They hanged Mussolini from a lamp post...

[David G]

What a long strange trip it's been...

[Osborne Russell]

Like the various highway patrol organizations importantly called "State Police", also largely federally controlled.

Controlled how?

In the constitutional sense, Keith Wilson is Minnesota's militia. When your governor calls up men at arms to defend your sanctuary cities from President Trump's tanks, you will be exercising the right to bear arms (your state's right) as we understood it in the 1960's and 1970's...

If it's my right, I can choose not to exercise it. I can tell the Prez and the state to F off. If it's my right to arm myself, it's my right to not arm myself.

Seems like an odd conception of a "real militia"

[S.V. Airlie]

Controlled how?



If it's my right, I can choose not to exercise it. I can tell the Prez and the state to F off. If it's my right to arm myself, it's my right to not arm myself.

Seems like an odd conception of a "real militia"

So what militia are you attached to, the kkk, the Bundy group, the White Neo Nazi crowd. what?

[Dave Wright]

Intresting take on theology, God uses lighting to knock off people?..

And here I almost had Keith and Tom converted. Smile.

I heard it straight from at least a half dozen Republican religious authorities (Pat Robertson, Hal Lindsay, Charles Colson, John McTernan, Franklin Graham, Buster Wilson, - and so many more!) that God punishes sinners (you know, gays, abortion supporters, etc.) with major disasters like hurricanes.

So, learning and taking my cue from these esteemed religious Republicans, I simply have to wonder. How come this vengeful god doesn't have one little lightning bolt to strike down just one confirmed liar, cheat, swindler, rapist, pedophile, sodomizing, old man? Is this too much to expect. Heck what's one lightning bolt compared to a whole hurricane?

[John of Phoenix]

I heard it straight from at least a half dozen Republican religious authorities (Pat Robertson, Hal Lindsay, Charles Colson, John McTernan, Franklin Graham, Buster Wilson, - and so many more!) that God punishes sinners (you know, gays, abortion supporters, etc.) with major disasters like hurricanes.

So, learning and taking my cue from these esteemed religious Republicans, I simply have to wonder. How come this vengeful god doesn't have one little lightning bolt to strike down just one confirmed liar, cheat, swindler, rapist, pedophile, sodomizing, old man? Is this too much to expect. Heck what's one lightning bolt compared to a whole hurricane?

It's almost enough to make a person question the whole "religion thing" init?

[Osborne Russell]

So what militia are you attached to, the kkk, the Bundy group, the White Neo Nazi crowd. what?

I am the militia, though I refuse to be armed or to report when commanded. That's the real militia. The bulwark of liberty.

I think maybe what he means is that people can choose to put together a militia. To me it's forming a gang and calling it a militia, like the term carried some legal or moral force. Sorry if I'm slow to salute. Like you say . . . the last bunch that came through here called themselves the militia also. Both of you can't be right.

[S.V. Airlie]

The bulwark of Anarchy not liberty. But, I'm sure considering your tunnel vision and mindset you think you're right.

[Landrith]

I am the militia, though I refuse to be armed or to report when commanded. That's the real militia. The bulwark of liberty.

I think maybe what he means is that people can choose to put together a militia. To me it's forming a gang and calling it a militia, like the term carried some legal or moral force. Sorry if I'm slow to salute. Like you say . . . the last bunch that came through here called themselves the militia also. Both of you can't be right.

SV Airlie was beating on me for posts conforming to SV Airlie's beliefs. Then I got jumped by Keith. I don't even try to fight most Bilge poster's versions of reality. I usually lose when I try. Especially if it involves numbers not anecdotal info. The buzz word that caused the excitement was "militia". Before the OKC bombing, Clinton was rapidly losing what they called "Bubba's" or Joe 6-Pack. A lot of that resistance was showing up as antigovernment swing voters that had gone Republican under George HW Bush and went for the Bill Clinton more Centrist brand of Democrat, many of whom identified as a self-styled "state militia' and reviving the pre FDR state's rights conservative militias that had devolved into a forgotten almost "Death Squad" ill repute. When the Deep State threw out the first reports of who did OKC as "Mid Eastern Terrorists", the fall back scenario to Connie Chung, America's rising new anchorwoman as a favor to her anchor mate and longtime CIA asset Dan Rather and let him run with what they were going to make the official story "homegrown militia terrorists" , no one of the new self -tyled militia members nationwide wanted to admit they were in militias or go to meetings. It saved Clinton's reelection(and George HW Bush's evil criminal empire).

I posit that before the reaction to Bill Clinton's presidency, Americans had bought into the idea that the Modernist interpretation of the right to keep and bear arms as the right of the separate states in the union, and that individual gun ownership was a privilege subject to legislation and rules (exactly what SV Arlie believes). Just what the CIA wanted when they put William F. Buckley out on network media to counter the John Birch Society's influence over the Right.

[Landrith]

I am the militia, though I refuse to be armed or to report when commanded. That's the real militia. The bulwark of liberty.

I think maybe what he means is that people can choose to put together a militia. To me it's forming a gang and calling it a militia, like the term carried some legal or moral force. Sorry if I'm slow to salute. Like you say . . . the last bunch that came through here called themselves the militia also. Both of you can't be right.

The real gangs always work for Uncle Sam. Just like General Smedley Butler finally recognized in his War is a Racket speeches...

[Keith Wilson]

Oh my, here we go . . .

[Landrith]

Oh my, here we go . . .

What, you have a problem with General Butler, the guy that saved FDR from a coup?

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
From a speech (1933)"

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

or the Business Plot- Deep State version 1.0?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

[John of Phoenix]

Yes, AGAIN. I see you were prepared.

[Canoeyawl]

When the Deep State threw out the first reports of who did OKC as "Mid Eastern Terrorists"

And credibility just went flit, out the window...

[Landrith]

And credibility just went flit, out the window...

This is how the trick was played on the network media including CBS and ABC the day of the bombing:

“The memo suggests the ABC journalist reached out to a counterterrorism agent in New York City on his or her own the night of the bombing, in part because the information acquired suggested that “there were two other bombing incidents planned” soon at government offices in Houston and Los Angeles.
The journalist agreed to be interviewed by counterterrorism agents again the next day, the memo says, but refused to identify his or her source.
Nearly a year later, the network staffer was contacted by the FBI and agreed to divulge ABC’s source for the uncorroborated claim: a former CIA officer named Vincent Cannistraro, who was on contract to the network as a consultant, who, in turn, had gotten the information from a Saudi general.
During the 1996 re-interview, the ABC employee was questioned about the “source of questioned information” and “advised that the source was VINCENT CANNISTRARO, former Counter-Terrorism Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA),” the memo stated.”
ABC News Reporter Was An FBI Mole In 1990s: Report
The Center For Public Integrity

By John Solomon and Aaron Mehta
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abc-n...-mole_n_844974

How Dan Rather was able to do in Connie Chung his upstart competition after OKC:

“He also was upset when Chung alone got the call to cover the Oklahoma City bombing--and that decision triggered criticism both inside and outside the network that led to her ouster. TV critics compared her hard-news reporting skills unfavorably to Rather's, which was painful coming on top of the sagging ratings.
"The morale here in the past few months and weeks has been terrible," one CBS staffer said. "Even when we had good reporting out of Oklahoma City, all anybody focused on was why Connie was there."
Rather said it was the Oklahoma City decision that caused him to tell CBS executives that he could not continue on the same basis and that changes needed to be made in the newscast.”
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...997-story.html

How Timmothy McVeigh was being coached:

“The fact that McVeigh was indeed accepted into Special Forces and went on the work for the government during the time leading up to the bombing is supported not only by his previous employers and military records, but by the claims of Terry Nichols, convicted co conspirator, McVeigh’s younger sister, and claims of McVeigh himself. Nichols, in 2006, stated that that in November 1992 McVeigh told him he had been recruited by the Army for an undercover mission. This is also the exact time, according to other defense records which reveal that McVeigh was suddenly able to pay off all of his credit card bills after he had accumulated an enormous debt while gambling on the Buffalo Bills. McVeigh also advised his defense team that he had been issued a DOD issued credit card in the years prior to the bombing.

Another memo dated December of 1995, states that McVeigh, who joined the National Guard in Upstate New York, after his return from the Gulf War and alleged Special Forces “flunk out,” became highly agitated and upset when his defense confronted him with some disturbing information. When McVeigh was asked by his lawyers what exactly his job had been while in the National Guard, McVeigh, the model solider, stated he did not remember, something which would have been highly uncharacteristic of him. His lawyers then confronted and questioned him as to why he told his first lawyer, immediately after the bombing, that he had been “operating within the confines of the United States Government” when he bombed the Murrah building. McVeigh had confided to his first lawyer that he had been recruited by the government while serving in the National Guard and that his job was to “search for neo-Nazis and other problem troops within the Guard,” which further corroborate D’s claims.”

A Guilty Agent: The Shadowy Role of Timothy McVeigh
https://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.co...ole-of-timothy

[webishop14]

I apologize to the Bilge and the Woodenboat Forum as a whole for posting my really bad taste OP. I do generally try to rein myself in a little better than that.