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    Default Just heard that Epstein offed himself

    Only question in my mind is whether he's a more egregious POS than Trump, or merely comparable.

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    Suicide watch, ...people watching him suicide.
    How Convenient.
    More weight on Assange to stay alive now.
    The question should be HOW DID THIS HAPPEN ?

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    Default Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

    I guess "suicide watch" means they just watch him commit suicide?
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    Default Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

    There will be conspiracy theories about who killed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    There will be conspiracy theories about who killed him.
    Boy Howdy.

    And there should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    What are your thoughts? Do you not find it hard to believe he simply offed himself?
    Chances are that he simply hung himself. Couldn't face life in prison. The big question: How did this happen if he was on suicide watch? I believe that suicide watch means a prisoner is checked every 15 minutes or so. If these checks aren't random, it's easy for the guy to off himself right after the last check. 15 minutes is plenty of time to tie a knot and hang yourself if you are really committed.
    You would think that a video camera would be on him at all times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Chances are that he simply hung himself. Couldn't face life in prison. The big question: How did this happen if he was on suicide watch? I believe that suicide watch means a prisoner is checked every 15 minutes or so. If these checks aren't random, it's easy for the guy to off himself right after the last check. 15 minutes is plenty of time to tie a knot and hang yourself if you are really committed.
    You would think that a video camera would be on him at all times.
    Heads will roll.
    I always thought that suicide watched also precluded anything that could be tied into a knot. Silly me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    I always thought that suicide watched also precluded anything that could be tied into a knot. Silly me.
    I thought that, too. We live and learn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    I always thought that suicide watched also precluded anything that could be tied into a knot. Silly me.
    Unless you take his clothes, he will have something to knot up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    Unless you take his clothes, he will have something to knot up.
    There are "safe" clothes so designed that they're unable to be used for any kind of self harm, generally used for people judged to be high risk of suicide. If he was on suicide watch, he should have been in those, and in a safe room.

    I'm wondering if some bulldog of a prosecutor will be investigating this to see where the threads of implication lead or if its just going to be quietly let fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john welsford View Post
    There are "safe" clothes so designed that they're unable to be used for any kind of self harm, generally used for people judged to be high risk of suicide. If he was on suicide watch, he should have been in those, and in a safe room.

    I'm wondering if some bulldog of a prosecutor will be investigating this to see where the threads of implication lead or if its just going to be quietly let fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    There is too many very powerful lives at stake to not consider a less simple explanation. We've seen, in broad daylight, the manipulation of the legal system in the form of Barr for Trump. That kind of injustice in broad daylight has more than shown me that the powerful live far out of reach of laws. They operate without fear of real prosecution. I wholeheartedly admit to my hard idealism most of my life. I always knew there were evil people, and I even knew that many never end up paying for their crimes, but I never imagined the magnitude at which this occurred.
    Could just as easily be a single individual acting out of loyalty.
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    Let's see: On 8/02 in response to the initial Epstein thread (A Million Pages) I posted "Who wants to bet on the odds for Epstein surviving long enough for trial?" so here we are... This thing really smells. My wife is a high powered psychologist and over 40+ years has seen many, many really bad things and heard about many. In her experience she says that the odds for narcissistic personality types killing themselves is VERY low. There are just way too many rich and powerful who, on hearing today's news about Epstein, are very, very relieved. JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCaird View Post
    Let's see: On 8/02 in response to the initial Epstein thread (A Million Pages) I posted "Who wants to bet on the odds for Epstein surviving long enough for trial?" so here we are... This thing really smells. My wife is a high powered psychologist and over 40+ years has seen many, many really bad things and heard about many. In her experience she says that the odds for narcissistic personality types killing themselves is VERY low. There are just way too many rich and powerful who, on hearing today's news about Epstein, are very, very relieved. JC
    I remember that, I can't find the thread and what my response was.

    Being denied bail may have been an issue in his thinking if he did indeed commit suicide.

    But yeah, given the evidence that he would have against the rich and powerful, this stinks. Just yesterday I thought, there was a story about a woman alleging she was slaved out by Epstein to Bill Richardson and Bill Mitchell, her story had some sketchiness to it but on the other hand you would not expect a young girl to remember all details from years ago. If true, high-up people.

    There better be video and review, at least of access to his cell. He could also have been encouraged to commit suicide.

    With him dead, it solves so much for a lot of potential accused, I'm sure he didn't keep a written record of things.
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    Default Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

    How very convenient for...

    ... just how many people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    How very convenient for...

    ... just how many people?
    Including Royalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf View Post
    Including Royalty.
    Yes...

    (For the record, Epstein was offed by MI6... )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Yes...

    (For the record, Epstein was offed by MI6... )
    Not entirely implausible. But I suppose we'll never know, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Yes...

    (For the record, Epstein was offed by MI6... )
    There were most likely several "organizations" from various countries in line to off him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Yes...

    (For the record, Epstein was offed by MI6... )
    this was mentioned earlier in the thread with a link but the Guardian has some good articles on the release of documents pertaining to the lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell, media Tycoon Robert Maxwell's daughter.

    Jeffrey Epstein: large tranche of files released in Ghislaine Maxwell lawsuit | US news | The Guardian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Yes...

    (For the record, Epstein was offed by MI6... )
    Better explain that it's Emm Eye Six Andrew. MI6 sounds like an assault rifle- the right will be confused JayInOz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Yes...

    (For the record, Epstein was offed by MI6... )
    Epsteinīs apparent suicide sounds unconvincing, considering that only two weeks ago he was caught out after a similar (botched) attempt, following which his jailors were instructed to watch keenly over him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carioca1232001 View Post
    Epsteinīs apparent suicide sounds unconvincing, considering that only two weeks ago he was caught out after a similar (botched) attempt, following which his jailors were instructed to watch keenly over him.
    Apply Occam's razor. The simplest solution is usually correct. Incompetence or conspiracy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Apply Occam's razor. The simplest solution is usually correct. Incompetence or conspiracy?
    Genuinely incompetent or maliciously so ? A difficult one to answer

    Having Epstein facing his detractors in court had the potential of triggering a tremor of gigantic proportions, given the chums present at his doos

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    Perhaps it’ll be the Murder on the Orient Express version: they all did it.

    Seriously, McMike, I don’t know how many prisoners in that jail are able to hang themselves. The report says his injuries appear to be self-inflicted. I’m not a doctor so I’m not sure how distinguishing marks are from someone trying to hang themselves versus someone garroted or strangled.

    But it seems to me the guy had every reason to off himself, and hundreds of people wished him dead. I’d be surprised if there weren't surveillance cameras to help sort it out. My guess is that extraordinary caution was not taken because enough people wanted to see him die, and nature conveniently took its course.
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    A lot of these sort of people got where they did by taking the "easy way" rather than doing the right things in life. To have a scumball like him off himself isn't unusual... it's the easy way out, rather than facing up to what he did.
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    Surveillance cameras ? well, that would make sense, so fuggetaboutit. There will be no camera, no tape, no feed, no witness.
    Hundreds wanted him dead ? no, hundreds of thousands wanted him alive. ...for trial.

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    Has the right started blaming the Clintons yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    Has the right started blaming the Clintons yet?
    It's got Hillary written all over it. 😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmanuals View Post
    Has the right started blaming the Clintons yet?

    And... right on cue... we have post #36 from Fonzoga...
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    And... right on cue... we have post #36 from Fonzoga...
    So now I'm "the right" because I post something about the Clintons shady dealings? You guys really crack me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    And... right on cue... we have post #36 from Fonzoga...
    Quote Originally Posted by Fonzoga View Post
    So now I'm "the right" because I post something about the Clintons shady dealings? You guys really crack me up.
    ???I said you were 'the right'????
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    ???I said you were 'the right'????
    You quoted ccmichaels who said "has the right started blaming Clinton yet?" Seems to me there's every bit as good a chance the Clintons had a hand in this as Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fonzoga View Post
    You quoted ccmichaels who said "has the right started blaming Clinton yet?" Seems to me there's every bit as good a chance the Clintons had a hand in this as Trump.
    Gotcha. OK... one degree of separation... but ok. I wasn't focused - in my response - so much on the 'right' as I was on the 'Clinton'.

    But you think the Clinton machine is just as likely to have been the instigator as the Trump machine? And you're serious?

    And - just to be clear, since you make a point of it - ARE you from the right? Left? Center? Agnostic? Anarchist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Gotcha. OK... one degree of separation... but ok. I wasn't focused - in my response - so much on the 'right' as I was on the 'Clinton'.

    But you think the Clinton machine is just as likely to have been the instigator as the Trump machine? And you're serious?

    And - just to be clear, since you make a point of it - ARE you from the right? Left? Center? Agnostic? Anarchist?
    Fonzoga - you seem to have missed the above post.
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