Losing friends in divisive times.

[Decourcy]

What are you saying?
It's too hard so don't do it?

You have a babel fish with a sense of humour in your ear.

[gypsie]

Would a prohibition against guns work better than drugs, alcohol, prostitution, or immigration?

Let's ban guns and then send armed government agents to seize them.

Who is asking for a prohibition on guns?
Why do you underestimate the ability of the American people to manage the problem over time?

Is your argument that everything is as good as it can be? Don't change anything?

Is anyone who is pro-gun prepared to say that automatic weapons in the hands of the public, on balance, is having a negative effect?

[BrianW]

If a friend 'unfriended me' over gun control, I'd simply assume they were never really a good friend.

[gypsie]

You have a babel fish with a sense of humour in your ear.

Still saying nothing?
Just here for a wind up?

[Decourcy]

Still saying nothing?
Just here for a wind up?

Really?

[David G]

If a friend 'unfriended me' over gun control, I'd simply assume they were never really a good friend.

I'm not much of a gun nut. And not much of a gun-control nut. I still have my second deer rifle. One of my nieces has the first. I'm comfortable with guns, and don't view them as the inherent evil that some do. But I'm probably more interested in what I'd call 'reasonable' gun-control measures than you are.

But I'd NEVER unfriend you over such an issue. I REMEMBER that time you bought me a beer. You think there's ANY chance you're getting rid of me now???? <G>

[SeanM26]

Who is asking for a prohibition on guns?
Why do you underestimate the ability of the American people to manage the problem over time?

Is your argument that everything is as good as it can be? Don't change anything?

Is anyone who is pro-gun prepared to say that automatic weapons in the hands of the public, on balance, is having a negative effect?

I'll be your Huckleberry.

All gun control is unconstitutional. The founding fathers wanted the citizens to have access to the same armament the government does.

Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934.

An armed society is a polite society.

[gypsie]

I am not being ridiculous. It is the only way to get the guns away from millions of Americans.

Quite possibly if your time scale is next week.
With a longer time scale, drastic invasions won't be necessary.

You'll also be shocked at how many Americans are law abiding people. Many will simply hand them over.

[LeeG]

Just stop selling ammunition, period. If someone can prove that they actually need it then they can take the safety course and get very well vetted before getting a one time permit to purchase a limited amount.

Let them bear all of the arms they want, nothing says they have the right to purchase ammunition.

I don't see any other way

That makes too much sense.

[BrianW]

That makes too much sense.

Wouldn't hold up in any court...

arms
noun

• 1.
  weapons and ammunition; armaments.
  
  

  synonyms:

  weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel"arms and ammunition"

[gypsie]

I'll be your Huckleberry.

All gun control is unconstitutional. The founding fathers wanted the citizens to have access to the same armament the government does.

Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934.

An armed society is a polite society.

Constitutions can be changed. They are only tools.
The Founding Fathers were clearly wrong.
Polite - from where I sit the USA looks anything but polite - you guys are ripping into each other over helping sick people for Gods sake.

Man that last line is scarey, I hope it was a joke.

[SeanM26]

Quite possibly if your time scale is next week.
With a longer time scale, drastic invasions won't be necessary.

You'll also be shocked at how many Americans are law abiding people. Many will simply hand them over.

I believe it will be the exact opposite. They just made bump-stocks illegal in a nationwide federal ban. Out of many tens of thousands purchased, only a few thousand have been turned in.

Also, I can make one with a 2x4 and nail.

[gypsie]

I believe it will be the exact opposite. They just made bump-stocks illegal in a nationwide federal ban. Out of many tens of thousands purchased, only a few thousand have been turned in.

Also, I can make one with a 2x4 and nail.

Can you tell me SeanM26, do you think it is a reasonable position to say 'America should do nothing on guns'?

[Decourcy]

11 incidents of shooting with 16 people shot over 2 days.

Sound like a typical american weekend? Yes, except it was Toronto. Toronto. In Canada. A country with fairly strict gun controls, certainly stronger than anything proposed in the US. American gun culture has begun to creep across the border.


243 shootings to July 28th of this year in the city of Toronto.

[BrianW]

But I'd NEVER unfriend you over such an issue. I REMEMBER that time you bought me a beer. You think there's ANY chance you're getting rid of me now???? <G>

Right! Such is the power of an EBS!

Not just guns either, but any of the hot ticket issues today. Except maybe pineapple on pizza.

[Jimmy W]

Let's ban guns and then send armed government agents to seize them.

I dont see any problems with that.

I imagine a well trained SWAT team could handle that.

[Decourcy]

You'll also be shocked at how many Americans are law abiding people. Many will simply hand them over.

Umm. Nope.

[SeanM26]

I imagine a well trained SWAT team could handle that.

Right. I remember the Branch Davidians in Waco pretty well. How many children did thr government kill rying to seize their firearms?

[skuthorp]

Collateral damage Sean, just part of the casualties of the ongoing civil war combined with weapons of war being easily available. Statistically insignificant.

[SeanM26]

So you guys are not against gun violence if it is state sponsored against people you disagree with. Got it.

[Jimmy W]

I'll be your Huckleberry.

All gun control is unconstitutional. The founding fathers wanted the citizens to have access to the same armament the government does.

Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934.

An armed society is a polite society.

The founding fathers wanted a well trained militia. Not the right for every idiot to kill every one that he hated.

[SeanM26]

The militia was every able bodied man between the ages of 16 and 60. With equality being what it is today, everyone in this country is part of the militia.

And with over 100 million firearm owners carrying 400+ million guns, if they killed everyone they hated there would be no one left.

[skuthorp]

When everyone is presumed to be armed, and that is the case unsurprisingly, then such events are inevitable.
Re #57. The term 'loose cannons' comes to mind, said Militia was supposed to be well trained and regulated. What you have now is the modern version of a 1950's Hollywood 'Wild West' where everyone carries or is presumed too, or is considered by some stupid not to.

[gypsie]

11 incidents of shooting with 16 people shot over 2 days.

Sound like a typical american weekend? Yes, except it was Toronto. Toronto. In Canada. A country with fairly strict gun controls, certainly stronger than anything proposed in the US. American gun culture has begun to creep across the border.


243 shootings to July 28th of this year in the city of Toronto.

Therefore......too hard, do nothing?

Come on man, what are you trying to say? You clearly feel you have a point to make with all these supporting examples. But supporting what......? What's your point?

[SeanM26]

Gun control is racist.

[gypsie]

Gun control is racist.

That is funny.
That gave me a genuine laugh.

[skuthorp]

Getting desperate there Sean, bullets don't discriminate. Unless you are referring to the fact that the mass murderers have all been white?
You are a real piece of work.

[David G]

Gun control is racist.

And epoxy is CRAP!

And --

“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

[SeanM26]

You are a real piece of work.

Stop hitting on me. I'm married.

[Decourcy]

Therefore......too hard, do nothing?

Come on man, what are you trying to say? You clearly feel you have a point to make with all these supporting examples. But supporting what......? What's your point?

I have never said do nothing. I have always said do something effective. So far the best method on offer is the ammunition controls.

How many shootings in Sydney so far this year?
My point is that Toronto is as close as you'll see to a US city with gun controls in place. If you expect no shootings, you're fooling yourself. If you think people won't and don't have illegal guns, you're fooling yourself.

[skuthorp]

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...66&FORM=WRVORC

[sonofswen]

What you have now is the modern version of a 1950's Hollywood 'Wild West' where everyone carries or is presumed too, or is considered by some stupid not to.

I am old...but my grandson is 6. I don't want to live in "Wild West " America, but I will continue to vote, speak and work to try to ban on all guns for his sake.

[gypsie]

I have never said do nothing. I have always said do something effective. So far the best method on offer is the ammunition controls.

How many shootings in Sydney so far this year?
My point is that Toronto is as close as you'll see to a US city with gun controls in place. If you expect no shootings, you're fooling yourself. If you think people won't and don't have illegal guns, you're fooling yourself.

No, no expectation for no shootings, just the expectation that the number of mass shootings could look more like every where else.
Is a gun without bullets an armament? If you have the right to carry arms - is it not implicit that it have bullets?

It could support a ban on certain guns - how can you produce, or sell bullets, for an illegal weapon?
In the end its just a furfy, another way of looking at the problem, seeing the solution and then avoiding it.

[Joe (SoCal)]

This kinda did it for me today when I posted this on facebook WITHOUT the black out.

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Kinda lost a lot of friends and family over the last few years.

[skuthorp]

I am old...but my grandson is 6. I don't want to live in "Wild West " America, but I will continue to vote, speak and work to try to ban on all guns for his sake.

And that's the rub sonofswen, along with climate change and a possible war we are not doing your children's, and grandchildren's generations any favours at all. Secure in the knowledge we'll all be dead anyhow we do not, it seems, care.