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    The dysfunction continues to spread --

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    Jul 16, 2019 by Zachary FreimanThe city of Mount Vernon, Ill., recently issued an extraordinarily strange and highly problematic proclamation. In a statement signed by the mayor, the city announced June 20, 2019, to be a day to “recognize God in our City.” Further, Mount Vernon took the step of officially recognizing “the biblical five-fold ministry of apostles, prophets, teachers, pastors, and evangelists.”

    Beyond the plain violation of the First Amendment’s protection against government-established religion, why, you may ask, would the local government even feel the need to proclaim a day of godly recognition in a state that is over 70 percent practicing Christian? The recognition day is crucial to the community, said Mayor John Lewis (not to be confused with the current member of Congress and civil rights icon), in order to “renounce the spiritual attacks over [the] city.” It is unclear from the statement what on earth he is talking about.

    Although the proclamation’s intent is, without doubt, to take a sledgehammer to the separation of church and state mandated by the Constitution, the mayor felt the need to spell it out so no person could misinterpret the city’s goal. “Mount Vernon, Illinois stands with the church,” is the opening sentence to the document under which Lewis penned his signature. In other words, the city unilaterally decided to discard the separation of church and state in favor of the mayor’s preferred vision of a Christian theocracy.

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    I think maybe they believe their own BS propaganda………………. Or maybe the Mayor just wants to be elected again…….

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    ACLU lawsuit in five, four, three...
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    As a mere 'proclamation', I assume it has no legal standing and is nothing more then blather. But, it is troubling.
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    I would assume the legal department would have said something about the constitution?
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    June 20, 2019, to be a day to “recognize God in our City.”
    So, did anyone actually notice anything different happening on June 20th?
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    Check the weather report - did a thunderstorm, perhaps, roll through the city ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    As a mere 'proclamation', I assume it has no legal standing and is nothing more then blather. But, it is troubling.
    Politics, re-election…….

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post

    “recognize God in our City.”

    There he goes! GET THE BURSTED!!!!!
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    Sadly, there's not as much separation was we'd like to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Sadly, there's not as much separation was we'd like to think.
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    I'm slightly reeling from the statement in the OP that 70 % of a town's population are practising Christians.Maybe because I live where the figure is well below 1% and we have dozens of disused churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
    I'm slightly reeling from the statement in the OP that 70 % of a town's population are practising Christians.Maybe because I live where the figure is well below 1% and we have dozens of disused churches.
    Perhaps they are called practising Christians because they have not yet got it right?
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    I'm sure that the "practicing Christians" in Mt. Vernon Ill who support that decision, or at least the mayor, come from the same line of practicing Christians that once told me I was not a Christian. What she meant was that I am not a practicing fundamentalist and to that I will certainly admit.

    I have a friend, an atheist, who used to get beat up regularly on the way home from school by this sort of practicing Christians in his class. He made the mistake of being WAY smarter than them and reminding them of it regularly.

    These are not my kind of Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post

    I have a friend, an atheist, who used to get beat up regularly on the way home from school by this sort of practicing Christians in his class. He made the mistake of being WAY smarter than them and reminding them of it regularly.

    These are not my kind of Christians.
    Xtians, the most worst kind of Christ's supposed followers. A friend of mine married one, they are still married 30 years later, so they are doing something right. I was told by her that I was going to hell because I did not go to church. It didn't matter how good a person I was, how much I did to help people, or how much I gave to charity, I had to go to church to be saved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    Xtians, the most worst kind of Christ's supposed followers. A friend of mine married one, they are still married 30 years later, so they are doing something right. I was told by her that I was going to hell because I did not go to church. It didn't matter how good a person I was, how much I did to help people, or how much I gave to charity, I had to go to church to be saved
    So, that is an hour or so one day a week. What was she like the other 100 odd hours a week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    So, that is an hour or so one day a week. What was she like the other 100 odd hours a week?
    Honestly, she was a pretty nice person. While I found her belief system suspect, a lot of Christians out there today could have looked up to how she lived her life. I just did not like being told that I had to go to church to be saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    Honestly, she was a pretty nice person. While I found her belief system suspect, a lot of Christians out there today could have looked up to how she lived her life. I just did not like being told that I had to go to church to be saved.
    There were a couple of "real" Christians amongst my colleagues. One of them stated that you have to practice the religion, so yes, church going is part of being Christian. However there are a lot of total aerosols that can be found in a pew every Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    There were a couple of "real" Christians amongst my colleagues. One of them stated that you have to practice the religion, so yes, church going is part of being Christian. However there are a lot of total aerosols that can be found in a pew every Sunday.
    Um, like paying an insurance premium? Like buying indulgences?
    So god is a businessman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Um, like paying an insurance premium? Like buying indulgences?
    So god is a businessman?
    You are so 15th century.
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