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    I seem to recall Christian's are supposed to live by it. It was simple: DO ONTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO ONTO YOU

    Today, Christians tell us this is a Christian nation, and they seem to be running it. Strange they can't follow their own rules.
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    No one does Cognitive Dissonance like reds.
    The best statement I've seen from this latest carnage came from a student who lived through it -

    "My generation will not allow this to continue!"

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    This seems to be today's conservative mantra:

    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
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    I've come to believe that it's a failure of empathy, which is not at all limited to christians or any other group but has come to affect our society in general.

    In order to follow the Golden Rule, one first must be able to imagine oneself in the other's place, to see things from the other's perspective or circumstance. This has become tragically uncommon.
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    can i ask a question about fundamentalism and homosexuality in general?

    what's the threat that homosexuals pose?

    i've never been able to figure this one out
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    Paul, neither have I, and I grew up in a Presbyterian home with a Father who had a Doctorate's Degree in Theology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    can i ask a question about fundamentalism and homosexuality in general?

    what's the threat that homosexuals pose?

    i've never been able to figure this one out
    Oh, I'm a threat baby! I'm a threat!

    eerrrr, you know..... I might make you turn gay!
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    I have notised that conservative fundamentalism seems to have taken off as a religion on it's own.

    I just cannot make out the difference between the conservative fundamentalists who pretend to be either chistians or muslims or jews or hindus.
    Hence I rekon they must be infiltrators who deep inside have a confession of their own and have choosen to infiltrate one religion or another just for political reasons.

    So....... consequently I think it would be time for the untraconservative right wing chistians to stand up for their true faith...... and join al Quaida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKIP KILPATRICK View Post
    Oh, I'm a threat baby! I'm a threat!

    eerrrr, you know..... I might make you turn gay!
    Is there a switch somewhere?

    I always thought we were just hardwired....
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    To be honest, it is not just fundamentalists. There are many main line Christians who are similarly conflicted.
    I once knew a defrocked RC Priest who, when suitably lubricated would expound hilariously about church doctrine colliding with real people.....particularly with regards to sex. With a pretty good Italian accent he would interject "you no playa da game....you no maka da rules" Of course we know now that many of them were 'playing da game', and very often with folks that were similarly equipped.

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    My biggest pet peeve is folks who use their "religion" as a cudgel to make other people conform with their "beliefs" even if the other people don't share those folks' "beliefs". These folks also use their "religious beliefs" to discriminate against others. There are _many_ examples of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilberj View Post
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    I once knew a defrocked RC Priest who, when suitably lubricated would expound hilariously about church doctrine colliding with real people.....particularly with regards to sex. With a pretty good Italian accent he would interject "you no playa da game....you no maka da rules" ....
    There is a spectacular multi-layered version of this going on between Northern Ireland and Westminster this week - with a deadline in October...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48924695
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKIP KILPATRICK View Post
    Oh, I'm a threat baby! I'm a threat!

    eerrrr, you know..... I might make you turn gay!
    I thought you would just get glitter all over us .

    What I find amazing, I work with a lot of Hispanic folks. Most of them are very conservative and everything the Republican Party pays lip service to. They are very family oriented, hard working, church going, and believe in community.. yet the reds have done everything they can to disenfranchise them. If they actively embraced our brothers and sisters from south of the border, they would be in power forever.
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    The golden rule went out when the Golden Shower got elected to the presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    I seem to recall Christians are supposed to live by it. It was simple: DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO ONTO YOU

    Today, Christians tell us this is a Christian nation, and they seem to be running it. Strange they can't follow their own rules.
    You misunderstand the phrase.

    The phrase is intended as a warning. Your enemies need to treat you well or you will destroy them. On the other had you may destroy your enemies regardless. The phrase never applies to those who speak it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    You misunderstand the phrase.

    The phrase is intended as a warning. Your enemies need to treat you well or you will destroy them. On the other had you may destroy your enemies regardless. The phrase never applies to those who speak it.
    I've never heard this interpretation of this famous saying. Where did you learn this?

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    same here.. where did this interpretation come from? It might also explain a lot
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    itís the modern red interpretation

    goes along with, Ēi gots minesĒ
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilberj View Post
    I once knew a defrocked RC Priest who, when suitably lubricated would expound hilariously about church doctrine colliding with real people.....particularly with regards to sex. With a pretty good Italian accent he would interject "you no playa da game....you no maka da rules" Of course we know now that many of them were 'playing da game', and very often with folks that were similarly equipped.
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    Confucius is often credited with the GR. The Golden Rule predates the Bible, and Jesus and isn't unique to Christianity or even Confucian belief for that matter. Almost every religion has something similar to say about this notion. Confucian thinking on the matter is as we generally understand it to be: don't do something to somebody else if you wouldn't like seeing it done to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    Confucius is often credited with the GR. The Golden Rule predates the Bible, and Jesus and isn't unique to Christianity or even Confucian belief for that matter. Almost every religion has something similar to say about this notion. Confucian thinking on the matter is as we generally understand it to be: don't do something to somebody else if you wouldn't like seeing it done to you.
    I think it's a nice rule. I wish more people would live by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    Confucius is often credited with the GR. The Golden Rule predates the Bible, and Jesus and isn't unique to Christianity or even Confucian belief for that matter. Almost every religion has something similar to say about this notion. Confucian thinking on the matter is as we generally understand it to be: don't do something to somebody else if you wouldn't like seeing it done to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    I think it's a nice rule. I wish more people would live by it.
    I think too many use TLT's interpretation
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    The whole Bible, and the Torah, and the Talmud, and Koran, are right there.

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    I'm with Pope Francis on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    I think too many use TLT's interpretation
    Yeah, but at least we have the satisfaction of knowing they are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    I'm with Pope Francis on this.
    I'm thinking he's with Confucius on this. Since I agree with Confucius, I'm with you and the Pope! This is exciting! Either I'm in august company or I am very confused.
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    Let's not get ahead of ourselves... it's only July. (But good company)
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    can i ask a question about fundamentalism and homosexuality in general?

    what's the threat that homosexuals pose?
    They can't be, " fruitful and multiply." They don't make baby fundies.

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    The GR - in a Neitzschian sense its the ultimate tool in the 'downtrodden' playbook. It's the manifesto for the slaves revolt captured in a line.
    It's simplicity is a thing of beauty.
    It is almost impossible to pick holes in it.


    Though clearly not impossible to ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    can i ask a question about fundamentalism and homosexuality in general?

    what's the threat that homosexuals pose?

    i've never been able to figure this one out
    They needed bodies for the army they were taking land from everyone with, because their god said to. Gay people donít manufacture babies.

    And, thatís pretty much it.

    Same reason everyone would have been unaccepting of an unmarried Josh. An available bachelor like him, without a wife and kids, would have been anathema.

    Remember, the books being quoted were the books of the tribe of Israel. When Abram left, he started something, and growing a nation was one of the key items on the agenda.

    Modern folk cite the laws because they donít read the whole book.

    Peace,
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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    They needed bodies for the army they were taking land from everyone with, because their god said to. Gay people don’t manufacture babies.

    And, that’s pretty much it.

    Same reason everyone would have been unaccepting of an unmarried Josh. An available bachelor like him, without a wife and kids, would have been anathema.

    Remember, the books being quoted were the books of the tribe of Israel. When Abram left, he started something, and growing a nation was one of the key items on the agenda.

    Modern folk cite the laws because they don’t read the whole book.

    Peace,
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    My view is a bit different. I think religious zealots cannot admit God made a mistake, so being gay MUST be a choice. If one were born that way, in their minds, God would have made a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    My view is a bit different. I think religious zealots cannot admit God made a mistake, so being gay MUST be a choice. If one were born that way, in their minds, God would have made a mistake.
    That’s not my view.

    I am a student of religions and cultures. The laws of the Old Testament were all about preserving, and growing, the Tribe. Keep everyone healthy, in line, and making more soldiers.

    Christianity didn’t even become a standardized religion until Nicaea, and then it was the Christian Killers who made up the rules, to appeal the the entirety of the known world. A new, Universal Church...

    Peace,
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    ETA Zealouts, for example, were a sect of Judaism, of which the Sicarii were a branch. The Iscariots.

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