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    Default it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more common

    Sez Accuweather founder and CEO at https://www.accuweather.com/en/weath...-hype/70008963: "there is no evidence so far that extreme heat waves are becoming more common because of climate change"

    26 of the 50 states set their all-time high temperature records during the 1930s that still stand (some have since been tied). And an additional 11 state all-time high temperature records were set before 1930 and only two states have all-time record high temperatures that were set in the 21st century (South Dakota and South Carolina).

    So 37 of the 50 states have an all-time high temperature record not exceeded for more than 75 years. Given these numbers and the decreased frequency of days of 100 degrees or higher, it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more common today.
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    Are you suggesting the climate is not changing? Because if you are, you must be a genius to contradict 99% of scientists.
    Until it gets really bad, I suspect heatwaves are a irrelevant measure of climate change. I suspect you suspect it too.
    From a link within the link you posted:
    “With July 2019 in the books, a team of European climate researchers has revealed its findings about the temperatures across the globe and how it compares to some of the hottest months on record.
    According to an analysis conducted by Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S), based out of Europe, July 2019 ranked as the hottest month in recorded history.
    “The global average temperature for July 2019 was on a par with, and possibly marginally higher than, that of July 2016, which followed an El Niño event. This was previously the warmest July and warmest month of all on record,” C3S stated in a press release.
    This follows the hottest June in 140 years of recordkeeping with with global temperatures averaging 1.71 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th century average.”

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/new-data-reveals-just-how-hot-it-was-across-the-globe-in-july/70009006
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    Default Re: it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more co

    Fake science...
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    The US must be on a different planet then because the rest of the planet is breaking temperature records on a regular basis.
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    AccuWeather my arse. More corporate RW disinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudderless View Post
    "there is no evidence so far that extreme heat waves are becoming more common because of climate change"
    Even nutcases think people who deny climate change are nutcases.
    The time for that line, if there ever was a time, is gone.
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    Default Re: it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more co

    Myers faced criticism in 2005 when he supported the National Weather Service Duties Act of 2005, a bill introduced by U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) that would have prohibited the National Weather Service from publishing weather data to the public when private-sector entities, such as AccuWeather, perform the same function commercially. Myers has been a long-time large donor to the Republican Party, its candidates, and to Santorum, his home-state Senator.

    He is just following the party doctrine.

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    C'mon. You don't have to be a climate scientist to understand that "localized heat wave frequency" is not a proxy for "average global temperature rise". In any system it's entirely possible for the average temperature to go up without exceeding some arbitrary local max temperature threshold. I can prove that and I'm not a scientist, physicist, or otherwise remotely qualified to have an opinion on the subject (much, I suspect, like everyone else posting about climate change on a forum of wooden boat enthusiasts).

    1. Take your ordinary household oven. Measure the temperature at regular intervals over say a 24-hour period without turning it on. It's gonna average out to about room temp of course.

    2. Now do the same thing again but at one point preheat the oven to 400 degrees and then let it cool off. Average temp is going to go up a bit. Max temp is going to go up a LOT. There's your extreme record setting heat wave from the 1930s.

    3. Now do the same thing yet again but instead of turning it up to 400 degrees, just turn it up to 200 and let it cool off again once per hour. Max temp in your measurement history is still going the be the record 400 degrees - you haven't exceeded it. None of the heat cycles are "extreme". But your average temperature will be higher and you will have introduced far more heat energy into the system than you did through the "extreme" 400 degree heat wave.

    Now this is a naive illustration. I'm sure a real climate scientist would poke all sorts of holes in it. I'm just using it to illustrate that by itself the statement "there is no evidence so far that extreme heat waves are becoming more common" is utterly meaningless in the context of climate change. It does not necessarily follow that an increase in average temperature would also lead to an increase in the frequency of extreme temperatures.

    This is what comes from getting your climate science from a weather app. Climate ain't weather no matter how much papa Trump tries to tell you it is.

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    Rudderless; your by-line – Liberalism is actually conservatism. Only in the good ol’ USA do you call progressives liberals.

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    Gypsie, If our recent wild plunge off the narrow road of sanity into the wilderness of the tin-hat crazies has revealed anything about US politics it's that we have never had a conscientious conservative ideology in this country. We have had a very, very few honest voices of conservative principles that have served over the years as a fig leaf for the rabid mob. The mob has now grown to realize that they do not need to hide behind the fig leaf any longer and those honest voices have been left twisting in the wind, with no following, no political power and no purpose. We now have only a centrist faction that is painted as "extreme left" by the mob for the purpose (ironically) of exerting control over "property, trade, work, amusements, education, and religion". Russell Kirk can eat my shorts.

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    Also this thread needs a boat.


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    Default Re: it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more co

    Flat earthers confusing weather with climate again.

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    Actually, the OP was, implicitly, differentiating weather, heat waves, from climate. Mr. Stevens provided a nice example

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    Lovely Boat.
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    Mother Nature doesn't care who you voted for.

    She's going to kill you either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Mother Nature doesn't care who you voted for.

    She's going to kill you either way.
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    It cannot be (truthfully) said that homo earns the 'sapiens' part of his name. Examples abound, however, demonstrating its absence.

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    This AccuWeather wad, this is the same wad that wants to run NOAA for his own personal profit, yes?
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    Weather reporters are not climate scientists, though they have shown an historical tendency to denialism. Also, the peer-reviewed scientific literature suggests that increased extreme weather is linked to climate change: https://skepticalscience.com/extreme...termediate.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Weather reporters are not climate scientists, though they have shown an historical tendency to denialism.
    Yes, and those grasping for straws to cling to in their efforts to bring SOME evidence to their own denial... will listen to them. <sigh>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durnik View Post
    It cannot be (truthfully) said that homo earns the 'sapiens' part of his name. Examples abound, however, demonstrating its absence.
    I favour Pan narrans, the storytelling chimpanzee.
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    I'll just point out that this is yet another ring and run thread from a climate science denier. No response from the OP? Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    I'll just point out that this is yet another ring and run thread from a climate science denier. No response from the OP? Pathetic.
    Yes... one has to wonder...

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    Default Re: it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more co

    The frequency or magnitude of heatwaves is more common.

    There you are- it CAN be said! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    I'll just point out that this is yet another ring and run thread from a climate science denier. No response from the OP? Pathetic.

    In fairness maybe he just can't make it back to this thread ..... after all he appears to be "rudderless".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    I favour Pan narrans, the storytelling chimpanzee.
    Oooooh, I like that! (By all rights we should be in Pan anyway.)

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    ^ Aye, _Much_ better, Nick!



    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    The frequency or magnitude of heatwaves is more common.

    There you are- it CAN be said! :-)
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    The melting glaciers say he is wrong.
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    Out of the Pan, into the fire?

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    Re: melting glaciers, mother nature, etc. That's really the point isn't it? We can argue the models and the math and the politics until we are floating on a small tuft of grass amidst a vast sea but ultimately all the academic stuff is, well, academic I guess. What's going to happen will happen. Is already happening in fact. We might succeed in limiting the climate effects. I very much doubt it though. Nothing in our very brief existence on this planet indicates that we are capable of that level of action as a species. I suspect we will have to become Pan Oceanus at some point in the not very distant future if we are going to survive at all.

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    The world is busy electing do nothing positive governments so it doesn’t take a climate scientist to know we are stuffed.
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