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    Default Free speech?

    Apparently, anything written in opposition to Trump is NOT free speech, but dangerous... according to Trump:

    "To me free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposefully write bad. To me thatís very dangerous speech and you become angry at it. But thatís not free speech."

    ó President Trump, quoted by CNN.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    Default Re: Free speech?

    His pal Vlad could give him tips on how to go about things.

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    Default Re: Free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    His pal Vlad could give him tips on how to go about things.
    The journalists who just get jailed are the lucky ones.

    What are you doing about it?




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    My understanding has always been "objective' or 'offensive' speech is protected. You have the right to say something that might offend me.

    Fraud, Libel, slander, inciting a riot, are things NOT covered by free speech. All are illegal, unless are for political gain. I know I'm the old 'broken record', but lying for political gain seems to fall squarely within the definition of 'fraud', and is no different, IMO, than a car dealer turning back an odometer.

    People in office, running for office, or working for either should be required to tell the truth. It would be a better country.
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    That may be the single most un-american thing I've ever heard a US president say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    That may be the single most un-american thing I've ever heard a US president say.
    Jesus emmeff Keith!! Stopit. Stopit RIGHT NOW!!

    You know they only regard such comments as a challenge to their perfidy.
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    Oh, I'm sure he'll surpass it soon. The guy has incredible abilities. (Source for article)

    President Trump Says Only Trump Supporters Deserve Free Speech
    By Jonathan Chait

    President Trump held a confab at the White House Thursday to promote his Orwellian notion of “free speech” online. It confirmed yet again the president’s implacable hostility to basic liberal freedoms.

    Trump has repeatedly accused Facebook, Google, and Twitter of carrying out a secret agenda against him and his supporters, by hiding the president’s tweets and covertly banning his supporters. Trump presented his position as a defense of free speech against some secretive form of censorship, and warned, “I’m directing my administration to explore all regulatory and legislative solutions to protect free speech and the free speech rights of all Americans.”

    The simplest and clearest notion of free speech, as most scholars and courts have understood the concept, is that it doesn’t matter if Trump’s charges are true. The government has no business interfering with the expression of ideas by individuals or companies. Some media platforms use partisan or ideological standards to screen their speech (Fox News), while others have relatively neutral standards (Facebook), and others have no content standards at all (public spaces where people hold political demonstrations). By this logic, social-media companies can screen out anybody they want, and if some political faction doesn’t like it, it can leave and form its own social-media channels.

    On the other hand, one might argue that Twitter, Facebook, and Google have attained some monopolistic power that negates this argument. If there’s no realistic way to challenge their reach or to create viable competitors, then the “marketplace of ideas” might not apply. This would be a valid argument for rooting out whether social-media companies are engaged in some form of covert bias.

    To be clear, Trump has produced no evidence whatsoever for this charge. I am merely describing a hypothetical argument that might support his position if his rather wild accusations were borne out. But it turns out Trump cannot even defend this position, either. At the very same forum, he dismissed the free-speech rights of independent media. “To me free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposely write bad,” he insisted. “To me that’s very dangerous speech, and you become angry at it. But that’s not free speech.”

    This is one of those statements that would be shocking if made by any normal president but is almost banal with Trump. He barely disguises his admiration for dictators and their freedom to murder journalists who displease them. While his own powers of suppression are far weaker, Trump is happy to use government authority to punish independent media (like CNN and the Washington Post, whose owners he has punished with unfavorable regulatory actions) and even individuals. (Trump has boasted that he personally enforced the NFL blacklist of Colin Kaepernick for the offense of kneeling during the national anthem.)

    Trump’s invocation of “free speech” is consistent: His entire goal is to promote supportive views and suppress hostile ones. And the willingness of virtually the entire conservative movement to support or tolerate his cynical conscription of free speech to intimidate the media reveals how little it, too, cares about freedom.
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    There are people who believe this. The same people believe that AObama was the worst president ever, because the right wing "news" told them so
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