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    It is 40 years since I took Peerie Maa on. She was in a pretty ropey state, many of the planks were split and had been repaiers in the Shetlands by their traditional method of clenching a doubler over the split. She was amateur built with too much wood taken off when hemming home the laps, so there were some cracked lands, and huge tapering gaps. Here shear strakes and inwires were rotten as were her frames and she had rusted out galvo nails fastening her mid line.
    Unfortunately there were so many split planks that to repair her properly would have required a total rebuild on the old backbone, so I spliced in new wood to repair the worst of the crippled lands, replaced the iron ith copper bolts and renewed shear strakes and frames.

    So now it is time to overhaul her again. It has been such a dry summer that some of the splits have widened, and the old boatinatube has lost its elasticity and grip on the wood.

    After cleaning out the splits and gaps and preparing splines.
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    A badly split land. This had been repaired previously with a glued in spline. I will replace the missing piece of spline, refasten clear of the crack, and reinforce by edge nailing into the plank.
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    And an indication of how much she has dried out, a gap between the forefoot and keel. As she is dry sailed, this will be filled with something soft and squidgy, as it is unlikely to take upo any time soon.
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    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Peerie Maa, 40 years on.

    Splits to be splined from inboard.

    Split garboard
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    Splits running out from under old patches
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    Nails driven out from split land to be refastened after the glue has set.
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    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    More to come when the glue is hard, and I have cleaned off and sanded ready for primer.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Nice to see some details on Peerie Maa Nick. Any photos of her on the water? (I imagine that you have probably posted some in the past but I have not seen any).
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    A very beautiful boat......but honestly she looks like it would be time for a few new planks. 40 years is pretty much the expected lifespan of a boat lie her so no wonder she needs some repairs.

    Take good care of that wonderful boat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Nice to see some details on Peerie Maa Nick. Any photos of her on the water? (I imagine that you have probably posted some in the past but I have not seen any).
    None of her sailing, just one or two along side or at anchor.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Nice to see some details on Peerie Maa Nick. Any photos of her on the water? (I imagine that you have probably posted some in the past but I have not seen any).
    That's exactly what I was going to say. I know it's enormously difficult to get pictures of your own boat sailing, but you must have some.

    Edited ^^^^^^^^^^ I'm really surprised. 40 years and no pictures.

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    That's a notch above my skill set Nick. I do not understand clinker at all.
    But I do get keeping a vessel forever and hanging onto her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heimlaga View Post
    A very beautiful boat......but honestly she looks like it would be time for a few new planks. 40 years is pretty much the expected lifespan of a boat lie her so no wonder she needs some repairs.

    Take good care of that wonderful boat!
    Yes, she was more than 20 years old when I took her on, her sails pre-dated 1956. I suspect that she had been used as a rowing whilly before being rigged for sail, possibly pushing her back to before the outbreak of WWII. As I said, start taking planks out, and there will be no Peerie Maa left.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I can't wait to see and hear more! Good on you Nick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    That's a notch above my skill set Nick. I do not understand clinker at all.
    But I do get keeping a vessel forever and hanging onto her.
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    Nah, if you can hang a garboard plank, clinker is easy. You just need lots of long reach boat gripes, but they are asy to make on a band saw.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    That's a notch above my skill set Nick. I do not understand clinker at all.
    But I do get keeping a vessel forever and hanging onto her.
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    + 1 from me and subscribed !
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    Looks a bit like a little boat for sale here locally, which I went and laid eyes on the other day for a fellow forumite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    That's exactly what I was going to say. I know it's enormously difficult to get pictures of your own boat sailing, but you must have some.

    Edited ^^^^^^^^^^ I'm really surprised. 40 years and no pictures.
    OK some thread drift,
    At a Brest IFOS
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    As a stand pushing the Old Gaffers Association,
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    And at anchor at an OGA meeting.
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    And that is all that I have.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    By "old gaffers" you mean the boats, yes?

    Thanks for humoring us with a little thread drift. Peerie Maa is a great looking boat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    By "old gaffers" you mean the boats, yes?
    Both. The OGA is an association for keeping interest in rigs that have throat cringles alive. Many of the members are aged gaffers.
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    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Peerie Maa, 40 years on.

    Is there not a thought of pulling some of they cracks together with dutchmen/butterflies?
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    Beauty Nick. She's a lucky boat to have a good steward.

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    Bets of luck with the repairs Nick - I wouldn't know where to start with those cracks.
    Will be happily watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plyboy View Post
    Is there not a thought of pulling some of they cracks together with dutchmen/butterflies?
    No need, most of them have doublers clenched on the inside, most are only about 1/8" wide.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Seeing your pics is such a breath of fresh air after having my boat thinking epoxy saturated for so long. Your boat is full of character and life in a way I could never hope to experience with my epoxy boats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    Seeing your pics is such a breath of fresh air after having my boat thinking epoxy saturated for so long. Your boat is full of character and life in a way I could never hope to experience with my epoxy boats.
    Hopefully, some thickened epoxy glue will get rid of most of the "leaking like a sieve" character that she has now.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Yes, she was more than 20 years old when I took her on, her sails pre-dated 1956. I suspect that she had been used as a rowing whilly before being rigged for sail, possibly pushing her back to before the outbreak of WWII. As I said, start taking planks out, and there will be no Peerie Maa left.
    The Forum discussed this issue recently and arrived at the conclusion that when repairs were implemented the boat was still the "original" i.e. THE Victory??

    I tend to agree with comment #5

    I lean toward the opening comments here too http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...sign&p=5289930

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    We are all constantly in a state of replacement/repair. New cells added as old die off, yet I certainly still feel like "me" (OK...not like the "me" of fifty years ago, but who does, eh?). Replace the planks secure in the knowledge that you're just countering normal organic entropy and enjoy Peerie Maa for another lifespan

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    Hugh is right - no one has the cells they were born with - but you are still you.

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    "Peerie Maa" is lucky to have you as her custodian Nick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh MacD View Post
    We are all constantly in a state of replacement/repair. New cells added as old die off, yet I certainly still feel like "me" (OK...not like the "me" of fifty years ago, but who does, eh?). Replace the planks secure in the knowledge that you're just countering normal organic entropy and enjoy Peerie Maa for another lifespan
    Quote Originally Posted by Schooner36 View Post
    Hugh is right - no one has the cells they were born with - but you are still you.
    She has 8 strakes a side, as I said the shear strakes are new.
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    I could have taken her out of service every 5 years to replace a run of plank, and it would have been done. But I chose to use her and pursue other activities instead.
    She has held together with those repairs put in more than 40 years ago before I took her on, so rather than taking a month or so dismantling her and replacing those planks, I'll go with "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Progress report.
    The squeeze out has been scraped off and sanded, unfortunately I have only one decent photo to show for it.
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    There were other piccies, but too shakey and blurred to put up on here.

    The bare wood has now been spot primed. Tomorrow the open lands will be fillid with flexible claggum, in this case Arbokol polysulphide. Whilst that skins over on the inside of the hull, I'll sand all of the outside ready for the next spot prime, followed by undercoat and spot topcoat.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    She has 8 strakes a side, as I said the shear strakes are new.
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    I could have taken her out of service every 5 years to replace a run of plank, and it would have been done. But I chose to use her and pursue other activities instead.
    She has held together with those repairs put in more than 40 years ago before I took her on, so rather than taking a month or so dismantling her and replacing those planks, I'll go with "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
    I know. I already know.

    Still.

    Iíd LOVE to have one like her, but in ply lapstrake.

    In this climate, real boats just donít live long, happy lives.

    Of course, I could always move and be right near the beach...

    She is such a pretty boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    I know. I already know.

    Still.

    Iíd LOVE to have one like her, but in ply lapstrake.

    In this climate, real boats just donít live long, happy lives.

    Of course, I could always move and be right near the beach...

    She is such a pretty boat.

    Peace,
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    Well, the St Ayles skiffs at 22' are clinker ply, so it can be done. This plan is of a boat very similar to Peerie Maa.
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    https://shetlandboat.wordpress.com/#jp-carousel-73181
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Well, the St Ayles skiffs at 22' are clinker ply, so it can be done. This plan is of a boat very similar to Peerie Maa.
    a1-001.jpga1-002.jpg
    https://shetlandboat.wordpress.com/#jp-carousel-73181
    I don’t need more than a few lines and numbers to build a boat, so that’s not what worries me.

    I will likely never have need to build and own such, anyway.

    Rowing and paddling are the opportunities I have most, anyway.

    Still, should I ever find myself forced to live near a shore, such a model as Peerie Maa would be nice to own and use, I should think.

    Peace,
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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    I don’t need more than a few lines and numbers to build a boat, so that’s not what worries me.

    I will likely never have need to build and own such, anyway.

    Rowing and paddling are the opportunities I have most, anyway.

    Still, should I ever find myself forced to live near a shore, such a model as Peerie Maa would be nice to own and use, I should think.

    Peace,
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    I know that you are already well endowed in the boat department.

    However a Shetland model would make an ideal boat for taking a family for a pick-nick on that lake near you.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippie View Post
    Can we come back onto an even keel so I can ask "what are these "splines" to which you refer. I have used them to add strength to a mitred corner for instance, but cannot see how the can be of use in repairs being mentioned?
    The split in this plank has been opened out to a constant width to take a spline glued in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fredostli View Post
    Now I have startet the work in fixing the cracks. I use some handtools like knife, saw and rasp, to make an even cut in the wood for the spline. On the picture you see the wood in the crack and it seems to be in good shape. It is still too cold for epoxy, so I must glue it later.

    The splits I have splined do not suit that method, so I have cleaned the edges of the splits back to clean wood and planed the splines to fit the cracks. As they were narrow the splines bent around the curves in the splits.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I have tried to edit the last remark re the cynical remark on repairs, but it isn't responding sorry.
    Never does for some reason.

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