somehow been lucky to avoid the corporate world most of my working life.

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    I gulped as I knocked at the door. I could see my manager and then HR rep at the table. I said a silent prayer for strength and for the ability to act as a professional for what ever happened. My manager waved me into the conference room and I seated myself across the table from them. I opened my notebook, and preprepared to write, like all good little engineers do.


    “ We have reviewed your performance. You do not meet the level of performances of a mid level professional. That being the case we are choosing to terminate the relationship, effective immediately”


    I looked at my manager. He stared beck. I looked on unblinkingly.


    “What do you need from your desk? You will not be allowed to return to it. Your purse? Your roll behind?”


    I gave my affirmation that they were both there. All the while I was thinking, this is the last thing my manager has to do be for he goes skipping off to vacation and can he please bring back my half eaten breakfast and double gulp cup of Mountain Dew, that were at my desk as well.


    He leaves and I am left with the HR rep. She tries to explain the separation agreement and the pile of paperwork in front of her. All I can thing is that she is a heartless schill for the company. Perspective is everything.


    I am told that I need to turn over my key to my offsite office and that when my manager returns with my things, I will be escorted out by plainclothes security.


    I say little, and take the paperwork from the HR rep. I refuse to cry, forcing myself to act as a professional, telling myself that I will respond after speaking to legal counsel. I want to scream at the unfairness of it all. While I am waiting on my manager, I ask her why only to be told that it was my performance on the early part of my PIP, that made them decide. I just nodded my head, all the while thinking, you mean the time I was in and out of the hospital, repeatedly, from kidney infections caused by a congenital birth defect? I was being fired for something I had no control over.


    I stood and exited the room only to be confronted by two security personnel clothed in gray security shirts and Khaki pants. I am not sure how plainclothes that was, but what ever. My manager had my computer. I was glad I had downloaded my documents the day before. I struggled to get the key to my offsite office off my key ring, but it eventually came. I collected my purse, computer bag, and headed towards the parking lot. Security was right behind me.


    I wanted to react, to act out, too pitch a fit, but I was professional. We got to the outside turnstiles. The female guard asked me for my badge. I gave it to her. She badged me out. My computer bag got caught in the turnstile. She had to help me get it unstuck then I was gone. I quickly made my way to my car, fighting tears of anger and humiliation. Once I got to the car, I quickly called my mother, with the tears falling freely.


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    I may take all this down. It’s not insulting, but who knows.
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    Good luck to you and "Força" as a Portuguese person would wish you!
    fair winds, Dody
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    Just damn, and I think you may be right about taking this down if you are seeking legal help.
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    JEEZ Kat what Bastids!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine View Post
    I may take all this down. It’s not insulting, but who knows.
    I am so sorry Kat about this. I know it hurts. Truthfully it is a blessing. They finally did you a favor by releasing you. It wasn’t for you to go any further with them and all parties know it. Now they have helped put you on a path of another wonderful fulfilling journey.

    Take this thread down. Cry all weekend. Go for a ride and get fresh air. Get that husband of yours to take you out for a favorite dinner and follow it with great ice cream. Think about working on a full medical recovery which was part of this separation. Talk to Paul about going to Europe, refresh your relationship and play. Make a vision board of what is your next. Breathe. Crank up the music and dance.

    I want to be the first to congratulate you on your new life where life balance and happiness rein.
    Last edited by Ted Hoppe; 08-17-2019 at 09:05 AM.

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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    This ^^^^^^^

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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    Unless your attorney says take it down, I think it's fine to share in the ways you have here and on FaceBook. Just remain careful not to argue your case outside of any legal process to which you may have available. Sharing your feelings and reactions is fine.

    I get the idea that you're not protected by a union and they probably have as close to an at-will contract as they could get. Because they gave something of a reason, your attorney may have something to work with.

    Looking forward, how closed is your field. Once you've fully recovered your health and gotten past the trauma of this firing, does the firing put you at a serious professional disadvantage?

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    Jerks. So sorry. So many look back on this type thing and say it was the best thing that ever happened to them. Hope that turns out to be true for you as well. Daily handwritten journal demonstrably reduces transition time.

    And yes, delete this thread.

    All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    Unless your attorney says take it down, I think it's fine to share in the ways you have here and on FaceBook. Just remain careful not to argue your case outside of any legal process to which you may have available. Sharing your feelings and reactions is fine.

    I get the idea that you're not protected by a union and they probably have as close to an at-will contract as they could get. Because they gave something of a reason, your attorney may have something to work with.

    Looking forward, how closed is your field. Once you've fully recovered your health and gotten past the trauma of this firing, does the firing put you at a serious professional disadvantage?
    I completely disagree. Take down this thread. Do yourself a favor and move on. You will understand in the days, weeks and months to come.

    Sure you can think about talking to an attorney but really it will not be worth the crap you will have to face. In law suits, really the only winners are attorneys. It is not about the money for you. Consider your health, your relationships and how much time you want to rehash this bullish!t. Far better to heed my first post. It would be the same advice I would give my wife or best friend.

    It is a time of a few tears and more celebration. You have a full month of summer to enjoy with everyone saying nothing but love. F the old job and embrace the new you!

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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    Ted is absolutely right that moving on is important and if the thread makes you wallow unproductively, dump it. If sharing and our reactions help you process and move on, then keep it up. There's not one always right answer. My point is that I don't see that the way you have shared does you any legal harm by what you've shared here.

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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    Katherine - Ted, Ian, and Tom are offering you some priceless information here .. As a veteran of 32+ years of the corporate wars, and downsizing, right sizing (call it what you will ) , I will echo what they say : take some time for YOU - spend some quality time with your horse ( they are great listeners / keepers of secrets )



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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    Restore your health, build up strength, never give up and think forward. Somehow it will resolve in something good.

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    Default Re: Good luck Katherine.

    The less a person says on social media the less there is to come back and bite them. Take that for what it is worth.
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    Kat,

    Your description of the manner of your termination was fine... nothing prejudicial, just an objective description of the process. I don't think there's anything to worry about, in that regard. FCA's termination process sounds like a very common one, across all industries; they look to minimize anything extreme or emotional, and your behavior was exemplary.

    Of course, that doesn't diminish the 'hurt' which comes, any time a person is terminated from their job... and there will always be a tendency to feel remorse, humiliation, deprecation, and so on....

    So, after a good cry and a few days of depression and anger (which you are totally entitled to), you can take stock of your situation, and consider what you'll do now... don't rush to look for a new job, but take your time and consider what you'd like to do. I guarantee you'll feel better in a week or two.

    I was only fired once... back in my college days. I took a 'co-op' job with a recording studio in Boston, because at the time, I thought I wanted to be a recording studio engineer. Despite the description, the job was basically a janitorial position; cleaning up the spilled beer bottles and marijuana joints stubbed out in the carpet, by the obnoxious 'artists' spending all night working on their albums. I was fired for not being a good janitor.

    It was the best thing that ever happened to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine View Post
    I ask her why only to be told that it was my performance on the early part of my PIP, that made them decide. I just nodded my head, all the while thinking, you mean the time I was in and out of the hospital, repeatedly, from kidney infections caused by a congenital birth defect?
    See if your condition can be classified as a disability and whether any disability discrimination in the workplace laws exist as they do in the UK.
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    FCA. Now I know what cars are not in my future (actually neither are Fords)
    This sucks but you will recover.

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    I assume you have regular performance reviews? Take them to your lawyer and sue the b@stards.

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    You were blind sided? Had no idea this was brewing?

    Indeed, I would record everything very accurately for your Lawyer. Get medical records to substantiate your congenital defect. I would also look at the Engineering culture and process there, may be helpful info there.

    Then get an aggressive, Pit Bull mentality Lawyer with a legal track record against this company, if you have a case a Lawyer like that will get you a retirement like you never imagined! Good Luck Kat.

    To Add:
    As an engineer, being told there is limited work and they are downsizing is one thing. Being told my performance is not at the level they believe to be "mid Level", When they are just cutting you because you have Medical issues is something else.
    I wouldn't be able to just roll over on that. Do what is best for you and take all advice from a forum with a healthy dose of salt.
    Last edited by paulf; 08-17-2019 at 12:00 PM.
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    corporate wogs

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    I really hate it when people say, "They did you a favor." or "It's a blessing." It sure as hell is NOT!
    Working in manufacturing in the Chicago area since 1973, I've been through several of these meetings. I've never been told it was due to my performance, though - that is lower than low.
    For me, it left me scrambling for something - anything else to provide for my family. Sometimes it worked out okay, but often... not so well.

    I wish you the best of luck, Katherine. I was once let go while recovering from surgery, but at least I was given a substantial severance package, and an apology from the owner.
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    Sorry to hear that.
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    What Nick said!
    I know that your country doesn't have much in the way of laws protecting an employee...... sadly...... but I think you should try to find out whether there is anything you can do legally without costing yourself an arm and a leg.
    If that had happened here in Finland and you had been a union member the boss would have put herself deep in trouble....... and firing you would have costed the company way more than it tasted.

    It is a part of the ideology of many modern managers to always get rid of employees who don't fit in be it their own fault or not. Once the weeding out has been going on for a while the criteria tend to become stricter and stricter and in a while there will be only a few employees left who is able to fit the criterias. Then the manager starts to whine about labour shortages all while those few who are quailified and aren't fired yet overwork themselves and are forced to quit or die all while the labour force is restocked with young incompetent upper class children who are as productive as Soviet politruks all while keeping up a fake perfect facade that the manager likes.
    I have seen it happen several times.
    A symptom of shortsighted and narrowminded and utterly greedy management....... which is very trendy at the moment all over the western world.

    When I was fired on unfair reasons (I had refused to bribe the boss with two weeks pay in cash and had refused to work overtime without pay and refused to hand in my own tools to the boss for the use of the company) I went to court to put things right.

    Crying and moving on into eternal unemployment without blaming the manager is what they want us to do........ so I think you did the right thing. You spread a very factual and level headed account of what had happened so other people can see what the manager did.
    Now take some rest and let things sink in..... then start looking at the legal side of it and for a new job with a more sensible manager.

    Good luck!
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    This really sucks. Corporate America has no soul, no conscience. My brother was let go in a similiar fashion years ago.
    As for Kat deleting this thread, she can't since she didn't start it. I beleive she was referring to deleting her post#8. I say keep that post up. Nothing wrong with it, you were very professional.
    Take some time for the sting to subside and know that there are a lot of people cheering for you.
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    Sounds like a case of "what have you done for me lately?" Effin' jerks!
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    There is the story abouy the Zen farmer; to wit, what at first seemed to be a misfortune ( his son was thrown off the horse and broke his arm and can't help with the harvest ) became a blessing ( when the emperor's men came for draftees for a hopeless war, his son was ineligible due to his broken arm ). Etc.

    I've been fired. It's always unfun, although the last time I simply and literally laughed in their face and said, sure, I'm out of here in 10 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Z View Post
    I really hate it when people say, "They did you a favor." or "It's a blessing." It sure as hell is NOT!
    Working in manufacturing in the Chicago area since 1973, I've been through several of these meetings. I've never been told it was due to my performance, though - that is lower than low.
    For me, it left me scrambling for something - anything else to provide for my family. Sometimes it worked out okay, but often... not so well.
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    This is about where I am at. Between the medical bills and now this, I am not sure what to do.
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